And it's this kind of shit that has ruined my love for tech. It's all soulless dystopian slop they want you paying for monthly for the rest of your life. Fuck all these techno dweebs. It's a shame all the normies will go along with this...
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Once again, I pray for the time when China floods the market with GPUs, RAM, and storage to the point where all these technocapitalists get fucked.
Fuck renting shit.
If they did that, the technocapitalists would just make Chinese hardware illegal.
If Americans cannot get their treats and the bread and Circus stops, then they will resort to other means of expressing dissent.
The USA is highly individualistic and materialistic. If they can't get their treats, then stochastic crime will take place (not that I'm against that, fuck capital).
I totally agree, which is another reason we should not expect China to save us. Their ideal world is one where Americans finally take power from the capitalist class.
That's my ideal world too though. You say that like it's a bad thing.
My ideal world is that but we immediately also start to undermine the Chinese as well through decentralized production and logistics so good it makes over seas shipping too expensive. Mind you I want that for the entire world, you cannot fathom the arousal I feel at the idea of a Trans-Berringia trains bridge to connect the logistics of the old and new world, also the Trans-African rail should be completed to such an extent that goods in the Congo are as cheap as goods in LA.
Exactly. And they will use the excuse that the chinese hardware might spy on us, all while the hardware they allow us to buy is doing that openly.
"Would?" They're already doing that.
Rent-seeking is definitely a sign of a financially-healthy company. Yup. No red flags there.
Microsoft has reinvented the arcade, except this time you buy the game first and then feed the machine quarters to play it. Next up: a premium tier that lets you pause without the meter running. At this rate, Xbox’s most profitable game will be watching customers try to escape the billing screen.
Next up: You get a free hour if you watch this AI slop ad. And since we've now required eye tracking to be enabled, if you look away from the ad for even a moment, then pay up.
DRINK VERIFICATION CAN
They played too much Roller Coaster Tycoon where they charged an admission fee for the park and then for every single ride too.
Xbox Developers: Hell yeah! Playstation is shooting themselves in the foot. All we have to do is sit back and we'll kill it.
Xbox Business : or.... hold my beer.
I've never paid a cent to stream anything. There's all kinds of streaming everything that wants me to pay money to stream their shit. Guess what? No.
You can do it now. You'll be able to do it in the future too. Movies, games, makes no difference. There are several lifetimes worth of games you can play without capitulating to the stupid late-stage capitalist bullshit that's going on in this moment.
And it's not always easy. I recently purchased a copy of Max Payne 3, a 14 year old game, because it was on sale for $7. After downloading, I discovered that it required me to register an account with Rockstar to play the single player campaign. I uninstalled it and got it refunded. I intend to pirate it now, out of spite.
Fuck these corporations. Don't contribute to them. There's plenty of other shit to do and there always will be.
I've called this so many times over... It's not just going to be xbox... it's going to be PCs in general, With AI data centers raising up the price on all hardware, They are already making moves in the government on banning routers. The plan is going to be for personal computers and hardware to leave the world. Either price them out of consumer reach or flat out outlaw them. We get thin clients like stadia, Luna etc... Actually having a personal computer capable of running software itself will be considered a national security threat. Why wouldn't you keep your stuff in the cloud where the government can audit it, companies can make sure you aren't pirating or running unapproved illegal LLMs that could make bombs etc...
Ok, whats your answer for all commercial companies without their own data centers then? You think they'd all be happy to give up their computers/laptops as well, or pay so much higher prices in the future?
If they aren't rich enough, then they are in the same boat as us. This ain't exactly new... AWS workspaces, Azure Cloud PCs, Google docs, office 365, one drive. The tech has been creeping it's way into businesses for the last 10 years. Obviously they are getting hammered right now by the raise in prices of new PCs. As the prices go up, they will have to make decisions.
My job trialled azure cloud PCs a couple of years ago.
It was pretty good from my point of view as a user.
However the cost was higher than $8000 laptops we have, so we didn't adopt it.
Wonder if it's still the same. Guessing the cloud is still suffering the same hardware price hike anyway.
Running a comparison, assuming it's in use 8 hours a day 5 days a week, looks like a CPC runs around 640-760 a year (just googling quickly checking the numbers). course that's just basic hourly office computer, meant to be comparable to what normally would be normal office computer. Didn't bother to look and see what say an 8,000 high end graphics card laptop or something would compare... of course if your company was doing 8,000 laptops "a couple years ago", those are probably at least 15,000 laptops today.
Yeah I get the feeling a lot of people don't understand how crazy expensive virtualized desktops are.
You really don't go to it to save money. It's for standardization and security and it costs you. Then you're at the mercy of the company anyway. Just witness VMware now.
"Your company data is safe when using our virtual computers." *Wink
And you all think all those companies will just fold their cards and go with it? I don't buy that.
I don't think it's going to be an overnight thing, It will start voluntarily, as the price equation shifts. the complications wasn't worth the savings when office PCs were 1500 a pop, but what about when they are 3000 a pop and projected to hit 5000 next year. After more of them make the switch... then say an announcement can happen that microsoft is lessening it's support for on prem servers and workstations, patches will be less frequent. and now it's a risk assessment as well.
I dont understand the reasoning behind people seem to think prices for components will climb for ever and ever without generating more supply. if RAM becomes obscenely profitable for long enough others will get in on the act and produce their own to get some of those profits. The only reason people arent yet is that everyone thinks there is a bubble pop coming down the pipe (me included).
so the two options are:
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Bubble pops-demand from hyperscalers vanishes, prices collapse
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Bubble doesn't pop, more supply comes online due to pent up demand, prices stabilize then come down over time
Neither involve cyberpunk dystopias of cackling supervillians monopolizing PCs
Running with thin clients for office workers has been default for large corporations for literally decades. Hell it's even done in engineering heavy professions too. It's the entire business model of companies like Citrix, and it's extremely popular.
As for small(er) businesses, no they're probably not going to like it, but they hold little to no sway in the matter, so their opinions don't matter compared to the multi-billion international businesses that fuel this.
And outsourcing IT infrastructure is wildly popular for businesses of all sizes, because it's less hassle and direct management when you just pay a third party to deal with it.
I think you are overestimating just how many big companies use a thin client-like system. But I admit I might be underestimating it. Out of personal experience, I used to work for a pretty big global company and every employee got their own work laptop to use. And that was a company with 30.000+ employees worldwide. So maybe that is my bias in this, and I would think companies like that wouldn't so easily give up their digital sovereignty.
Would you consider that laptop particularly robust? Was your rapid compute power critical to your role?
In my very similar case, the answers were: No and No
A lot of the work I did was subtly cloud-based. If the internet was slow, "local" tasks slowed significantly.
They don't have to give up digital sovereignty. They'lll just subscribe to the Executive plan which grants them more control for cheaper than 30,000 laptops
Oh sweet summer child no it is not. I've spent 25+ years in corporate now. Aside from set situations like BCP we are not using thin clients. They're cumbersome, an absolute bitch to manage, and quite frankly they're shit (underpowered) and not flexible.
Sure you may get some pockets of orgs that use thin clients across the board but I highly doubt it's common.
I work in IT for a large healthcare system that runs its EMR (electronic medical record) entirely through Citrix. So yes, yes we are using thin clients. And so is our largest competitor.
Aren’t anecdotes fun, my sweet summer child? You shouldn’t speak with such authority when you have no idea what you’re talking about.
This is the fun thing about The Internet is that neither of us have any idea what we are talking about.
What I can tell you is in finance the use of thin clients is niche and is not a replacement for a laptop/desktop. It's been tried time and time again.
Yes we virtualize applications using Citrix but again those are niche.
Now, healthcare may or may not be a different beast altogether.
Question, how are users accessing EMR. Are they using a thin client workstation for that along with their word, excel, outlook, etc. or are they logging into a portal from their company issued laptop/desktop?
I'm at a hospital right now and everything here is powered off of laptops hooked up to portable physical workstations.
Regardless, I digress. I don't give enough of a shit to care further lol.
The initial claim was that thin clients are the "default" for large companies, and yes we can confidently say that's bullshit.
I'm not surprised that healthcare could be an exception, given all the pii that is dealt with there. But thin clients are not the default at most companies.
It's insane how people can't just admit they they're blatantly wrong about something and instead play this gaslighting game where they pretend something is unknowable.
The global size of the thin client market is less than $3 billion. Do you honestly believe that covers most "large corporations" on the planet? I guarantee you that employers with thin clients as the default workstation aren't just a minority, they're a niche market. https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/articles/thin-clients-global-strategic-business-103200706.html
IDK, in broadcast infrastructure it's thin clients and virtual machines all the way down, and yes it causes tons of problems.
The default? I've never worked for a corporation with thin clients as the main workstation for employees. The only place I worked at with thin clients was a federal government office.
Can't believe this nonsense has so many updoots.
This is why I am amassing a library of games and media that can all be consumed locally. The day that becomes the default is the day I stop paying for any of that. I don’t need “the new thing” or “you must watch this”. I have plenty of stuff to keep me entertained till the end of time.
The bitch is going to be components but I’m making sure I can work with things across multiple generations and have spares just in case.
Microsoft wants to never sell another product to me again? Fine
Wow, I almost reflexively downvoted this post just because I hate it so much
Computers could have been so cool, instead they're all just becoming shitty slot machines.
Fuck everything about that. Fuck that to hell and back again not a hobbits tale.
Back in my day it was called an arcade video game.
Yeah, back in my day the games came on a cassette tape. Sometimes the tapes got tangled up or broke, but when you bought it, you owned it.
Oh, and you'd get those magazines with pages of code for a game - you'd spend a day typing it in and never be able to figure out the tiny error you'd made.
Actually, games are so much better these days. It's just unfortunate that capitalism.
Except you didn't have to buy your own arcade machine before you started shoveling quarters into it.
And we've come full circle back to arcades. Just with extra(fewer?) steps now.
they definitely want to put XBOX to the grave in favor of continuing the AI grift.
If I bought the game, why would I be streaming it anyway?
Streaming to steam deck is not a bad idea, actually. It gets more battery life and you can do AAA games at 60 FPS
I would just do it from the desktop, though
I'm not upgrading anytime soon with current RAM/storage prices, which means I'm stuck on 16GB of RAM for now. But eventually that won't be enough. For somebody who doesn't already have a halfway decent computer and doesn't have a ton of time to game, I can see this being a much better deal than owning your own computer (provided your internet latency and bufferbloat are good enough). For the amount of time I actually use my computer for gaming I know it would be.
I was one of the people who was actually happy with stadia (although my ping was 5ms with symmetrical gigabit actually hitting the numbers at the time) the controller support was fantastic and it cost $15 a month including some games.
I can guarantee you that you haven't played every good game playable on your hardware. If new games aren't playable anymore don't fucking buy them. You will never run out of games to play in your lifetime.
What a deal! Especially since the next gen Helix thingy is probably going to cost around US$1800, XBox is definitely the future of gaming. All hail Asha Sharma, the savior of XBox! (/s for those at the back who can't hear me clearly.)
Welcome to the future, my friends, where soon enough you will not be able to own your own at-home compute because it's too expensive, and instead you'll just have to pay hourly to use someone else's compute.
Stadia didn't charge to stream, though I suppose if it still existed it probably would by now.
the most shocking thing about stadia is that they released the means to de-fuck the stadia controller so it could be used as a normal pc controller
Gamers gotta buy compute tokens, too. Welcome to devops billing, gamers. The tech companies decided they're done just taxing each other, time to tax you, too.
I wonder if XBox realizes that their player base isn't locked into their ecosystem...
And they are certainly far from the only option.
sad to said that, but most players, are locked into their ecosystem. Most people know shit about piracy, linux, or even tinkering with their computer. It's sad, yes.
I would say that's true about Sony and its ecosystem.
Xbox, on the other hand, isn't doing so hot. I'd argue that Microsoft could potentially be heading toward a serious decline in the console market. When a consumer base is pushed hard enough, eventually people start pushing back.
That's why we're seeing PlayStation and Nintendo Switch consoles being jailbroken. It may be a sign that some consumers are tired of being restricted and exploited by the platforms they use.
Xbox has a particularly serious problem: if Microsoft fails to deliver games and experiences that make its ecosystem worthwhile, people will simply move to PlayStation or Nintendo to play video games. They aren't necessarily going to care about Xbox as an entertainment ecosystem if the gaming experience itself isn't compelling.
Microsoft needs to remember that people buy gaming consoles to play games, not to buy into an ecosystem.




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