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[–] 235 points 1 week ago (16 children)

She's AIPACS tool. She calls herself a "nonjewish zionist". They hate for no reason whatsoever, based on ethnicity.

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  • [–] 88 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    The parties reaction to this will be telling. Anything less than expulsion from the party is unacceptable. Her being the neoliberal establishment pick, even if she was clearly defeated. Makes me wonder if they're just going to try to burn it all down on the way out.

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  • [–] [S] 137 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    “Congresswoman Stevens is not a current member of the Michigan Democratic Party, nor will she be in the future,” Michigan Democratic Party Chair Curtis Hertel wrote on X Sunday.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I've never heard of this woman. Is she still running to maintain her seat in this election?

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  • [–] 24 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Haley Stevens is in the House. She did not run for re-election, choosing instead to run for the MI senate seat. She lost that primary to El-Sayed.

    She will still be in Congress from now until the new one is seated in January. After that, she has no known job and is not running for anything at the moment.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    The bar is so low that I'm impressed Chuck even condemned it. I hope they at least censure her.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Wait, he did? That's low key shocking! As someone who likes working with them, its shocking that he spoke out against supporting them. Low bar indeed, but damn.

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  • The DNC is an unfunded joke. There is an insurgent left wing coming up. This has all the makings of a dem civil war. Schumer and Jefferies are both AIPAC funded. I expect absolute and total shenanigans. Democrats will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

    Wait, she's not Jewish??

    I say this as a Jewish anti-zionist: what the actual fuck?? Like... I grew up indoctrinated into zionism and left when I got old enough to start paying attention to news. So... what's her damage?

    Maybe this sounds silly, but I have a lot of pity for Jewish liberal zionists. It's a cult. And I'm familiar with Christian Nationalist zionists (also a cult, but different one). I feel sympathy for people operating on childhood brainwashing.

    And I kind of get folks like Biden, who probably formed an opinion before '67.

    But what's her fucking deal? I can have grace for people who were born into this or are really old, but she just sounds like she learned that Israel is an apartheid state in college and said, 'Neato!'

    I am so much more disgusted with her now than I was when I assumed that she was a member of the tribe. ULGH.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Fellow Jewish anti Zionist here. The answer is easy… AIPAC money. She could be an apocalypse seeking Nat-C, but most likely just the cash.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    I don't buy it.

    You can find countless politicians -- most of the Democratic party -- who have learned how to support Israel in 2026: you promise in a closed door meeting to guarantee funding for Likud, never bring up Israel unprompted, and if asked, talk about how terrible Netanyahu's leadership has been for Jewish security. And then you launder the cash as hard as you can and hope no one notices.

    Most AIPAC candidates don't talk about Israel these days. AIPAC is well known for running ads on whatever topic seems most likely to hurt their critics without talking about Israel.

    I think Stevenson started from a place of being a pro-imperialist nat sec ghoul, but now is just having a public mental breakdown, tbh.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    By all accounts she’s not too bright AND being pressured by her Zionist fiancée to toe the party line.

    You’re absolutely right that AIPAC has become very unpopular in some circles and ‘smart’ democrats owned by them keep their mouths shut for the most part.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 week ago (14 children)

    The state party officials need to expel her from the party. Even if it would only have a symbolic effect they need to make clear that this is unacceptable for anyone who calls themselves a Democrat. If moderates ask progressives to "vote blue no matter who" and then turn around to endorse collaborators then they need to get the boot.

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  • [–] [S] 102 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    “Congresswoman Stevens is not a current member of the Michigan Democratic Party, nor will she be in the future,” Michigan Democratic Party Chair Curtis Hertel wrote on X Sunday.

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  • [–] 91 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    "Senate Democrats are united in our support for Abdul El-Sayed, because we know he will fight for the economic interests of working families in Michigan, unlike Mike Rogers, who is a tool of Donald Trump and billionaire donors," [Chuck Schumer] said.

    For once Schumer is 100% right.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    This coming from Schumer is honestly almost as shocking as Stevens choosing to completely burn her bridges with the Democratic Party.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Schumer says whatever toady thing he needs to to keep his job.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    My Chinese room theory of politics: I don't actually care whether anyone truly believes what they say. Words speak louder than thoughts and actions speak louder than words. As long as someone is useful as an implement to enacting progressive policy priorities, successful at shepherding legislation, and campaigns for the election of progressives, or can be strong-armed into doing the above three, I could not care less whether they actually believe in what they say.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago*

    At the margin, sincere belief is still better. Which is to say, Schumer should still be replaced with an actual progressive/leftist/socialist at the earliest opportunity, regardless of how he tries to pivot to act like one. I'll appreciate the cynical pivot in the interim, but that's as far as it goes.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    If moderates ask progressives to “vote blue no matter who”

    Worth saying that applies to the general only. I'm a progressive and I say: Vote progressive as far as you can. Always vote for the most progressive (or least regressive) candidate. In the general election, that's gonna be blue over red. In the primary, that's any progressive candidate. "Blue no matter who" is just expressing the pragmatic general rule of thumb. I haven't seen any exceptions to that - I've never seen a Republican that wasn't more regressive than an establishment Democrat option.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    Fun fact: in the US, political parties can’t expel anyone from their party. Anyone can choose to join any party at any time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    This is partially true. State Parties do own party affiliation on a ballot. Many states have codified party affiliations so you can only run as Hitler (D) if you have won the State Democratic Party Primary. But if you don't win the Primary, you can still appear on the Ballot, you just have to run as your own party, or (I) or whatever. You can certainly still call yourself a Democrat, or a Republican, or whatever, but how you will appear on the ballot won't be under the democrat ticket.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    But if you don’t win the Primary, you can still appear on the Ballot

    Yes, only one party member can proceed from the primary to the general. But that’s just the nature of the process. It doesn’t bestow the party any choice of candidates.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    For the primary the Party can choose to disqualify a candidate from being able to run in the primary, but obviously that has to be done before the primary, once that happens it's too late and there is no mechanism to remove a candidate once the general ballot has been certified.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Clearly the person we all knew she was.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 week ago (16 children)

    It is odd seeing someone do political self immolation for no reason at all. I'm starting to think Haley isn't the brightest bulb in the pack.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 week ago

    The reason is obvious. She is falling on the sword to save Israel. The last 2 years may have done irreparable damage to my view on Israel. I don’t think I will ever vote for a candidate who takes aipac money or supports Israel for the rest of my life.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago

    It's either money or blackmail. That's what it is for most of those out there making questionable decisions that go against what is right and good. There is lots of money and lots of blackmail currently floating around right now.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Do they have something on her? I've never seen something like this before.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    She has an abusive husband who berated her in public for disappointing "them."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Incredible. From what I understand, she's only been with this "fiancee" for 7 months, and this makes him seem more like a Handler than a fiancee. Is this a Mossad Honeypot situation?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    Not husband, fiancee, and they've not been together a full year yet. He says he's a democrat, but has donated to Republicans as well (Susan Collins just last year, to name one, and it was over 24k).

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  • [–] 42 points 1 week ago

    I thought this felt familiar and now I remember why. In the NYC mayor race, one Democratic candidate, Jessica Ramos, had the endorsement of the Working Families Party, but since she was struggling to gain traction she ended up endorsing Cuomo with the hopes of gaining a role in his potential administration. Everyone was equally shocked then and WFP immediately revoked their endorsement of her.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 week ago

    Good on them for taking a stand and following their conscience here. Anyone still working for her should be black listed from future Democrat campaigns and positions.

    Can't believe Stevens decided she wanted to go down in history for people to point at when they say some Democrats would rather lose elections than win by having a leftist, anti-Zionist win. Absolutely crazy she just went full mask off there.

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    So does the republican party have a load of sleeper agents in the democratic party that it activates when needed?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago

    It's not Republicans, it's Israel and it's both parties. Israel is worried because the progressive candidates have a real chance this election and are performing on not spending billions on Israel as well as health and wealth reform.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Is the Democratic Party fundamentally a right-wing party?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    Yes. The original meaning of left wing and right wing were the radical and conservative wings of the French parliament; the former being for liberalism, the later for monarchism. It has since kept its same meaning, progression or regression.

    The DNC's official party stances are objectively regression. Progression, at this stage of socioeconomic development for the US, would be socialism. Actually it'd just be social capitalism since we have the worst social safety net of all advanced economies in world history, but given the party's opposition to medicare for all, it cannot even manage that.

    The left wing starts at anti-capitalism in all places with established capitalist markets.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    No. It's not that she was a "secret republican" it's that there isn't a difference when it comes to supporting Israel, or being owned by a Capitalist. Sure maybe she doesn't think gay-people should be burned at the stake. But she is absolutely in support of public-private markets, which is the only thing that capitalists give a fuck about. No one is getting paid to be a bigot, but if they were, people like Steven's would absolutely be trying to get in on that.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Man I wish I lived in MI just so I could have had the opportunity to vote against this nasty little gremlin in the primary.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Fetterman 2.0 minus the stroke but double the Israel support.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    Seems like a lot of people in power or seeking power are there to make sure Israel continues to get American taxpayer money, endless weapons, legal immunity and the willingness to go to send American troops to die for Israel.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago

    Why are they shocked, she was always an Israeli slave

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  • [–] 41 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    I don't see any way this is a politically coherent move for her. She just burnt her bridges with Leftist Democrats and corporate Democrats. She doesn't have the look to be a talking head on conservative media. Michigan has early voting and many have already voted. It's not like Republicans will respect her, but they use her for the moment.

    I've seen some mentions of her Republican fiance effecting her, but she is a congressmen and has agency and ownership of her own endorsements. I am wondering if her mental stability is all there because I'm confused by her lack of coherency.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 week ago

    Agreed.

    Tactically, if she wanted him to lose she should've just stuck to what she was doing, which was supporting him in words while undermining and maintaining plausible deniability. Then if he loses, you can lament that there was just no saving a flawed candidate.

    Now if he wins, she's a loser twice over, and if he loses it's a phyric victory: she's the villain who lost Democrats the seat, and instead of proving his politics can't win in a swing state, the story is just that he got stabbed in the back by an ally.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago

    I don’t see any way this is a politically coherent move for her.

    By choosing to run for Senate, she isn't running for re-election in the House. So she's out in January either way. She's taking the AIPAC money she's been getting for years already, and almost surely a lobbying position in exchange for trying to sabotage El-Sayed.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    I don’t see any way this is a politically coherent move for her.

    The writing is on the wall. AIPAC is forever toxic for anyone with even a tiny amount of critical thinking skills. That only leaves the GOP and Zionist owned cable news shows as viable paid options.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Not corporate Dems. They will swing towards the money any which way it comes.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Schumer already said it was despicable. He is about as corporate dem as it gets. I would definitely say she burned those bridges.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    He will bend back the AIPAC direction the moment people stop looking. Haley will be welcomed back as prodigal daughter the moment she is endorsed by them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    Nah, she is now too visisble a liability and would be a bigger problem than any benefit.

    AIPAC will happily compensate her for her service, but will move on to less obviously controversial folks. They have no shortage of "cleaner" options, so they don't have to be especially loyal to any particular Congress figure. She can be an example of being treated well on the way out.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    I don't trust corporate dems anymore. They will literally give a peer permission to tank mildly progressive efforts and then performatively pretend to be upset by it.

    They are better than the fucking Nazis on the other side of the aisle but the Democratic leadership are showing themselves to be just as disingenuous.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    We need to replace all the liberal democrats in our government with left leaning/DSA.

    The people demand a party that will actually represent the working poor in this country, unapologetically, vehemently, with teeth, against corporations.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    In a country full of magatards? Gl hf

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    The people who are currently talking about voting for AOC to own the mainstream Republicans? The people who think Mamdani is a conservative because he talks about helping working people? It would be a mistake to think that MAGA is ideologically consistent.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    She is going to be an AIPAC lobbyist now

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Looking at how cash flow is routed between them, AIPAC is the largest donor of the both of them that I've found. Not that AIPAC wants to spend money, but if it buys loyalty, there's a possible connection to be found.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Justin German is 100% correct. So, Stevens was another POS Fetterman. Carry on El-Sayed and hopefully you win.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Fetterman got a stroke, that's completely different

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Fetterman was always a racist, zionist piece of shit, we just didn't want to see it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Ah mbad, I wasn't that tapped in back then

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago*

    I was, and people from his state saying he is a piece of shit, but probably better than the alternatives in the primary.

    There were a bunch of signals, like him setting his pfp to hammer and sickle that let us delude ourselves into believing he wasn't the same guy who chased down 2 black people with a shotgun because he thought they must be trying to rob houses and that his support of Israel even when AIPAC was funding his opponents in the primary was just because he didn't really know anything and we could push him left.

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