• Albertans have voted to remain in Canada, CBC News projects, rejecting the proposal to begin the separation process.
  • Early results in the province's referendum show more than three-quarters of votes in favour of staying part of the country.
  • Supporters at the Forever Canadian watch party broke into cheers and waved Canadian flags when they saw the first results on a screen.

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[–] 51 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Investigate UCP and the separatists for treason with all the voter information leaks, the collaborations with the states. This was a waste of time and money. I worry they won't accept defeat and are going to ramp up the crazy.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    If the American Right Wing is any indication, they will claim that the vote was rigged, despite being whooped by a WIDE margin, and scream it loudly forever. Really annoying.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    election tampering is a valid concern, which is why its so important to have paper ballots and vetted scrutineers.

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  • [–] 94 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    the whole thing was incredibly dumb and a monumental waste of time and resources.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Sadly the other 9 questions reveal a lot of social friction that is going to empower the UCP to more bullshit.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    I'm so thoroughly disappointed in my fellow Albertans on this front. Essentially, "yeah we want to remain a part of Canada, but we don't want immigrants or federal influence."

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  • [–] 31 points 3 weeks ago

    Can we arrest Marlaina Smith yet?

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  • [–] 29 points 3 weeks ago*

    In before Daniel Smith claims this is a victory that only solidifies how good a leader she is, and that there’s a clear mandate for the Federal government to do whatever she wants.

    Despite this being a national risk that should have her summarily tried for treason, as well as those in the UCP who leaked voter lists and conspired with the US government.

    Also in before she uses this to invoke the not withstanding clause on healthcare.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    @NotSteve_ A third voted, Smith's treason got a quarter of that third.Two thirds didn't care about the Goof's drama, 75% thought she was the goof.So 1/3 times 1/4 means only 1/12th of voters were mislead by Smith.#canada

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Alberta also voted yes to the other nine, which means we voted to be as shitty and racist as possible while remaining.

    This isnt the victory everyone wants to think it is. This went exactly as expected and means this province is going to keep blindly voting on issues that 1) dont exist or 2) they dont understand, which means we are staring down the barrel of more UCP in the future.

    Alberta predictably voted to be racist and ignorant, as usual, my disappointment is expected but still bitter and Im drafting a plan to leave. This is going to get a lot worse here before it ever gets better and this vote is concrete proof that Alberta is fucking stupid and will vote against themselves if it means they dont have to see as many Indian people

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Alberta also voted yes to the other nine, which means we voted to be as shitty and racist as possible while remaining.

    Daylight saving time and abolishing a useless crony Senate is hardly racist.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    We have fixed Daylight Saving Time in Manitoba, no referendum needed. Why does Smith need a mandate for that? Is she so incapable of doing the job she had to waste taxpayer time and money farming out that question? Or is she too cowardly to make a stand?

    And while the Senate question is actually interesting, this is something Alberta on its own has no control over, and a constitutional convention will probably not pass anyway, so this is just more taxpayer money wasted on intellectual masturbation.

    Thankfully, there were other questions on this referendum, so it wasn't as much of a waste of money as it could have been, and now Albertans can defend themselves by saying only two-thirds of the questions on their referendum were racist!

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    Good news from Manitoba here. Go Alberta! Go Canada! Many hands make light work and we are stronger together.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'd rather they introduce more protections for the immigrants that choose to come here. I have heard tales of shady lawyers overcharging for form filling, or employers using the fear of not meeting work requirements to extract free overtime, or can keep wages low. Immigrants already pay a heavy price to come here.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    Yep, somebody I know got scammed by a lawyer (they claimed to be a lawyer). They collected high paperwork fees from the immigrants and said it would take months for the government stuff to come back, once they had all the cash they disappeared.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Some employers with ties to other countries were sort of selling work visas. They'd get the LMIA permit (or whatever its called) and then get someone that wanted to come to Canada but couldn't immigrate any other way to pay 10's of thousands to come work that job.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Good

    Can we now put this to rest with a bullet in the head and not try to revive it next year?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Wished we could have such a vote in California.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    The GOP thugs would never let California leave. CA might be their whipping boy but they know how much money it makes for the country.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't be so sure about that. MAGA loves to shoot itself in the foot. It does it nearly every day.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Might have more luck with an exchange of people, but I have a feeling that's not super appealing to those who might move. It also wouldn't fly, likely, since having people being angry and destabilizing in Canada benefits the US. Else, I'd expect to have already seen an offer by the US similar to the one given to white South Africans.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I guess the worrying issue remains with the other 9 questions and what the provincial government is going to do with that if the results are yes

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago*

    The common financial wisdom is to invest in diversity (Canada) rather than a single asset (petrostate).

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    And people said this would be like Brexit.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

    American and your border neighbor here, this is news to me. Can somebody explain to me what's going on? Because this is the first I've heard about this.. is Alberta trying to secede from Canada?? What? Why? I'm not super familiar with your politics. Thanks, ahead of time.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Ya, theres an unhappy bunch that have been getting help from your current government to try and separate from Canada, amplified by Russian misinformation campaigns.

    This was a vote to see if there should be a binding referendum.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Our former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was very proactive when it came to climate change. Alberta's biggest industry is oil and gas, so this pissed them off because they weren't making as much money as they could have been. Their oil and gas sectors also make a lot of money for the country and they are upset that some of it gets sent to Ottawa and redistributed. And Alberta doesn't have much say in federal elections because their population pales in comparison to Ontario and Quebec, who have more voting power to reflect that.

    So the separatists gathered enough signatures to have a referendum but the courts ruled that down because it violates the agreements the government has with First Nations. So the premier changed it by making it a referendum to have a referendum, which bypassed this legal restriction.

    The separatists groups have been collaborating with the Trump administration, who are backing the separatist side of the campaign which has caused a lot of anger here in Canada.

    The separatist side is very unpopular, even within Alberta, and this is widely considered to be a waste of time and resources. But Alberta has very permissive laws around direct democracy, so the threshold for triggering a referendum on any topic is quite low, you just need a relatively small number of signatures.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago

    I'd put a bigger emphasis on how much of a role the American right-wing christofascist propaganda machine has played. Paid Nazi propagandists like Joe Rogan have been stoking these flames for nearly a decade now.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You left off how the premier lowered the threshold for them to have the vote.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Yeah that's important information too. She made changes to direct democracy laws so that fewer signatures are required to trigger a province-wide referendum on a given topic. Presumably this was to appeal to the separatists in her support base

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Thanks, this offers a lot of context to Americans, who are are too swamped with the nonsense in our own country, to follow the nonsense going on in other countries.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Our Conservative Party keeps losing because they pick untenable and unpopular leaders.

    Alberta is a very conservative province.

    The Premier of Alberta decided to hold a referendum to have a referendum to separate because risking our country while another tries to annex us is a good idea for scoring political points and trying to get leverage.

    This was pitched as a protest vote like brexit, with a large large dose of foreign interference from the United States.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    No, Alberta isn't trying to seceed. Our quisling premier tried rabble-rousing with a referendum on whether to have a referendum to try to seceed and the separatists got crushed at the polls.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    The other 9 questions were the lede being buried by the seperation headlines and they all got a yes vote. This went as they intended. We are fucked.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    The other 9 questions are just as stupid, they just didn't get as much press. Most of them were worded so poorly that they could be interpreted however you liked and most of those interpretations aren't constitutional, so it's a meaningless result.

    And all of this was a non-binding referendum anyway. The government can do whatever it wants with the results, as it always could.

    We're not "fucked", we're just sick of this waste of time and money.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I think we are fucked because to me this indicates this province is continuing to vote with 0 information on gut feeling and bigotry which means we are staring down the barrel of more of this kind of politics in the future

    Alberta basically just showed canada they are fine with the UCP and likely to vote them in again... we are fucked

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I think we are fucked because to me this indicates this province is continuing to vote with 0 information on gut feeling and bigotry which means we are staring down the barrel of more of this kind of politics in the future

    Welcome to democracy. The worst form of government aside from all the others.

    Where do you expect to find a place where the people vote on a basis other than gut feeling?

    Alberta basically just showed canada they are fine with the UCP and likely to vote them in again

    Do you have a basis for this other than gut feeling? Current projections on 388 have the UCP ahead by a single seat, and of course that's based on polling that came out before the referendum. I think calling a UCP victory in the next election "likely" is not supported by the data.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago*

    Ive lived here for long enough to know that those polls showing an NDP lead mean nothing. Alberta is absolutely everything it gets accused of being and I have 20 years in this shithole of never being proven wrong minus the ONE time people tried voting differently and I STILL HEAR BITCHING about those 4 years like it was ever worse than 40 years of conservative mismanagement

    "Democracy" just determined immigrants here should be a secondary class of citizen and be denied access to services. Alberta deserves what it will get.

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    [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    Rest of the questions don't reflect that so much...

    Nearly double the amount of votes for the "big one". People showed up just to vote Remain them couldn't be bothered to answer the rest. As a result, what we have a referendum that appears to show Alberta wants to remain in Canada, but only on our own terms. Which is not much better than voting to not remain.

    So disappointed in my fellow Albertans. Every time I talk to one, I'll remember there's approximately a 25% chance they hate Canada.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Try to be patient. Remember that the biggest problem is they are saturated every day with foreign news, foreign issues, foreign propaganda, and constant reinforcement often from their foreign employers. Be thankful that apparently a majority of us can see through the BS, and do what you can to help the rest recognize their neighbours aren't "out to get them" regardless of what the people on TikTok, YouTube, Twitch, and all the other American media are telling them. Hate, like they have, is a product of fear. They're cowards puffing up to make themselves seem scary because they are constantly terrified.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    This I feel is the correct response. They are angry for real reasons. Quality of life across Canada is begining to drop. These are just some of the most entitled folk across Canada. We need to unite on verifiable issues. Not be told by foreign media.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The ones you need to worry about most aren't entitled, precisely. They're not rich, they didn't get anything out of following the conservative rules, but they're not ready to admit they were wrong and they were lied to. That's the barrier you need to get past. It's righteous anger, it's just misdirected. They need something to make them confront that, and then offer them a path to grace. Someone to say they fucked up, and hold them accountable, but there's a way to still make their lives mean something. They didn't waste it all on a bad gamble that everyone told them was a sure thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Rest of the questions don't reflect that so much...

    That just shows that they still want to be Canadian, but they also want to be racists within Canada.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Yes. It's objectively true there's more racism in western Canada than people like to talk about. It's not like Southern US bad, but it's definitely worse than anyone should be ok with.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Please don't lump all 4 western provinces together like that.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    If you're referring to BC, things get... rougher... the deeper you get into the interior. Saskatchewan literally has people who think it's OK to gun down indigenous people who come into their farm yard, and do we really want to open the can of worms that is Manitoba? Are you going to tell me you've never heard the term "Hong-couver" before? BC conservatives are fighting to repeal indigenous property rights in the province as we speak. I stand by my statement.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    do we really want to open the can of worms that is Manitoba?

    The only province with a first nations premier?

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    The more rural you get in any province the worse the attitudes get. That's something we can agree on.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Yeah, and the US had a black president once too. How many protests have there been over hydro dams destroying indigenous sites and villages? How many fights over police brutality. Wasn't Winnipeg where they literally had to go to court to get them to search the dump for some poor woman that got murdered while indigenous? Please. I may be 100% Western European, but I'm not that kind of "White" where we all pretend one election ends racism.

    There's a lot of people who still believe that race is biological. It's not, there's nothing about your physical appearance that determines anything but how fast you sunburn. "Race" is about how people who believe in biological race treat you. And like I said, there's a lot more racism in the west than anyone should be comfortable with. Probably more in the east too, but I won't speak for them.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Our immigration policy has been absolutely abhorrent. But that doesn't make it the Immigrants fault, it makes it our Governments fault.

    I'd like to see us go back to the immigration policy we had in the 80's personally. Take countries skilled professionals, not students to work at Tim Horton's. There should also be multiple different caps, on average we should be taking in about 1% of our population in immigrants per year. We should also be limiting the total number of slots so its evenly distributed amongst all nations. That way no one country gets loads of immigrants coming here, and we all get to continue with being a multicultural country.

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