*This comic was about France in 2021, but this style seems much more widespread.

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[–] 152 points 2 weeks ago*

"Guess you guys aren't ready for that yet, but your cat's are gonna love it."

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  • [–] 114 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (29 children)

    You can blame this guy: Adolf Loos, at least in part.

    Major influence behind Modernism. He was mainly reacting against Art Nouveau which he was a staunch critic of.

    "The evolution of culture marches with the elimination of ornament from useful objects" is the core theme of his essay "Ornamentation and Crime" .

    Basically,

    1. ornamentation causes buildings and useful objects to go out of style.

    2. Things that go out of style require materials and manpower to update.

    3. It is the moral imperative of the designer to make useful things, things that need to be redone are less useful and are wasteful.

    4. Therefore it is the moral imperative of the designer to remove all ornamentation from design.

    He saw ornamentation as "degenerate" and equated ornamentlessnes with moral and intellectual development. He also made it a race thing. He used the example of people from Papua New Guinea having tattoos. Paraphrasing: "these primitive savages ornament themselves with tattoos, we enlightened europeans don't. We smart, they dumb. Therefore ornament = dumb bad, no ornament = good smart. See?"

    He was a major inspiration behind the modernist movement. It helped that unadorned buildings are cheaper and easier to construct - especially with the advent of cheap glass and steel construction. So you end up with this sort of soulless architecture that gives no sense of time or place - that tells you nothing about its purpose or the people who built/use it.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

    We can pretend he's the main influence, whilst ignoring the fact that most people prefer square even walls for aesthetic, functional, and - most of all - cost purposes.

    I do agree we could do better w.r.t to colour, and millenial grey needs to go. But don't knock the rectangle. Rectangle is good. Rectangle is steady. You can plan on rectangle.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Rectangle looks like shit and is monotone

    No like really, I can see it making sense for older times where it was harder to build shit but cmon we are in 2026...

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I think an aspect of the problem is the modern high expectations of functionality for things like climate control and ingress protection against pests and water. It's much easier to not make a mistake on those if you aren't adding any "frills". Balancing those needs with ornamentation and cost is such a difficult juggling act, most people just don't.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    It's also a question of cost. You can probably take the layout off the modern house and have the facade look like the housing of old. But building houses is expensive so costs need to be cut where it can, thus very minimalist facades. If you live in your own house would you pay 50k or 100k just to have your house look a certain way from the outside? I know I wouldn't. I could barely afford the house.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Rectangles were fucking hard for a very long time. Which is why vernacular building strategies came about (why there’s so much variation in architecture older than the Industrial Revolution).

    This entire thread reads like it’s filled with opinions from people who have never put anything together.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    I was talking more about the overall shape of the building rather than doors, windows etc etc and also not pre-industrial revolution ages.

    I lived in a souther italian commune for a while and i still go there in vacation, the houses are very old and most shapes are cubic or rectangles except for windows and doors because it was just easier to build that way (the houses are also not big so it's a factor to keep in mind) while bigger structures do use more arches and many shapes

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Rectangle good, sure. But rectangle that gives no sense of time or place sad, I think.

    I really like some architecture inspired by modernism. Huge FLW fan - fallingwater is my favorite building. But the good modernist or modernist-derived buildings incorporate and emphasize their surroundings and give a sense of time and place by incorporating traditional stylistic elements, local materials, etc.

    Also, no pretending needed - this guy was a major progenitor of the style. The style can be a very good fit for the needs of people who commission buildings to be built, and it can look cool in its own right, but regardless of any of that Loos was a pioneering force in the Modernist movement

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Unpopular opinion: I never saw the appeal of Frank Lloyd Wright, honestly. I don't know how anybody can look at Falling Water and not see a bunch of cardboard boxes somebody left at the creek.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    I don't know how anybody can look at Falling Water and not see a bunch of cardboard boxes somebody left at the creek.

    I don't have a strong opinion about this, but I find it funny that even your unflattering critique acknowledges that it does convey a sense of time and place.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Tell me you’ve never read Buckminster Fuller without telling me

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Hmm, tricky but I'll try.

    *Mimes: Five words*:

    • 1st word: *Points at self *
    • 2nd word: *Crosses arms straight, refusal motion*
    • 3rd word: *Folds hands open and holds close to eyes*
    • 4th word, 1st syllable: *Cups hand to ear, then makes thrusting motion with hips*
    • 4th word, 2nd syllable: *Hold first finger and thumb close together, squints eyes*
    • 4th word, 3rd syllable: *Walking motion whilst lowering knees gradually*
    • 5th word, 1st syllable: *Pats belly and plumps out cheeks*
    • 5th word, 2nd syllable: *Makes a confused gesture, scratches head, looks around*
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  • millenial grey

    There's nothing in the construction world that I hate more than the fake gray wood interlocking vinyl floor planks that are in every house now. I guess they're supposed to be the color of wood on old barns or fences, but I've never seen real wood of that color on a floor anywhere. I bought my house a couple of years ago and it had that type of fake flooring in the living room. I deliberately left it uncovered during the renovations, assuming that it would be trashed which would force me to replace it with something I actually like -- no such luck, that stuff is actually pretty indestructable, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    I now feel the need to create a coordinate system where a 120 degree angle is orthogonal, so people will say the same for hexagons.
    And then pixels on the monitors will be arranged in a hexagonal formation.
    It would be fun to watch.

    But IDK if that will work out. Perhaps create another space.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    Oof, I'd hate to live in a hexagon house with hexagon rooms. Can you just imagine what the corridoors would be like?

    Either you accept that the corridors are constantly bending in and out, or you shove a rectangle through there for normalcy and disrupt all the other rooms

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    If in a given space, 120° is orthogonal angle, then 240° will be the angle at any point of a straight line.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Oh you rewrote the universe with a curved geometry. That's very practical

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    At least all the things I see on the buildings in the top picture seem to have a utilitarian purpose.
    Of course, how well they fulfilled their purpose would have depended upon the availability of materials and manufacturing processes at the time.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    If it got more people into houses I wouldn't give a shit, but sadly, its shitty in both ways

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    There are a lot of high density housing being built in my city after some planning rule changes to enable it.

    It's unpopular to say the least.

    I'm just happy that it means more people get to live in a house.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    As long as the house has at least 1 window each on opposing sides, and at least 2 metres of spacing between the next plot margin, I'd give it a pass.
    I'm writing this from an area where I won't find such a place even if I were to pay 1/3 of my salary as rent.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Modern boxy homes would be pretty great if their roofs are also designed to be used as a patio area with awnings or solar panels. It just seems like a waste otherwise.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago

    I think the creative processor for our simulation is failing. This explains a lot of the wacky things that are happening.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

    Funny enough 1921 is when all the houses from the second half of the comic started.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Not fair to equate bland housing with modernism.

    Tell me this building is bland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Assembly

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    it's not bland, but can someone powerwash that thing?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago

    A wonderful thing is the regional differences in door casing styles.

    Every house everywhere have doors and all of them have trims (door casing), but they're not the same.

    In a lot of old houses/apartments, these are rarely changed. They suck to change because you'll probably want the same for all the doors in the house or it looks weird. So if you want to change/repair just one, you'd want the same profile again and that's not available, because every single carpenter had their own design back in the pre-1950s where stuff like this wasn't mass produced, but made by the carpenter. So you either don't change it or you get the same again. The design caries over either way.

    In old large cities like Copenhagen where they obviously had several carpenters, you can tell to this day which neighborhood you're in by looking at the door trims if you know how they look.

    These days the new ones are all just flat. No profile. Sure, it makes it easier to maintain, but its a real loss in my opinion.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    What is the leading character of the older year? Capital 1?

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    common in France, in handwriting the down-tick part is often bigger than the vertical part.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Is it only if it’s the first number? I was confused why both 1s weren’t written like that, and was wondering if it was a weird way to write a 0 or something (idk if those would be accurate mid-medieval homes, probably not)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    Not at all. In France it's very common to have roughly the same proportions for the upstroke and downstroke. Both the first and second 1s are perfectly valid and legible and variations come with handwriting. However the downstroke should roughly end at least at the same level as the upstroke's start.

    See this quickly made example, 147 written in French style (above) and English style (below) in my shitty phone handwriting.

    147 written in French style (above) and English style (below)

    As you can see, 1 takes a single stroke and 7 two so we can't mix them.

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  • You also see people tracing the 4 as a zigzag shape, in one lazy stroke. I tend to do that, but I don’t know if it’s a specifically French thing.

    Fun fact about the 7: even in France, you don’t cross them when doing chord notation (in classical music at least), because a crossed number means it’s a diminished intervall. That’s not a problem because the digit 1 isn’t used when numbering chords.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    *Cries in french* Around my hometown I have 4 styles of different houses depending of the microregion they are in. All in a 40 km radius. There is even a continum with hybrids as we move from a place to another.

    ... That's for older house of course. They are still here, terribly laking heat isolation and in desperate need of renovation, but still here but for every new family that move in the village of for every second brother that stays as an adult, there is a cookie cutter home terribly laking in hot weather resistance that will be desperate for renovation in just 15 years.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago

    Carcinization of architecture. All structures evolve to box.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    This is the "light" version. The worst are when they don't even have street facing windows, only concrete and garage doors facing the street and all around the house nothing but concrete/tiles, no greenery. These houses make me so sad while walking around a neighboorhood :(

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    People don't use materials they pick up in the immediate vicinity anymore, with stone being of different colors in different regions and different materials being locally available, forcing the use of different construction techniques. They use manufactured materials that all came out of the same factory and brought over by truck.

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  • These white boxes are everywhere, as one of my daughters call it, they lack personality as one of a normal house and don't look practical or especially luxurious beyond looking like an office building.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago

    Ʌ921 is crazy

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  • [–] 33 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    This is dictated by cost and the desire to insulate. It's possible to build well insulated buildings that look traditional, but it's going to cost more and it's not going to improve the quality of living inside the house.

    Flat rectangular insulation panels with plaster on top placed on large flat surfaces -vs- irregularly shaped insulation with a cavity and a bespoke brick façade. Just the bricks alone, so without the labour, is going to cost about the same as the finished plaster. In the long term brick and a sloped roof should require less frequent renovations, but I doubt that it would ever offset the higher initial cost.

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  • I live in the Philadelphia area and a lot of the row houses here dating to a century or more ago have absolutely beautiful brickwork, incredibly creative and interesting stuff, often on houses that these days barely sell for $100K. It would be completely impossible to duplicate this kind of thing today even with a construction budget of millions. The craftsmen who can do that kind of work are nonexistent now -- today you're lucky to find somebody who can lay bricks in a straight line.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago*

    Yep, I've lived in old buildings most of my life (very german predilection for the "Altbau" I guess) and I'm not sure whether people are aware how much energy it costs.

    I love 3.5m ceilings and 2.5m high windows, I love thick walls made from solid stone, that's how I grew up, in a rented place in a wonderful turn-of the century building. ... it's not even expensive to rent compared to where I live now. But heating alone costs enough that it could pay for a single room somewhere else. And given that the walls are thick, but not insulated, you have to make sure you heat it, make sure you don't put things too close to the wall, otherwise you might have to battle moisture and moldy walls. In fact, if the windows insulate too well it might even be a drawback because the moisture can't escape, and you have to air the rooms (the very german habit of "Stoßlüften") frequently to not get mold.

    The rectengular zero-energy buildings of today, you probably don't need to heat much. Friends of mine used to live in a building like that. Well insulated, three-pane windows, all that. They barely had to turn the heat on in the middle of winter. Body heat, residual heat from cooking and what not, it's practically enough to keep the place warm.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    You can stick a fancy facade on basically any wall construction to make it look like an old-half timbered style, or brick, or stone, etc.

    But trying to actually build an old brick/stone/plaster and timber monstrosity today wouldn't be smart. Insulation, moisture control, energy efficiency, and even creature comforts like wifi signal penetration are all miles better with newer construction methods.

    I agree the architecture is boring, but again, it doesn't have to look this way. However, I think most people would rather have the soulless gray box than have uncontrollable mold spreading across their walls unless they leave the windows open in winter.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Exactly, the vernacular of the past was based on the materials that were available and practical at the time, for the demands of the time. Whatever came out was just the practical way to build under these conditions, not necessarily a choice.

    In that sense, the rectangular box IS the vernacular of our time. Practical materials that fulfill the needs people have to present-day homes. Straight walls, insulation, energy efficiency. Of course you can plaster on a fake facade but it's a choice, not a consequence.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Unless you build the house to last 200 years, with occasional maintenance. No drywall monstrosity will survive that long.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I'd think it was always quite expensive to build like that, and what we see today is what survived. A lot of (european) vernacular architecture is just ... not that.

    In fact I'd think the "old" houses in the comic, would need constant maintenance. Paint the wooden windows, make sure they don't distort, a new roof every 20-30 years. The places you see in a deserted italian, french or spanish village might have been uninhabited for a few decades, and are basically ruins.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Is that good though? In Japan they build houses with the expectation that they’re only going to last one generation and then will be rebuilt, and the result is that housing is actually affordable because there isn’t nearly as much speculative investing in housing driving up house prices.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    That's a great point. Alternative is that once you build enough housing (admittedly that would take some doing to redo everything, best bet is slow replacement) you wouldn't really need that large industry to begin with. You just have houses everywhere that are good and you build a few here or there to replace accidental damage or the slow turnover of old ones.

    Idk if that's possible. Humans never did it before.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I'm looking into insulating my 100+ year old house, and it might mean the stones on the base need to be flattened and covered up. The windows and some of the doors are now plastic, since the previous ones (that were already not the original) were water damaged, which somehow involved the indoor doors too.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Covering up can't be avoided unless you want to insulate on the inside. And insulating on the inside is a real pita to do right, so covering up it will be :) It's a shame to lose the old stone + brick look, but energy wise we must.

    Flattening the outside might not be necessary if you've got local contractors who can do carpentry + flexible insulation solutions. See the first option for an example: https://www.eurabo.be/nl/updates/buitenmuren-isoleren-langs-buiten In Dutch because I don't know the terminology to find something like this in English.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    Architectural degeneration.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I just love modern monochromatic architecture. Inject glass walls, metal accents, and white concrete into my veins.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    Back then, the builders built homes.

    These days builders build houses.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    Looks like in the past people wanted to be Hobbits and now they want to be Robots! I like them both, I think there is more diversity in modern styles than is really depicted here, even if I understand the sentiment.

    I'll say this much, when it comes time to replace the roof, Style A is gonna punch you in the nuts a whole lot harder than Style B.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    People sure are opinionated about architecture... I mean I think both are nice. Although the modern designs do tend to all look the same, which isn't ideal

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    I don't really have any strong opinions on architecture, but I'll still get mad in this instance taking it as a proxy for the French state's efforts to wipe out regional culture throughout its history. You have tons of regional languages, with their own rich cultures and histories, and France has systematically done its best to beat them out of existence. Bréton, Gascon, Picard, Occitane and Corsican, amongst many others, are all considered to be either definitely or severely endangered, according to their wikipedia articles. Even those whose wiki page doesn't mention this, like Alsatian, still generally mention the speakers tending to be predominantly older adults, with fewer and fewer young people learning the language. I've seen stuff about there being positive results with revitalization efforts and bilingual schooling for some of them, but it gets me bummed out and angry to think it might be too little, too late, and all in the name of some misguided nation building policies.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago*

    It's kind of lame and boring if they look the same. There's a ton of different modern styles that aren't just black and white.

    Like look up Nordic Modern, where there is often wood mixed in heavily.

    A lot of modern styles just mean tons of natural light, open concepts, indoor/outdoor integration. It's not inherently bad or boring. It's probably more that luxury homes are being built cheap and fast with dentist office modern style that seems copy and paste, without caring about what makes it nice.

    I think what people hate is the fake appearance of modernism where it's made to look new and expensive, and not what makes modern homes modern.

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  • My beef with modern home architecture (the stuff in the US, mainly) is not that it's different or modern, but that it's so fucking fake in its fundamental elements. Vinyl siding stamped to look like old-fashioned wood siding but obviously isn't because of the vertical seams and the bumps; double-paned vinyl windows with glazing dividers emulating old-fashioned casement windows that don't even look three-dimensional; shutters that obviously can't close; panel doors made from one block of essentially cardboard etc. etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    i mean are we not allowed to be opinionated on architecture all of a sudden? in a city environment, its what ends up defining the form of 80-90% of that environment. I feel likr thats actually one of the areas that make a ton of sense for the general public to be very opinionated about.

    also, sarcastically commrnting on the amount of opinions people have on architecture, then literally following that up with an opinion on architecture... ironic.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    They are building those in my (mainly 1940s) neighborhood and yeah I hate them. Half the bottom floor is a garage, no front porch, front door recessed so unfriendly and people just drive into the garage, close the door and enter the house without ever stepping outside. And so very ugly and builders ask 1.5 million for them. They buy one lot then build two mc mansions on them. I get splitting the lot but we don't need those monstrous buildings.

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