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[–] [S] 166 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

The administration wanted a voting machine hacked, but DOGE had already fired the experts capable of doing it. Apparently the one thing stopping a potential election conspiracy was Elon Musk’s ability to make government incompetent at absolutely everything. Task failed successfully.

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  • [+] -31 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Or so þe Trumpers would have you believe.

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  • [+] 36 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
  • [–] 120 points 3 weeks ago

    Normally vulnerability testing would be a good thing, but in this case I think it's safe to assume the worst motivations for it.

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  • [–] 97 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    It’s the old projection thing again.

    Republicans: the Dems hacked voting machines and stole the election! Lock them up!

    Also Republicans: we hacked a voting machine so we can steal the election.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Pssst... They did it in 2016, and 2024. The only reason 2020 didn't work was the massive amount of mail in ballots. Vlad helped, and now they are just making extra sure their cheats worked.

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  • [–] 73 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Independent testing of voting machines and open sourcing the vulnerabilities in order to get them patched, is a good idea.

    Unfortunately, we all know what the Trump Regime actually intends to do: Keep the vulnerabilities in their pocket, and use them to secure "victories".

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  • [–] 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The smoking gun for me is how much they've been screaming about others cheating. They cheated.

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  • [–] 69 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Voting machines are vulnerable just like any other machine, and have been proven time and time again that they're not particularly difficult to hack. DEF CON has been doing it for almost ten years at this point. First time in 2017, with lots of articles covering it. The year after even TIME reported about how an 11 year old did it. In 2024 they got some attention again due to Trump going for second term. But I don't think much came of it...

    The US is a flawed democracy, and has been on a steady decline for years.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I worry that comments like this can degrade the confidence in the system.

    States run their own elections and they're usually administered at the county level. I can't speak for any other county but the way we do elections here are legit. This system is audited and administered by bipartisan teams. During elections I work with people from different parties and facilitate a system to ensure our voting process maintains integrity.

    If you don't know how elections are administered where you live I encourage you to take an interest and get involved. We all have a duty here to oversee that we are administering elections with integrity.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The system is made up of many components, and voting machines are but one part. Even though they might be hackable in various ways, there are much more efficient ways these days to sway an election. The Cambridge Analytics scandal proved one efficient way, while there's now a growing belief that whoever controls the social media algorithm effectively controls public opinion.
    And don't get me started on the two-party-system in the US...

    So no need to hack the machines, really. The system is flawed/corrupt elsewhere more severely.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    I'm sorry to say this to you. It wasn't difficult to make a voting machine in 2011. What we have are fraud machines. It's just politically impossible to make a secure voting machine, even though it's technically trivial.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Most democracies do not use voting machines because it’s impossible to trust anyone with creating and maintaining it.

    If there is a way to change the vote tallies, then clever people will use it to enrich themselves.

    The only way to circumvent most cheating is by paper ballots recounted manually in front of representatives of all candidates: recounted as many times as asked; and the ballots must be kept in public view until a winner is declared.

    Putting the ballots into any other device negates some or all of the above.

    And I would only have to say this in American political posts. But Americans are married to voting in ways that cannot be verified, except in some states. So most likely what’s seen as common sense in most of the world is either ignored or viewed with suspicion here.

    Ask any student in the uk though; and I’m just echoing what has been taught in school to young children

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  • [–] 31 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    The first stone has fallen out of the wall. I hope it leads to more. If you look at the various numerical anomalies that occurred in swing states only, it becomes very plausible that Harris actually won.

    • Mail-in votes closely reflected polling, but election-night voting (i.e. on the machines) contradicted the polls.
    • Split-ticket voting occurred much more often than usual - in this case, ballots with a vote for Trump and votes for Democrats the rest of the way. This does happen in elections, but not nearly to the degree it happened in the swing states.
    • The anomalies were always enough for Trump to win, but just below the thresholds that would trigger automatic audits.
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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Can we start compiling the evidence this stuff somewhere? Like I definitely believe voting got fucked up but whenever I want to talk about it to someone or bring attention to it I struggle to find a good resource for it.

    Quick edit: And I struggle to keep my facts straight particularly because im super busy but also because of lack of solid reference

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    Somebody must be but I don't know who. The things I listed came from a statistician who had various graphs and charts with historical data, illustrating why the voting was "anomalous". I don't remember his name and can't find him now. All he could do was show how the data, particularly the precision with which anomalous Trump votes were just enough to win but not too much, that painted a picture of someone carefully adjusting the vote on election night. The voting machines also had automated operating system updates shortly before the election, and additional updates shortly after, creating a plausible scenario of software hacks being inserted and removed. So far there has been no hard evidence that anything happened, but the more people who are involved in something the more likely it is that things will happen between them later that motivate some to come forward.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Can't wait for stories like this to suddenly just disappear in November when Republicans somehow - miraculously! - barely squeek out enough votes to secure key races at the very las second.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Lol... With this administration? They'll probably just report that they recieved 10x whatever the other party gets and brag about how big America must be to get more votes than citizens.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Don't they have voting machines every year at DEFCON?

    I feel like this is already been litigated.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    "Mitigated", but yes, that's a good point. I'm sure it was put through its paces there.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    No that's a different word.

    Litigated, means to have already discussed and arrived at an answer.

    Mitigated, means a solution is already in place. No one's fixed the issue so it's litigated, but not mitigated.

    I meant what I said.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago

    As much as I would want to cry foul, this sound like a typical red team exercise.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    So everyone who was involved in pushing that order is going to jail right?

    Right?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Early voters are reporting some hijinks when selecting their choice so be VERY CAREFUL about confirming who you are voting for.

    I know I am going to be checking in to make sure my vote was counted and counted for the people I want to win. You should to.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Early voters are reporting some hijinks when selecting their choice so be VERY CAREFUL about confirming who you are voting for.

    Like so?

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  • [–] 31 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Of course they hacked voting machines to audit their security. Apart from that, voting machines can't fulfill the transparency requirements of democratic elections on principle. So just not using them would be better anyway.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    It’s totally fine though. Since no one in America has the balls to do anything about it- it’s legal.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Careful, they LOVE to get really fucking defensive and shitty about their cowardice.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago
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    Both GW Bush in 2000, and Trump in 2016, lost the popular vote yet won the electoral college. They went on to appoint the conservative majority to the Supreme Court. The system has already been subverted with no meaningful attempts at reform.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Pillow magnate guy already got the inner workings of all the voting machines in 2020 and they reverse engineered them all from the swing states, likely all the red states too. GA I think, MI, CO, AZ, and so forth.

    It's just one facet of their plans to rig elections (moreso.)

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    [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    This is an inherent flaw of digital voting machines. One has to trust their integrity which only can be confirmed by a few specialists. By design, that is a lot simpler to undermine than a system that relies on a huge number of people where almost anyone who wants to is capable of taking part in securing the integrity of the vote.

    No self respecting democracy should use them.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Hey its 2026! just ask AI who should win based on popular vibe, and be done with.

    We call it vibe voting

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    There was a story recently about how a lot of voters are just asking AI who they should vote for. So vibe voting is effectively happening. Good job the AI companies aren't all run by fascists or anything.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Now why in the world would they want to do that? For educational purposes only, I presume. Fascists are famously pro-education.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    Remember tulsi was tasked with testing the machines before she resigned.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    Go for it, they will choose the most inexperienced losers and it will blow up in their face. Like the doctored Epstein footage with the movie maker marks

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Uplifting: He already looks like a cadaver.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    November 2023 repeat with another minor update.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Calling big balls.

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    He's just going to ask Elon to do it for him instead

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    That picture looks like a wax figure

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I read a story yesterday about Dolly Parton's sister and a few others saying they watched their votes for a democrat switch to the republican candidate before their eyes. She said she had to try it 3 times before it registered the correct vote. Though I have no more information than that I find this extremely troubling knowing with certainty that Trump and his enablers are completely willing to do this and worse in order to stay in power. Pay very close attention when you're voting.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    That isn't really what is at risk, that's just a MAGA poll worker deliberately sabotaging the touch screen calibration. It might be an attempt at election theft, but what Trump is seeking to do is much more covert and you won't even notice it. They will try to see if and where they can flip the tallies and mess with the paper trail if there is any, and that's only on one of the levels he will be trying to steal the midterms.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Is there confirmation that's what happened? It's certainly a valid theory but all I've seen about the two cases I read was speculation.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    It's an informed assumption based on historical precedent and the combination of plausible deniability with level of ease to implement that only statistics can really disprove as anything but speculation. There's also less eyes this time around because independent observers like OSCE have been prevented from participating.

    These issues are nothing new, but are so old some of the articles that have discussed them in the past are no longer even accessible:

    https://verifiedvoting.org/vote-flipping-and-touch-screen-calibration/

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago

    Pen-testing is part of good security...

    ...but let's be real, anyone who believes Trump won't exploit this rather than patch it is delusional.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    This pedophile wants to be Porfirio Diaz soooo bad

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Ironically, the initiative was reportedly complicated by the fact that Elon Musk’s DOGE squad had laid off the CISA agents who would have known how to actually break into voting machines.

    Article casually assuming that some vulnerability existed to exploit. The more journalistically-responsible way to phrase it would've been something more like "the CISA agents with expertise who might have been able to find a way to break into voting machines."

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago*

    Why do it in secret? Def con does it as sport.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Yeah, this election is gonna be stolen for sure... And guess what, Muricans will do nothing about it. They will throw their hands in the air and say "well, I tried".

    They already should have done something when their brain dead / brainwashed compatriots elected a CHILD-RAPING FELON, but nope. Sure, he was (possibly) "fairly" elected, that doesn't mean you can't show your "dissatisfaction" for it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    I never understand the point of the "But he was elected fairly" angle. So was Vladimir Putin as far as anyone can tell, so was Adolf Hitler, so was Stalin, the only major dictator of the last century that I can think of that definitely seized power through illegitimate means is Castro I suppose you could also make an argument for the CCP but certain people refute that.

    Most dictators become dictators over time, the vast majority don't grab power from a legitimate government because they would instantly have a fight on their hands. Usually that only happens with the US's assistance.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    There is no such thing as security if you have physical access to the device. So yes, I am sure they could "hack" it. (Remove storage, alter the votes, re-insert storage).

    That doesn't mean elections are compromised. It means one machine is compromised.

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