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[–] 397 points 1 week ago* (22 children)

According to Huffman, Reddit has grown to the point where personalization is increasingly necessary to help users find relevant communities and discussions.

More lies from Spez.

The change could also benefit Reddit’s advertising business by allowing it to serve more personalized ads

The actual reason.

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  • [–] 141 points 1 week ago* (6 children)

    spez wants a bubble algorithim to feed their users propaganda slop like facebook

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Yesterday I browsed "/r/all" for the first time in like 3 or more years (I stopped using reddit altogether a long time ago). Holy shit I felt like my brain would melt, there was so much ragebait and misinformation that asks for primal engagement. The links I opened that seemed interesting lead to nowhere and the comments were so fucking dumb. Despite all that I kept scrolling looking for that sweet hit, I must have spent at least an hour of my time that I threw away. Thank God I jumped ship when I saw the direction it was heading.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Same. I went to reddit yesterday and it of course served me racist trash.

    There are two subs for Sweden, one with 300k subscribers for normal people, and one with like 60k subscribers for terminally online fascists. The latter gets 10x exposure on the frontpage.

    Fuck reddit, spez and EA.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    The actual reasons are certainly numerous but also certainly zero of them are "helping users find relevant communities and discussions".

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    pretty much code words for "we need more fresh humans to login , because we just have bots running the site now"

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    Pushing people into echo chambers isn't even needed because people do that themselves. If you're gonna profile people, autosubscribe all the libs to r/guns and all the conservatives to r/gender theory. At best people will learn something; at worst we'll get a show.

    Also, fuck Spez and fuck surveillance capitalism.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    It's not entirely wrong, in that Reddit is so full of bots and junk that a sizeable chunk of the site is unusable. Any animal photo subreddit often has more bots than a farm.

    It's either personalise or have the deluge.

    Coincidentally, Reddit has just announced plans to shutter their RSS feeds, so if you were using those to personalise your feed, good luck.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Just because a login is required will not help with bots.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago*

    It does not, but you can block/unsubscribe from communities that have too many of them on the main feed, or block particular users from showing up, which can help with the repeats. That otherwise takes more logic on RSS, and isn't really possible on the website.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    that will not stop botting at all, bots already can make accounts very easily because they dont care how much gets banned if they can create more, they can automate it. but normal users cant do that, because they will get banned very quickly. what spez saying is a lie anyways.

    also reddits have shown to preference not to filter out most propaganda botting anyways.

    most users are lurking because they dont want to have account ban.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 week ago (1 child)
  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Reddit continues to be the biggest hurdle to Lemmy's growth; the average person doesn't care about how much private companies profit off of their personal data, so convincing them to leave the vastly bigger platform for Lemmy is a challenge.

    Completely ignoring Reddit and its potential user migration opportunities would be dooming the Threadiverse to not gaining any new users from the most likely place those users would be.

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    [–] 108 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    I gave up on reddit when they banned 3rd-party API access. I use Boost for Lemmy so it looks like reddit minus the karma whores, bots, and general shittiness.

    I suppose some reddit users might find the distributed nature of the fediverse too complicated, but honestly I'm not sure if those folks would be much of a benefit to us here.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I got permanently banned for reposting the Alex Peretti shooting to bring awareness to it, reddit was constantly removing posts that day. I had my account for 17 years. Then they also banned my alt account that I had for 16 years because of "ban avoidance" - the digital fingerprint they had for me was tied to both accounts apparently.

    Fuck reddit.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    onbording through apps is good enough that users might not even notice a difference, the main hurdle is understanding the interconnectivity of instances and them actually leaving their jail

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  • [–] 91 points 1 week ago (17 children)

    I guess I kind of understand why companies want you to be logged in to engage with their platform, as the user metrics are the main selling point to advertisers, but man do I really fucking hate it when a platform forces me to log in by preventing me from using their website. So much so, that I haven't made an account on Instagram or X or Facebook or whatever dumb social media platform specifically because I can't browse without signing up. Well, that, and also the greed, the lack of privacy, the tacit endorsement of fascism, et. cetera.

    No, I don't want to make an account.

    No, I don't want to download your app.

    No, I don't want to turn on notifications.

    Gah, fuck off with all this horseshit. The internet used to be fun. Now everything is a chore and nobody does anything unless they feel like they can make a profit off of it.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    No, I don’t want to make an account.

    No, I don’t want to download your app.

    This combo drives me up the fuckin wall.

    Obviously I think reddit is trash, but I can kind of understand other forums requiring a login (several of the small, private communities I'm a part of require them) but there is no good reason to push people to an app other than avarice.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It's extra frustrating because I created cosmetic filters for uBlock Origin that allow me to access individual Reddit posts (so I can still read Reddit posts that I find through a search engine) but not any of the feeds so that I can't waste time scrolling. I can't use those on the app.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    The big problem is most people say "Ugh, fine, I'll log in with Google," rather than you and I who say "Ugh, no."

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I don't have a problem with someone making a website for logged in users only. What sucks is making this open anonymous forum that was quite good for years and then locking it down once people are addicted to it. Well, this doesn't change much for me i deleted my reddit years ago and haven't been back at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    also the new UI for reddits very cumbersome, and very intrsuive and not very intuitive to use. you can use extensions to remove the ugly sidebars with random stuff on it, but now you are left with 2 giant empty white spaces in between the doom scroll feed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    only way they can even do this is how much users they already have and how entrenched those users are. Its insane how much people are willing to put up with to keep using the shitty services, just because they have used them for long time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    they apparently lost alot of actual users enough for reddit to become desperate to force logins. i think thats why Facebook did it too, gotta keep those boomers/genxers using it for thier right wing slop. certain health groups(describing thier own diseases) are sitll on fb, but i would not touch it.

    i saw a graph somewhere the recent traffic drop was from open AI not scraping anymore.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    The internet used to be fun. Now everything is a chore and nobody does anything unless they feel like they can make a profit off of it.

    I mean, that's capitalism. It was inevitable. A similar fate will befall Lemmy at some point, so enjoy it while you can.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    With all due respect to you and the user above as people, fuck the defeatist attitudes. We're going to make and keep this little part of the Internet fun, no matter what corporations say. I've had a great 3.5 years on Lemmy despite the occasional dramatic event. And I'm counting on myself and every one of us to continue to make it so.

    Entropy is also inevitable, but that doesn't mean we can't keep a small space of less entropy than average while we're here.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago*

    A similar fate will befall Lemmy at some point, so enjoy it while you can.

    press x to doubt.

    Seriously, there's a low chance for that.

    • lemmy is not a service but an open source software
    • public lemmy services are ran like a "public service", for the benefit of the public. an instance cannot just lock down its access to users without exiting the federation. and if it exits the federation, it will become worthless basically, as they'll lose all the external content. yes lemmy.ml and lemmy.world are too big, which is a problem, but I don't think they could pull it off easily either.
    • lemmy developers are loudly marxist, they oppose capitalism. so both the software itself, and the lemmy.ml instance are unlikely to change in the way you tell
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  • [–] 70 points 1 week ago* (8 children)

    Deleted my account. Lemmy is my internet home now

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Same. Got banned for using a single word (actually forgot what it haha), and deleted my account. Now that it's becoming login only, it's even better to kick my habit.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Got banned for telling a colonial apologist and nazi to fuck off.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    From the platform or a subreddit?

    "Fuck off" isn't against Reddit ToS.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (4 children)

    Platform. I appealed but they weren't having it. Reddit doesn't like people causing others of being nazi and colonial fucks.

    In one comment I called spez a nazi fuck. He removed that too.

    Dude was talking about how the Brits were actually really good for their colonies (how they brought culture and infrastructure there) and how the bengal famine was actually because of the locals themselves.

    London was apparently a benevolent european power.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    I've never heard of, let alone seen such a platform ban.

    I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm not aware of them banning for that kind of thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    It was repeated offense. I had got warnings before for insulating people's limited brain power before.

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  • [–] 184 points 1 week ago (38 children)

    Good! Finally the last holdover users will reconsider open source alternatives

    What we need now is for every modteam on Reddit who have an alternative on Lemmy, to actually advertise it. Now is the time to do so.

    A pinned post should do great to point people in the right direction

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  • [–] 91 points 1 week ago (14 children)

    It's what made me finally check out lemmy.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

    Welcome!

    Just remember Lemmy is only part of a larger network called the Fediverse. If you find you don't really like it, there are other alternatives like Mbin and PieFed. They're all pretty good I think, but Mbin is probably my personal favorite. There are also custom lemmy interfaces like old.lemmy.world, as well as lots of different mobile clients.

    All the different instances and platforms can tall talk to each other, so you can subscribe to communities you like from any of them, as long as they are connected (aka federated). So somebody on https://kbin.earth/ (an Mbin instance) could subscribe to !micromobility@lemmy.world (a community on a Lemmy instance) and post there, browse, etc. even though they're different websites.

    You can sign up for any instance you want and if you hate them all, you can even make your very own.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    This is a great breakdown.

    I’ll share I pretty much only signed up for lemmy.world because I looked up which one had the most users (not that it seems to matter with all the crossover).

    I wonder if there’s another instance I’d like more!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    I made accounts on a few different ones to check them all out but I started in kbin.social while it was still a thing (the admin had some health issues I heard, hope he's doing ok). Kbin was the predecessor to Mbin, which got picked up by some other devs thankfully.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Kbin.social was my first too, Ernest was a king and I hope he's doing well and thriving in life.

    Made a handful of alts when it became clear kbin was going away. Ended up using .zip as my main as I like their hands-off approach to moderating/defederation. We're federated with everyone except malicious/criminal instances by default. If you don't want to see things you need to block them yourself which I like a lot.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 week ago* (7 children)

    The advantage lemmy has is that unlike reddit, you can easily make a community of the same name, just on a different server in the case of mod disagreements.

    Its MUCH harder to powertrip on lemmy, both because the mod tools are ass, and spinning a new community isnt hard.

    Didn't like tenforward have tHe Exodus drama with some mod?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Its MUCH harder to powertrip on lemmy, both because the mod tools are ass, and spinning a new community isnt hard.

    Do Lemmy instances also have that "no brigading" rule of Reddit that only exists for mods?

    Because I think that rule contributed a lot to make mods more heavyhanded on their communities, even if they didn't intend to.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    unfortunately they dont, but its easier to block the whole instance. at least 2 instances crossbanned me, even if barely interacted with those.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Not having that rule might be better.

    The problem with that rule at Reddit, is that it only exists for the mods, not the users.

    So the misbehaving user will pick fights in a sub A, get banned, whine about it in another sub B talking shit of sub A, get banned as well for brigading. Then they go to a 3rd sub C and now actually brigades against subs A and B because their mods invent bullshit rules such as "brigading".

    The unaware users look at this mess and get confused because they can't recall "brigading" being something forbidden by the general Reddit rules. And while "brigading" is just mod slang for "you shouldn't incite fights between subs or users" (and anyone can figure it out by searching the word at Google, instead of whining that the mods just like to invent words), there is no rule against this either. Instead there is only a rule for the mods that they have to shut down any user attheir subs who do this.

    The consequence is that the unaware users sympathize with the misbehaving one and join their brigade, even if just to taunt the mods into banning them as well. I've seen this a lot of times there.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Much harder to powertrip you say? Have you looked in the modlogs and see how moderators ban users in multiple instances that is unrelated to the original instance? It's very reddit like.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    The fact you can look at the mod logs is already something you cant even compare to when using reddit. Youd be suprised how far reddit mods will go.

    The ban is also not worth as much as like i mentioned, communities are spread. There isnt always one version of a community of the same name, whereas clones of subreddits on reddit have an insignificant fraction of the traffic compared to a main one.

    When a moderator comes in and starts to affect a lot of people, it can cause a mass exodus to a sister community. That doesnt happen really on reddit, because the people left on reddit are slow to change their habits (the fact that most dont use alternatives shows so). The people who use lemmy have generally had the mindset that if you need to switch, then they will do so.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    In your first paragraph you hint at shadowbanning.

    You can't even shadowban people at all on Lemmy (as far as I know), while it's a go-to for unethical Reddit moderators; nothing can be done to stop them and most people don't even know it exists.

    I was shadowbanned from /r/tampa because I asked them to implement removal reasons (a feature that's existed on Reddit and takes five or ten minutes to set up). That upset /u/md28usmc and he shadowbanned me for it. Asking why I was shadowbanned led to them perma-banning me.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Hi, I'm part of the Community Team for Lemmy.World. We help with finding moderators, make sure communities are kept up, and make sure moderators follow the site rules.

    To some extent mods are mods. There will always be people who disagree, vehemently, and some people who resent any rules or moderation at all.

    I mention this because there are a couple things I've tried to do on our instance to address Reddit mistakes. First, I try to avoid having several large communities under the same mods. The mod who holds a grudge in !trees shouldn't be able to ban you from !science. (Assuming those are both large communities).

    This can be difficult, because you'd be surprised at how few extremely active people are willing to moderate even a tiny community. The other is that instead of putting out advertisements to recruit for mods, I try to draft mods. So our mods are not limited to those who seek out the position.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    As a long time Reddit mod and new Lemmy.World mod, I do lament the lack of many helpful features I'm used to, but I'm glad for:

    • The significantly reduced likelihood of a moderator going rogue (because a rival community can pop up in its place with the same name and do a better job and the admins here are much more responsive and transparent)

    • Public-facing mod logs (see previous point)

    One of the big reasons I'm even here is /r/tampa's moderators went off the deep end, quietly shadowbanning people they didn't like, banning anyone who talked about it, and lying about doing both.

    If I were to do something similar with /c/tampa, I trust an admin would remove me and/or someone would start whatever.instance/c/tampa. On Reddit, running /r/FreeTampa (because you can't just have another /r/tampa), I have to be very careful about talking about why the subreddit even exists or we get slapped for brigading; Reddit is staunchly against anyone constructively criticizing subreddits/moderators.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I have to be very careful about talking about why the subreddit even exists or we get slapped for brigading; Reddit is staunchly against anyone constructively criticizing subreddits/moderators.

    And only you as a mod needs to be that careful. The users will keep going to r/tampa and antagonizing r/FreeTampa, or the opposite, as there is no rule that directly forbids regular users from doing it, only the one directed to moderators.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    the reddit mods of the large subs should not be one on here, because many of them are powermods(they have hordes large accounts under thier belt, plus i heard many of those are in cahoots with the admins of reddit.

    what lemmy needs is the niche subs. also indian subs are pretty much taking over reddit, solely because of the sheer number of people in india, apparently they dont have a sole "social media" platform of thier own. and i heard this is drama with india subs, solely because of the BJP bots.

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    same, they only started appearing on reddit after musk/trump was "deciding to " limit h1b visa last year it was getting more attention than it should. reddit is likely going to be an "indian only reddit" mostly because they have the sheer number of people using it, more than most other countries combined.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Good! Finally the last holdover users will reconsider open source alternatives

    LOOOOLOLOL brother, I want some of what you're smoking because I want to exist in this reality where people are fleeing Reddit rather than flocking to it. This only affects logged-out visitors, not so much "users". Most platforms have been this way for a long time and seen no such decline either. Pretty much the entire internet is already account-gated.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    It mostly affects people who use Reddit to search people discussing stuff. Unfortunately I don't think the Fediverse is indexed much, plus some niche communities/interests just doesn’t have the critical mass.

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