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[–] 60 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

That is really illustrative.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    I think a contributing factor is the art style.

    A simple trace has no shading or depth, which then the widest section of each part is brought to the front, on the same plane of the slimmer parts of that section.

    For example, a cyclindar has a gradual taper to the full width. This art style would just flatten it to a rectangle.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 weeks ago* (10 children)

    Same kind of thing here.

    If you compare the drawn body to a real body's actual size and proportions, 'full figure' is basically 'somewhere between normal and a healthy skinny'.

    'Tall and thin' is in actuality 'starvation/anorexia/muscular dystrophy/something like that'.

    The proportions are fundamentally unrealistic, which, on the one hand, duh, but on the other hand, does literally create an unrealistic body size/shape/proportion standard.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Please tell me that page is a joke. Those 4 figures are practically identical.

    (Yes, I see the minute differences between them)

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm built like the rightmost figure and I'm a man(?)

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    I genuienly don't believe you.

    Either you are mistaken, or you likely have some kind of genuinely concerning medical condition.

    Like I'm not trying to dox you, but take a picture of yourself, wearing fairly tight clothes, in the same pose as the anime figure, line them up at the shoulders, and overlay them and compare the outlines.

    Use a camera that is further away but also zoomed in a good amount, and if you do actually want to post the image, blur out your face and any tattoos or scars... totally fine if you want to just keep such an image to yourself.

    What you will likely find is that you are mistaken, you misjudged the proportions, or perhaps you are a skinnier lankier dude, but not literally the same limb thicknesses as the anime figure, or, perhaps you actually are that skinny, in which case, if you are past puberty, you likely have a relatively rare medical condition like chrones or muscular dystrophy, or anorexia, or are malnourished.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Not sure if that's a fair comparison. That looks like Japanese cartoon style, which is of course going to be stylized, but also visit Japan and you will see that average figure there is skinnier than Taylor Swift in the photo

    Edit: wording

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    I've done a fair amount of karate and met a fair amount of Japanese people, met them as visiting teachers or competitors.

    On average, do they maybe have slightly less body fat than other peoples?

    Sure, to a noticeable but small degree, but not to the point that they all literally have the proportions of anime characters.

    And my 'sample' of such people is of course biased towards those who are athletic, obviously not every Japanese person is a karateka.

    Are there skinnier models that tend to be in a lot of magazines, marketing, advertising?

    Again yes, but such people are not close to average, normal people, just the same as models in most other cultures with mass marketing, or actors in movies.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    From my experience, it's a smaller body frame. I felt awkward taking up so much space sitting down on the subway. And I was 165 at 5.11-6. So basically a twig. All those sandos changed that lol

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  • [–] 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

    Well, the number of people claiming Taylor Swift, a person who had an eating disorder, isn't skinny is certainly proving the OP's point. That being said, I think part of this is that the person is using a simplified, slightly cartoon-ish art style, which communicates reality through minimal lines. Our brains interpret reality through exaggerations in drawings like this; if they were to communicate youth in this style, they would probably make the figure's eyes 30-40% bigger than they would be in reality. I think that, the more detail they added, and the closer to photo-realism they got, the less, "plus-sized," she would appear.

    Another aspect is the angle of the photo; it's a somewhat candid photo taken while she's walking. She looks significantly thinner in the photo below, where she's posing at a more flattering angle for the camera.

    None of this is to invalidate the OP's point, but to offer an explanation for this mentality. If your exposure to women is mostly anime characters drawn with exaggerated proportions and Instagram models posing at optimal angles, you can convince yourself that Taylor Swift isn't skinny by seeing a simplified sketch of her.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    a person who had an eating disorder

    that does not make a person skinny, it just makes a person think they aren't

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    No, that's body dysmorphia. An eating disorder is when that dysmorphia causes abnorma, unhealthy eating habits.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    right. and sometimes that results in overeating, not undereating.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Right. Now which do you think Taylor Swift had? Do you think that she felt pressure to get bigger, and over-ate in a attempt to bulk up, or felt the need to get smaller, and starved herself? What do you think the most likely eating disorder is for Taylor Swift, a female pop star, to develop?

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  • [+] -5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    If I seem hostile, it's because your comments come across as though you're trying to say, "Just because Swift had an eating disorder, it doesn't mean she's skinny." And while I don't much care for Swift, saying this woman isn't skinny is absurd and indicative of the fucked-up beauty standards that cause women to develop eating disorders. So, if that wasn't your intention, I apologize, but jumping in to (incorrectly) tell me the definition of an eating disorder and then point out that eating disorders can also include weight gain (even though the context made it clear I was referring to anorexia or bulimia) sure makes it sound like you're trying to say Swift is heavy.

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  • [–] 47 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I've done painting of live models who are objectively attractive to have people (men I'm sure) say nasty things about the model.

    Like attractive in real life an attractive in TV/Internet are different and a 10 on person is a 4 on the Internet or whatever.

    This is a great illustration of that problem.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I think anyone who's seen a decent amount of celebrities in person can attest to this. People who look attractive in 2D do look attractive irl, but in an uncanny way? Less of a sexy - I want to date this person - attraction and more of a confused - how is it possible to look like this - admiration.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Art is about capturing the feeling of a thing, not recording and replaying the actual thing.

    A good drawing discards almost all of the unnecessary information from the real scene. Then you exaggerate to bring out the essence - which lines get thicker, which shades get darker, which features are literally enlarged or shrunken.

    That's the labor of the artist, to decide what's relevant and what's not.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago

    Sure, but that's not the point of this post. It's a reminder that draws (haha) attention to the fact that art isn't necessarily a literal 1:1 copy of real life and that we shouldn't compare ourselves or others to idealised or stylised artistic depictions, nor judge ourselves on them.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 weeks ago

    That's also not a uniformly right fitting outfit. It's tight on the shoulders and hips, but looser at the middle Drawn clothes don't have to have any thickness or areas to stretch.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago*

    I won't deny that this is true, but it's also the case that cartoons tend to have larger heads. The skinny version of swift here is also shorter and has more narrow shoulders / hips. She's not just drawn thinner, but literally smaller to accommodate the proportionally larger head. I think this is kind of exaggerating the effect. If the artist had instead drawn a larger head, it wouldn't be as dramatic.

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  • [–] 91 points 3 weeks ago (36 children)

    I don't think "skinny" is being used correctly here, which seems to be the whole source of conflict.

    Taylor Swift isn't skinny. She certainly isn't overweight, but skinny doesn't mean "not overweight", it means thinner than average. It's the opposite extreme of fat, with the norm being somewhere between. Taylor Swift is in the normal range. Emma Stone is skinny.

    If you're using "skinny" to mean "not fat", obviously there's going to be some disagreement with those who use "skinny" to mean "thinner than normal".

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  • [–] 80 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

    Taylor Swift is (supposedly) 5’10" and around 130lbs.

    That is skinny. Even according to BMI, she’s bordering on underweight.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    I think it depends on where you live too, skinny (as in thinner than average) being a relative measure.

    I live somewhere extremely skinny by global standards and she wouldn't be called skinny, people might say, "yeah I guess she's skinny" if asked, but she wouldn't be seen as "a skinny person" because she wouldn't be far off the average. Same way a 5'8 woman wouldn't be a "tall woman" in the Netherlands.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Still seems like a definitional problem, with an imprecise meaning behind the word "skinny."

    Even according to BMI, she’s bordering on underweight.

    Bordering on, but still on the "normal" side of the chart.

    Does "skinny" look to broad population averages, or celebrity averages, or even celebrity averages for that particular age, or some kind of ideal? Is "skinny" a pejorative, negatively loaded term?

    I wouldn't call Taylor Swift "skinny" if that's intended to mean thinner than ideal. But she is thinner than the American average. Is the American average considered "fat"? How much of a gap is there between skinny and fat, occupied by people who are neither?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (9 children)

    BMI is a terrible metric, and even then her BMI is on the lower end of the normal range.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago* (8 children)

    Oh I'm aware. That's why I threw in that even according to the faulty BMI scale for women, Taylor Swift is considered bordering on underweight to being underweight.

    That you think Taylor Swift isn't skinny says way more about you than anything else.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Her weight has fluctuated, like most normal people. When she was closer to 115, she was closer to skinny, not at 130. Certainly not in the reference photo, which is probably the fullest I've seen her. There are plenty of photos where you could make the argument, but they look much more like the "exaggerated" sketch anyway. She is not skinny in the reference photo provided.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    When she was closer to 115, she was closer to skinny, not at 130.

    She was unhealthily underweight at 115.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Aka "skinny"

    And unhealthily overweight = "fat"

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  • [–] -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Wow you cleared up all the confusion immediately with this really clear definition of skinny and fat! WHHOOOAAAA WOWWWEEE /s

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    From the photo she would appear to weight more than 130lbs (for 5 10 height). My one daughter is 130 at 5' 8" and looks much skinnier than TS

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    It’s almost like everyone’s body is different or something. Weird.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

    In the context of the post they clearly were using “skinny” to mean “not plus sized”.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    This is like saying 2 = 3 because 2 != 4.

    This yellow firetruck is red because it is not blue.

    The aircraft is grounded because it is not flying at above 20k feet.

    Etc.

    Skinny literally means 'thin or very thin'.

    It does not mean 'not plus size'.

    Look up any English dictionary's definition.

    They way OP from the image used the word was nonsensical.

    The only thing that is 'literally skinny' is the drawn-as-skinny figure, based on the picture of Swift, who is herself not skinny.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Language is a tool for communication. It requires interpretation. The meme uses language to try to get a point across, and adds illustrations to further enhance understanding. I’m sorry that the imprecise language made you unable to comprehend the point of the post, but it seemed pretty clear to me.

    Discuss the ideas communicated or go off and sulk because you can’t comprehend, but all this whining about the language is beyond stupid. If you don’t wanna talk about beauty standards you can quietly excuse yourself. This adds less than nothing to the conversation.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Language is a tool for communication. It requires interpretation.

    A hammer is a tool for putting nails into things, if you hammer your finger with it instead, you're doing it wrong.

    Every person in this thread who objects to the use of the word is proof on its face that this person has at least nicked their finger on the way down.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    More crying over a word. Wow, interesting dialogue we’re having instead of talking about society we get to hear you whine about a word. Good talk lemmy, real fun.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago

    Considering the argument hinges on whether "skinny" applies equally to the person and the sketch? Kind of a vital point.

    Also? Bitching and moaning about artstyles being problematic? Not my definition of fun, but you do you.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    Right, that's the problem. They were using the word in a way that's inconsistent with the dictionary definition, causing confusion.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

    That is not a problem except for men who are way more interested being pedantic over semantics than they are in talking about a visual phenomenon. And then then, almost all of them are being dishonest.

    There's no real confusion. Anyone who can rub some brain cells together can figure out what was meant. The context is visually demonstrated. It's unmissable since you have to look at it to even know it's time to get uppity about Taylor Swift being called skinny and then pretending like OF COURSE Taylor Swift looks plus size in drawing format since she's not skinny!

    This is just straight up a situation where a bunch of neckbeards just want to comment their opinion on a woman's body while pretending like they're upholding the strict rules of language and meaning against unwashed hordes.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    That is not a problem except for men who are way more interested being pedantic over semantics than they are in talking about a visual phenomenon.

    Hi, I'm autistic.

    What you call pedantry, I call accuracy, precision and consistency in communication.

    If you want to use words in a way where they have multiple different possible meanings that are context dependent, you can do that, but its always going to be confusing for me and probably most other male autists, unless there are clear and consistent guidelines as to which context should connote which specific, similar but substantially different meaning.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    But there is clear and obvious context. It's unmissable. You have to look at it before even getting any inkling of an idea that there's an ambiguous word. This is picture with a guided series of posts and a visual demonstration of what is being discussed. Even with the autism you describe here, it requires purposefully ignoring the context in order to go down this path of fixation of confusing what the word used in the demonstration means, which in turn requires a desire to ignore talking about the actual point to instead focus on best defining how to describe women's bodies.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago*

    Words aside, the demonstration is just adding together relatively small errors that add up to something that looks significant. The sides of the dress are loose around her torso in the reference photo but form-fitting in the sketch, the overlaid sketch is scaled too small and doesn't match her pose, extending her lowered neck and leveling her angled shoulders. Adjusting the scale, and accounting for the draping in the outfit and the pose of her head and shoulders, there really isn't any difference other than the arms being drawn too long.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

    No one said Taylor Swift was plus sized. She is a relatively thin, but healthy weight in that picture.

    The whole post was about the "expectation" of skinny people in art. They then proceeded to trace a thin, but not skinny, person in loose clothing.

    Not that there aren't body positivity issues in the world, but this post itself seems dishonest overall in its premise and execution.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    The whole point being demonstrated is that someone who is obviously not plus sized in real life will read as plus sized when their silhouette is traced into a drawing. It doesn't matter if they are semantically skinny, thin, or normal, only that they are not plus sized but will be when traced.

    So what is the dishonesty you're suddenly detecting? That Taylor Swift is actually not skinny therefore this illusion doesn't work? It's a visual illusion you're claiming is false, so visually demonstrate your counterpoint. Otherwise this is just throwing things at a wall to see if it will stick. After all, that outfit is clearly not loose fitting, as we can clearly see in the image.

    Again, all this "confusion" and "problem" you're detecting are just neckbeards arguing about anything except the actual visual illusion because commenting on the exact right verbiage to categorize women's bodies into is more interesting to them than, you know, visually demonstrating why a theorized visual illusion does not hold.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    It's a visual illusion you're claiming is false, so visually demonstrate your counterpoint

    The outfit is not as tight fitting as the drawing on the right, and the pose doesn't help. We can all clearly see it in the image. There are plenty of images of her that would look slim even when traced.

    I can't upload an image for some reason, but here's a good example.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    The drawing on the right, as in the stylized "skinny" one from the comparison drawings? The difference between those two side-by-side pictures is the body, not the tightness of the outfit. Again, the one on the left is traced from the actual photograph. Look at the actual photograph of Taylor Swift in that post. Where do you see a bunch of loose fabric in that oufit's torso? Do you actually think Taylor Swift is swimming in that outfit since she's actually as skinny as she was 13 years ago? Just her legs alone, which are not under that dress, will clearly demonstrate otherwise.

    Of course a picture of a much skinnier Taylor Swift will look skinnier than one of a less skinny Taylor Swift. But that has nothing to do with the visual illusion described being apparently dishonest, which was your last assertion after you moved on from the semantics being the whole problem. This has taken quite a journey since your original assertion.

    All of this is proving my point that this entire post is only a problem for guys who just want to argue about a woman's body instead of the visual illusion. Not a single person who is arguing about "skinny" vs. "thin" semantics is demonstrating a single thing about how it affects the theorized illusion, that clearly isn't their interest. To them, this post is just an avenue to share "valid opinions" on the right way to describe women's bodies.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    The difference between those two side-by-side pictures is the body, not the tightness of the outfit.

    Incorrect. Well, you are right in that the body proportions on the right are off compared to the overlay which exacerbates the discrepancy (we'll circle back to that), but the tightness is absolutely different.

    Where do you see a bunch of loose fabric in that oufit's torso?

    I'm using the bottom photo, with the "skinny" overlay for reference.

    Basically the entire white triangle at the far left (her right) above the waist is loose. If you mark her waist at the halfway point between the "skinny" sketch and the photo, that's where her actual waist is. The right (her left) side isn't as egregious, but a significant fraction of the gold portion between the skinny sketch and the photo is loose.

    Add to it that, especially with the sequins, the outfit is a relatively thick material, and the discrepancy starts to fade.

    Do you actually think Taylor Swift is swimming in that outfit since she's actually as skinny as she was 13 years ago?

    I really don't know what you're asking here. I think that the areas where the outfit is loose (at least looser than the skintight skinny sketch) make her waist and torso look bigger than it actually is.

    Of course a picture of a much skinnier Taylor Swift will look skinnier than one of a less skinny Taylor Swift.

    This is my point. It's only "much skinnier" and "less skinny" when it's a comparison. I'm by no means skinny, but I'm much skinnier than fat people. "Much skinnier" Swift is arguably skinny, "less skinny" Swift is indeed less skinny than skinny Swift, but she is not skinny.

    But that has nothing to do with the visual illusion described being apparently dishonest, which was your last assertion

    Let's address that directly then. Leaving semantics aside (since I would barely qualify the skinny sketch as "skinny" anyway) the looseness of the outfit that obscures her actual figure gets us about halfway to matching the sketch to start. But that's just one of several factors that contribute to the "illusion". The other factors can be attributed to the pose and scale.

    In the original photo, Swift is mid stride. The rotation of her shoulders is notably more extreme than the sketch, which makes them appear narrower as a reference, and that screws up the proportions. Look at her right (our left) shoulder with the overlay, the angle isn't even close between the two, either rotationally or vertically.

    Her head is also bent down, making her neck look shorter, which is not reflected in the sketch, further screwing up the proportions throughout the whole thing.

    And then the knees. The very top of her patella is below where the very bottom of the sketch's patella would be.

    So the shoulders are lower and less angled in the sketch than in the photo, the knees are higher in the sketch than in the photo, and the head is angled in a way that hides the length of the neck. Taken collectively, this is clear evidence that the skinny sketch is scaled too small in the overlay.

    If you scaled it up to actually match her body in the photo, and accounted for the looseness of her outfit around her ribcage, the illusion is negligible. The illusion comes from choosing a highly dynamic pose, not reproducing the pose faithfully, and making the outfit in the sketch skintight when the actual outfit is not.

    I can't speak for the purely argumentative neckbeards, but I have seen many women of many body shapes both clothed and unclothed, and autistically recognized the difference in silhouette. Additionally, I've done a fair bit of research into anatomical sketching and sewing; more than I've done actual sketching and sewing unfortunately, but I can recognize the relevant issues.

    This "illusion" comes from a number of small discrepancies that add up to something that looks significant. Additionally, it is a single, still and, I reiterate, highly dynamic picture. We've seen a thousand pictures and videos of Swift, which means we can construct a mental model which accounts for various outfits and poses.

    I didn't want to be mean to OOP, but this is a skill issue as an artist, and a very poor choice of photo to make this point.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    Oh I love this!

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    I feel like I'm going insane with this stuff, is there really no better terminology? Because one huge factor with how people look is their general build, like how broad their shoulders are, for example. That, to me, looks like the biggest difference between the illustrations.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    You can also look back at photos of people in the 70s from various cultures. We’ve become fatter overall because of processed food and reduced exercise.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    We've also gotten significantly taller and older in only about a century.

    Year Median age
    1820 - 16.7
    1860 - 19.4
    1900 - 22.9
    1940 - 29.0
    1970 - 28.1
    1980 - 30.0
    1990 - 32.9
    2000 - 35.3
    2020 - 38.8

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    that's an effect of the demographic transition. society stopped having a dozen kids each so maybe three or four make it to 20. now they expect all (or nearly all) to survive to adulthood.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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    We are working on it as fast as we can!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Alright , alright, alright. What's the fastest disease we can spread to kill children? We need something where if one kid leaves a room, another kid can walk into the room an hour later and catch the disease. Something that can infect a whole school basically at once.

    Any ideas? What's the fastest spreading disease you can think of?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago

    Isn't that dress covered in fringe? I mean, she's in great shape either way, but fringe all over a dress is bulking.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    I always love this type of thread-squabbling.

    Obesity has become such a pervasive problem that people do not even understand what it means to be skinny.

    I grew up in the '70s when we ate the appropriate amount of food. 50 years later let me tell you my friends, what you think is skinny is NOT skinny.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    Same age. These people would be appalled at the class of '89.

    Talking about a mutual friend in his early 20s, "He's not fat, just a little pudgy."

    "In 1989 he would have been the fattest kid in my class of 400, by a long shot."

    Dude was speechless for a moment. The young man in question is shaped like Cartman.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    Taylor Swift's legs would jiggle if you shook them...

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  • [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago* (7 children)

    Most people's legs will jiggle if you shook them, even thin people.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    This thread is insane. Apparently skinny people can't jiggle because....I guess they're not allowed to have meat and organs and other squishy jiggly things?

    Just sexy bones I guess!

    I was honestly hopeful coming into this thread only to be confronted a wall of people basically arguing that cartoon bodies are an attainable beauty standard or something?

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  • [+] -14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    No. That only happens when there's surplus fat or stretched skin.

    Skinny people don't jiggle.

    It's really true.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Have you ever met skinny people? Even when I was at my thinnest, my body did jiggle. Not because of fat or stretched skin (at my fattest, I have still been on the lower end of normal weight), but because relaxed muscle jiggles too, unless you have muscles like stone. Which you cannot really have, if you are underweight, which people in this thread seem to think is "skinny".

    Also thin is not the same as healthy, nor beautiful. People with anorexia are really thin, do people think they are healthy? Or cancer patients. Or someone like me, whose "miracle diet" is autoimmune diseases combined with mental health problems. I am all bony to touch, you can see my ribs and a tight gap. My cheeks are sunken in. I still jiggle.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago*

    I really did not intuit how fat people truly are until I lost about 65kg and got fairly toned and muscular.

    I hit 73kg at 188cm at that was with so much added muscle vs prior. If you had taken away all the muscle mass that I had added through my journey I'm confident to say I would have been around 65kg. This was with around 11% body fat.

    Rediscovering at my own body in the mirror and seeing what actually skinny was... Completely blew my mind and changed my perspective forever

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    What an awful image format. Why is this still a thing?

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  • The trace does not match the photo and is the wrong pose. its squishing her arms and shoulders down and ignoring the twist in her stance, making her chest look blobby.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    How is arguing what relative terms mean a thing? Skinny means less fat than someone else, usually the "average" which obviously varies wildly from many factors. Fat means fatter than that same idea. The definition will vary person to person. This thread is full of people who confuse their opinion with objective truth.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The entire point of the OG post went right over most people's heads.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Way too many people interested in litigating absolute definitions of relative terms that have already been thoroughly distorted by marketing and mass media (thank you, 90s and 2000s sitcoms for teaching me that anyone who isn't heroin chic is embarrassingly heavy).

    Also a lot of the commenter have never had family, friends, or perfect fucking strangers comment on their bodies and it shows.

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