In the continuing race to see who can throw transgender people under the bus most quickly, South Carolina Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate Annie Andrews has released a new direct-to-camera campaign ad in which she states that she does not support trans athletes playing in sports that affirm their gender identity.

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[–] 59 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Every political ad I've heard this year has been about how wants to allow dangerous transes into your daughters bathroom and to push all the women out of their sports. I'm so fucking sick of it. Even if trans people were a problem (they're not) there's so few of them that we would have far bigger issues to focus on anyway. I doubt most of the people hyperventilating over this shit have ever even met a trans person.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Even if trans people were a problem (they're not) there's so few of them that we would have far bigger issues to focus on anyway.

    This is what is so insane to me, the trans "issue" (there is no issue, just treat them like people) is a nothibgburger.

    There are sooooooo many more important issues, cost of living, healthcare, general safety, climate change, Russia, China and more, before ever comming close to speaking on trans policy.

    And when it does come to speaking on trans policy, I would suggest not calling ut that, just make it a part of the general policy, people need healthcare, give it to them, a healthy people is a productive and happy people, some needs more/different care, others needs less, both benefits here.

    I am no super mega awesome trans friend, but I don't see why I should hate some random people when they have done nothibg to me.

    There is enough shit going on in the world, we don't need more hate.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Conservatives don't have answers to help with any real problems, but they know the left will pull out the purity tests and turn into a circular firing squad over this and destroy themselves whole the bigots and fascists laugh all the way to the election booth.

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  • [–] 107 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    SUPPORTING Trans people is a WINNING issue? Quick! THROW Trans people UNDER the Bus!

    -LITERALLY Democrats!

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Supporting trans people is a winning issue for Democrats but it's not for conservative Republicans.

    This election specifically Democrats are hopeful they'd get votes from a large portion of traditionally Republican voters so they are pushing a bit on Trans to please Republicans but not too much that they lose their Democrat voters

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  • [–] 67 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This election specifically Democrats are hopeful they’d get votes from a large portion of traditionally Republican voters

    That's not just this election. That's been every election in my memory. They cling to this strategy, even though it keeps failing.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    This election specifically Democrats are hopeful they’d get votes from a large portion of traditionally Republican voters so they are pushing a bit on Trans to please Republicans but not too much that they lose their Democrat voters

    But at the end of the day it doesn't matter. It's what they do on all of the "controversial issues" since the dawn of time. Biden and Obama both ramped up deportations and poured more into the border than anyone before them. What did it get them... all republican voters still believe they had "open borders".

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Trump dubbed Andrews “Annie Trannie” in a social media post Monday and said she favored “Transgender for Everyone.” He also shared a commercial attacking her on transgender issues.

    In a direct-to-camera ad, Andrews retorted, “I want you to hear me loud and clear: I don’t support biological men playing women’s sports and I don’t support and haven’t ever performed gender surgery for minors.” As she speaks, text reading “No men in women’s sports” and “No gender surgeries for minors” appears next to her.

    With Republicans running the state house and senate, has two republican US senators and six of the seven house delegates are republicans this may be a stance you need to take to have a chance in South Carolina.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    No one that cares about this is going to be convinced by this remark. It gains nothing. The only response that could possibly convince them is to reject the premise. Stay on message.

    'I don't respond to immature internet bullies. No one cares about what they have to say. People are struggling and need Washington to listen to them for once instead of pushing made up culture wars. That's why in this race. I'm running to ensure that Washington spends less time and money bombing children overseas and more time and money helping Americans here at home. Food prices are too high. Home prices are too high. Healthcare prices can't even be defined until after a bill arrives. The American people are tired and want real change, not a continuation of what got us here'

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Trump's most successful ad during the campaign was against trans and he won the election.

    Democrats are only 30% of voters. Trump wants that other 70% to vote for him.

    Sure, he could be pro universal healthcare instead (he'd get almost all of that 70% if he was), but he'd lose a lot of "donations". Trans is an easy issue for him without any cost.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    We already know you're a transphobe and a conservative, so we can cut the shit where you pretend to have moderate views that you absolutely do not have.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    You're an independophobe, and everyone can tell at a glance what your political positions are on anything. Laughable cookie-cutter politics.

    You can continue thinking that the 70% of voters that don't agree with you are all right wing, but there are 40% of independents that prove you to be wrong indisputably. We're not all right wing, if we were you'd never, ever win any election ever.

    We just don't agree with you. Simpleton level math.

    (pew research, 30% of voters are Democrat, and 30% are Republican, and 40% are Independent. We don't agree with you, and you can't make us agree with you. Greens, Libertarians, Independents, Socialists, et al)

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    so it would be cool if they said "i don't support people assigned male at birth playing womens' sports"?

    what else should be considered apart from the language being used?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    No idea what point you are trying to make but what would be cool is if a bunch of hatemongers didn't get to invent new "problems" as an excuse to hate others. We shouldn't be talking about this. People like sports but that doesn't make them important enough for any politician to ever talk about. If I had it my way, if you're mad about trans people playing sports then you're too stupid to vote and would lose that right for displaying such idiocy.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I genuinely don't see why anyone cares if trans women play sports. How many trans women athletes could there even be?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Men that want to harass women don't need to transition to do that. Wtf is the logic here? Men can already enter women's bathrooms. There's no force field and stops people to going in?

    Also, do we think assaulters and rapists would want to transition? They're probably too transphobic to start.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Damn. The next month is going to be a shit show.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I am so sick of this trans focus. They are a small part of the population that does zero harm, just leave them the fuck alone. They are not the source of even one of our very real fucking problems. Any politician that mentions them should be immediately forced to resign and be barred from any leadership position for life.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yes, let us again focus on stupid culture wars.

    /s

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    Such an obvious layup: If they do this disgusting shit to this cis woman, who's next? Do you want your daughters driven out of sports by genital exams? Personal privacy! Freedom!

    Instead: hits self in head with hammer

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Democrat solidarity everyone.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago*

    She's a biological waste of space and a dumb cunt

    Apparently the Democratic Party just decides their policy based on whatever republicans say it is. Fucking losers

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    The NCAA, the WNBA, etc. are private organizations. There aren't any state or federal government-operated sports associations that I know of. Democrats fighting in deep red states like this should just turn the limited government argument on their opponents.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Any time we are letting MAGA choose the debate topic, we are losing. Either ignore it, and let it be a one-sided debate, or simply say that it's a medical subject between a patient and their doctor, and as such they have no opinion on the matter in any way, nor are they interested in anyone else's.

    Then pivot to Affordability, Epstein Files, The AmerIsraeli War®, Health Care, corruption, AI, Data Centers, incompetence, ICE, DHS, Hegseth, Miller, Noem, Markwayne, RFK,Jr, The Plague, corruption, murder, The Trump Crime Family, the Nobel Prize, SCOTUS, corruption, incompetence, etc. AND KEEP IT THERE!

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (42 children)

    I hope she loses her election.

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  • [–] [S] 49 points 1 month ago (41 children)

    The alternative is sadly a Republican, which is even worse.

    These people need to make their hate known before the midterms so they can be kicked out, now trans people are stuck waiting through 4 years of transphobic hate before they can try anything.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's absolutely bizarre how easily Trump can just lead these assholes around by the nose.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    It started when he was more popular than them because nobody likes moderate Republicans and the party was kind of in the dumpster. It's persistent because he gained a strangle holder and can threaten the primary anyone. What the Republican Party even looks like after Trump dies of old age I have no clue. It's been the Trump party for years they have to reinvent themselves

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    now trans people are stuck waiting through 4 years of transphobic hate

    This election is to fill the vacancy left by Lindsay Graham (rot in piss), in case anybody was wondering like me why it wasn't six.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Some days I think. Do I just need to run for a political seat. I mean. For fucks sake.

    Can we just get someone normal with baseline ethics ?

    I don't want to go into politics.

    It looks boring as hell and you have to listen to complaints all day and threats from corporate brats calling your office.

    And the smear campaigns.

    But I mean. Someone needs to do the job right.

    Maybe someone who doesn't want to do it is the right person.

    Idk.

    Sometimes I just think about that.

    I don't have any past b.s to be brought up. All my old nudie pics are from peak years. So even if someone shared those it would probably help me get elected not hurt me.

    Idk. Sometimes I think maybe I should just try. My whole angle would be.

    "I don't want this job. But y'all keep fuckin it up. So here we are."

    Or

    "Move aside. I'll fix it myself, fuckwits".

    I have a cynical sense of humor. Some people might relate but Id probably piss a lot of people off.

    I've been trying to tell all my friends how they need to run for local offices. Hell, half of those small positions aren't even opposed.

    easy wins. Cushy state job.

    Sit there and make it hard for people to get away with b.s. slow down the fascist. And help the progressives.

    You can do that at any level of government if you play your cards right.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The alternative is sadly a Republican, which is even worse.

    Harm reduction is when a liberal kills you politely.

    now trans people are stuck waiting through 4 years of transphobic hate

    The difference I've seen between cis-activists and trans-activists is that Trans people are done waiting.

    I see more direct action in an LGBTQ aligned street corner than a No Kings parade.

    Trans people will keep being trans. They'll keep helping each other transition. Fuck the law. Fuck the cops. And fuck any liberal fascist politician who tries to stop them.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago

    People like you live in a fairy tale, and they always will. That a mythical third party will come along and win with no work towards it, perfectly aligned to court a majority of voters. "No, the Democratic party cannot be reformed. Do not vote in the primary or participate in caucuses. Only a third party I won't name nor will I give any instructions on finding will solve our problems."

    It's, frankly, horseshit. You are the same as a fucking doomsayer saying the end is nigh, using numberology to prove it'll happen next Thursday.

    You people want to have a third party in a voting system strictly opposed to third parties. How the fuck do you plan to get those third parties elected with 5% of the vote?

    Don't get me wrong. It's great for feeling morally superior! If you never have to make a hard choice in your life, you can pretend any problem isn't your fucking responsibility, not your fucking fault.

    Anyway, this guy is either an accelerationist or an operative designed to get you to be apathetic towards voting. Just fucking vote, and do basic fucking math to realize there is no national third party that will save you. If you hate the Democratic party, join your local party and berate the shit out of them to change. That'll do more than this shit plan of voting third party ever will.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    No, I'm unconvinced. I think I'd rather have Nazis be blatant Nazis than liberals pretend they aren't Nazis while enabling Nazis.

    Edit: vote blue no matter who doesn't fucking work. It has never worked. Just look at literally any time a leftist is running, and how the establishment is works to counter them at every turn. Vote blue no matter who has only ever been applied in one direction. I don't think democratic voters should continue to reward failure and betrayal.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (26 children)

    No. Her winning is worse than the Republican winning, at least for trans people. This is an infection in the Democratic Party, and every TERF Democrat that wins spreads the infection even more.

    Just imagine telling a black person they had to vote for someone that supports segregated drinking fountains, all in the name of "the greater good.'

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    One side is literally commiting genocide against us.

    The other side is slowly leaning towards it.

    Yes it’s bad to let that leaning towards look like a winning strategy to be replicated, but that is something we can potentially fight at the next midterms. We cannot fight it however if we are all gone.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    There are two jobs voters have in this election:

    1. Get the existing fascists out of power.

    2. Prevent the Democrats from also falling to fascism.

    You cannot focus on just one. If you're focusing on just one, you are failing as a voter.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (22 children)

    Her winning is worse than the Republican winning

    Absolutely unhinged take.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (19 children)

    It isn't and they already explained exactly why. Her winning further erodes the only semblance of trans support in our government.

    How have Democratic voters still not learned that constantly "lesser of two evil"-ing the party to the right is a long term self-destruction?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (18 children)

    Voting Democrat: long term self-destruction.

    Voting Republican: immediate self-destruction. This is not better. This is worse.

    You don't have to say that a Democrat winning is "worse" than a Republican winning in order to criticize the Democrats.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (16 children)

    Once again, read the comment you originally responded to. This specific Democrat is running on a platform that has no place in the Democratic Party. If we allow it, we are worse in the long run than a Republican winning this seat.

    You should read Letter From a Birmingham Jail and try to understand which part is about you.

    Also you realize those aren't the only two choices right?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    They are the only two choices right now. No one else is on the ballot, the Senator will be Andrews or Lindsay Graham's sister.

    The time to make other choices was the primary. Andrews' two opponents each raised barely 1/100th of the campaign support, and Andrews won that primary 62:30:8. Continuously re-running primaries and making best the enemy of better is how we keep getting worst.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    In most cases I agree and that's how I vote. But it is possible for a candidate to go so far to the right on an issue that support of them is poison to the Democratic Party. The more we condone this, the further the controlled opposition slides to the right.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    Also you realize those aren't the only two choices right?

    Yes, and that fact is irrelevant to the statement "Her winning is worse than the Republican winning"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    No, it isn't. It is possible to signal an active voter is available for a better candidate. Equating not voting Dem = voting Republican is just a tired manipulation tactic (and mathematical absurdity) used by people who can't defend the Democrats any way other than "but Replications."

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    I never said that not voting Dem is the same as voting Republican. In fact, I hate that sentiment. And it is again irrelevant to this point.

    "there are better candidates than the Democrat" ≠ "the Democrat is worse than the Republican"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Sure sure, you never said it but you 100% framed it that way. If you hate that sentiment you should know full well how your comment comes across. If it's irrelevant then why did you bring it up?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (9 children)

    What??? I never framed anything that way. I also didn't bring it up, you did. I've only been responding to your points.

    My stance is that the Republican winning is worse than the Democrat winning. Not that the Democrat is the best, not that voting for anyone else is the same as voting Republican, none of these stances you have placed in my mouth.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (8 children)

    This was you. You brought up voting Republican. No one here was at all suggesting voting Republican. And you framed it as what someone is doing if they are not voting Democrat. I don't understand lying about this when it's right there?

    Voting Democrat: long term self-destruction.

    Voting Republican: immediate self-destruction. This is not better. This is worse.

    You don't have to say that a Democrat winning is "worse" than a Republican winning in order to criticize the Democrats.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    My guy and/or gal, this entire conversation is about framing the Democrat vs the Republican! It began with me saying this:

    Her winning is worse than the Republican winning

    Absolutely unhinged take.

    So, the original commenter compared the Dem to the Republican, said the Dem is worse, and I called out that specific stance. That is why me later pointing out the two is on topic, and you bringing up other candidates is irrelevant.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    But they didn't say to vote for the Republican. You did. I don't even think it's a subtle distinction but even if it is, it's a crucial distinction that cannot be as hard to understand as you're acting like it is.

    You chose that framing, stop pretending you didn't.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    I certainly didn't say to vote Republican, but you're right in that I should have said "Democrat wins =" and "Republican wins =". I think I used the word vote because your comment said Democrat voters, and I was replying to that.

    I did not, at any point, tell anyone how to vote or who to vote for. Nor meant to imply that I was.

    To clearly reiterate: my only stance in this conversation is that the Republican is worse than the Democrat winning for Trans rights, and pretty much everything else too.

    I hope that confusion has been cleared up and maybe we can find common ground in that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (4 children)

    You're right, I didn't finish that sentence. I should have said "They didn't say to vote Republican. You said that that's what we were saying."

    And now to get back to the argument: We both strongly disagree with you that the Republican winning is worse for Trans rights than this specific Democrat. That's the entire point. This specific Democrat winning erodes the only source of trans rights in our government.

    It is better for the known anti-trans Republicans to continue to be anti-trans than it is for the supposedly pro-trans Democrats to become less pro-trans. One continues the same level of anti-trans government action, the other actively increases it by normalizing the reduction of pro-trans support.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I think the disagreement is in the assumption that Republicans will continue to be anti-trans in same way or that it will be some status quo. That is why I made my comment that Dems = long destruction, whereas Republicans will be immediate destruction. And for what it's worth, I think more complete destruction. There may not be future elections with Republicans in charge.

    Now that we've cleared up the confusion in our comments, I'm happy to agree to disagree.

    Have a good day.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Where has incremental change gotten us over the last all-of-time? It doesn't work. We are currently experiencing the destruction that the Democrats have wrought. That the Republicans are the ones in power enacting it was a foretold conclusion, what we have always needed was a party that would stand up to them and fight for the people. Instead we have one that enables the Republicans and placates people into thinking they've done something by voting for a "lesser evil."

    If we had been unwilling to enable the Democratic slide to the right from the start or from any other point since we would be in a better position right now because the Republicans would have a harder time staying in power without stemming their sprint towards fascism. The best time to refuse the erosion of Democratic principles was the founding of the party, the second best time is today. That it may already be too late isn't a reason not to try.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't disagree with any of this, for the record, and why I didn't push back on democrats being the long death. But none of it changes my opinion that the Republican winning is worse. And I don't really see how any of what you've said refutes that.

    The Democrats sliding to the right is bad. I agree.

    A currently and actively further right party than that winning is worse than that. I'm honestly baffled that this is contentious. Especially after the last two years of total Republican control.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    A currently and actively further right party than that winning is worse than that. I'm honestly baffled that this is contentious.

    I don't disagree in general, though I'm certain I feel this way about more Democratic candidates than you would.

    The difference for me is that this candidate in question running on these specific stances accelerates the rotting of the Democratic Party so much that she has become the worse candidate. Not because her opponent is better in any way shape or form, but because the effect of Annie winning does harm to party positioning much more quickly than your standard corpo-Democrat.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Good sweet baby Jesus on a Pogo stick sipping on a monster energy! When one candidate wants segregated fountains and the other wants a return to slavery, it isn't rocket science!

    Are you black? Do you know how black people voted in these times? Or are you parading black people around as your morality puppet, imagining for yourself "how it probably went"?

    Edit: so you are running around screeching at people not to speak for trans people if they're not trans. But black folks? What? They are beneath care and you can speak for them?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Blue no matter who! Otherwise you’re a Nazi!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Unless, you know. The blue person is a Nazis.

    Why is it centrist dems only adhere to “blue no matter who” when it’s other centrists dipshits who want to shit on our rights?

    The right to be trans or cis or nonbinary, the right to be masculine or feminine or whatever mix you want to be is a fundamental right. And its absolutely justified to ask for representation that recognizes that.

    In fact… not demanding that kind of recognition is the kind of thing Nazis go for.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    The other person on the ballot is Lindsay Graham's sister though. Also during the dem primaries there were two other candidates who were pro universal healthcare and the dem voters picked this bitch by a landslide. It's South Carolina don't expect much from blue voters there.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    the time to be picky is the primaries or the local caucus, not the general where you're usually looking at two viable (has a shot to win) candidates; and not voting for 'your side' regardless of the 'player' is essentially giving a vote to the 'other side', because they mostly do vote in goose-step unison.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    "I stepped in some shit, clean that off, too."

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Am I out of date on definitions already? Doesn't "biological male" refer to "biological sex," which while not synonymous with sex at birth is much more closely connected to it than gender?

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Biological male is a transphobic dog whistle. And a binary application of biological sex itself isn’t good either, sex is complicated.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    What do you call a biological male that's not "a dog whistle"?

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I think a better question is why do you need to specify that?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    Not OP and I get your point but I think if people are generally trying to figure out the correct words for things, esp when those things could upset someone, we should try to be a bit less dismissive. If someone uses the wrong word for a thing in my field (and it is a case where it actually matters) I try to gently correct them. OP seems sincere here, people are curious, and both of those are things to be encouraged I think. That said, I can understand how when you're having these interactions every day it can be exhausting.

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