Really? i get handheld terminal command lines with embedded copy functions when i search for solutions to my Mint problems. It's a pretty kind and helpful community.
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I hunt buffalo, btw
Sorry to be that guy, but arch = deer.
Buffalo = nixos / gentoo / hannahmontanaOS
Sorry to break it to you, but Gentoo is a penguin.
You fucker, we're all pingus
Ehh, having used all 3 Arch and Nix are about the same level of difficulty, Nix just doesn't have documentation (or at least didn't when I was using it). Flakes make it more complicated, but those are 100% optional, and I didn't use them
Gentoo is a notable step up. Shit actually breaks there, horrendously. Still love it tho.
HMLinux does, in fact, scare me. I'm debating doing LFS, but I don't think I could handle the difficulty that HML would offer
LFS is actually a pretty good learning experience. But that depends on whether you're interested in topics like kernel configuration, filesystem organization, the boot components and boot sequence, init system, common app resources, compiling apps, and generally how a Linux system comes together. It gives you a solid grounding that's applicable to any Linux distro (not super-specific like Arch/Gentoo/Nix tend to be). But it's pretty dry stuff and you have to be really fascinated by Linux to dig into it.
On the cool side once you get through LFS you should be able to put together your own mini Linux distro and see how small you can make it and still boot and do something useful.
Yeah, I'm very interested in the user side of Linux, less so what's under the hood. There's some degree of it there, I do use Gentoo, which is more manual than any other distro I've come across, but that's about as deep as I want to go for a daily driver. I am a little tempted to do LFS on a VM once I have a computer that can handle it again
You don't hunt buff, buff hunts YOU! (Gentoo almost made me cry back in the day).
I canβt understand why thereβs so many people suggesting newbies something really complicated distro, when all they need is to start with a something really user friendly, like Linux Mint. User can then move on to other distros if they want to when their skills improve. I use Arch BTW.
Because otherwise you don't have the "true linux experience", whatever that means.
I work in IT support, and you can't imagine how completely computer inept the average user is. Like, they start crying when a button has moved 2cm to the side.
These will never be able to use a command line, let alone install their own operating system.
Yet some of these Linux evangelicals think everyone was born with a UTP cable up their arse. So they recommend what they see as "easy", but don't understand that it only looks easy to them because of the decades of experience they already had.
As long as the Linux community can not decide what distro is the best for newbies, it will never be the year of the linux.
Gatekeeping is a big problem with anything - especially as it becomes easier.
Film photographers balked at people going digital and about color grading and retouching with lightroom and photoshop.
Car people talked shit about how using an automatic transmission wasn't really driving.
PC gamers got pissy at console gamers in the 90s and 2000s for just wanting a game to fucking work without having to chase down a conflict caused by a random printer driver that made their game crash in any map with water (my actual lived experience with Battefield 1942).
Lots of old-school 3D printing enthusiasts get upset when new users don't know when to adjust their pressure advance or can't read gcode.
Doctors who worked three 30-hour shifts a week in their residency think new doctors should go through the same rite of passage.
Football players who were taught to lead into a tackle using the top of their skull think new rules implemented to prevent neck injuries and TBIs make new players pansies.
We need to understand that part of making the world better is that the next generation of professionals, hobbyists, and people in general will have it easier than us, and that's a good thing.
Car people talked shit about how using an automatic transmission wasn't really driving
... we stopped doing that? D:
It's really, really hard to find a new manual these days that isn't, like, a sports car. When I bought my little manual-transmission hatchback in 2016 I'm pretty sure I was getting the last vestiges.
PC gamers got pissy at console gamers
This is also stupid because before the tail end of the 2000s, the types of games you'd buy a PC for were different than consoles. Not to say there were no platformers on PC, but you were going with console if that was your biggest interest.
When I recommend Linux I always recommend Mint because it can be installed and set up by anyone who can read and follow half a dozen instructions. I don't often recommend Linux though, because the average user won't even read an error message before giving up.
because it's pretty hard to recommend anything you don't use. Seeking advice on a distribution in geek forums, therefore, is a losing plan right from the start. It's smarter to install whatever you want and then come to the forums with your problems.
"I heard distro xyz is really beginner friendly, i didn't use it though so i can't give you much advice on that." is pretty simple.
Maybe adding "...i'm using distro C btw" at the end if you truly want to feels important.
What's the value of this advice? You can google the same thing in about 2 minutes. People usually expect real-world experience.
It gives people place to start with, and since you're in that comminity you would very likely heard some recommendation. There were a time Google will recommend people PopOS where they're undergoing changes that makes the OS so buggy to use and not user friendly at all, as a human person that participated or heard discussion about it, you will most likely tell new comer to steer clear from it. Google won't do that.
"Just google this" is definitely the worst way to treat people who just want an easy recommendation in a sea of choices.
Nah, adding βI use Arch BTWβ is something youβre seeing in Reddit all the time. I found it hilarious, didnβt realize how literally it was taken here. I would add that actually I have used Mint for ages, but I donβt want to make you think that I want to feel important.
But distro C isn't actually easy you should use distro F for a really good new user experience!
Lol
Yeah, I totally agree. The only thing I can guess, aside from people just being assholes, is that someone with many years of experience is only thinking of what they liked after gaining that experience.
For example, if someone learned with Debian and then moved on to Arch, they think Arch is "better" and I think they are telling others to not waste their time on Debian. They are totally ignoring the fact that they spent quite a bit of time learning before they moved on and they are advising that a newcomer skip to what they perceive as "the end."
Because most Linux users online are posers who only use their computers to run update commands.
Nah, poser was my teenage self installing it on my first gen iPod nano despite not knowing so much as what cat or mv does.
I think you overestimate skills of the average computer user. Most of them donβt even know how to install operating system, even that Windows which came with their own computer. Thatβs why you shouldnβt recommend them any distro which is easy for average Linux user. They need something very simple and easy for the start up.
Even Debian is a lot harder to use than Mint if you want things like the login page recognising your external monitor and realising that it should be your primary monitor before logging in, especially if a KVM means that it wasn't attached when you first booted. Or wanting that setup to persist after an nvidia driver update. There's just so much stuff that a user-focused distro can make easy that most distros don't make easy!
can we just appreciate

In the mailing list and usenet days, people would tell you to RTFM if your question was answered anywhere in the documentation, and Linux was a thousand times harder to install back then. Never mind DMAs and IRQs, you had to manually write config files specifying the geometry and refresh rate of your monitor.
Later you had to uninstall pulse audio so sound worked. And recompile WIFI drivers with every Kernel update. Today though I can very much relate I don't want my OS to need more attention than maybe rebooting for updates once a month. That's what made macOS successful. Linux Desktop has become usable in that regard, now even vsync sometimes works.
MacOS has the advantage (that the other OSes don't) of being developed in house by the same company that designs the hardware.
And here I am rebooting windows every few days because it gets unstable. Meanwhile the Linux VM I have running on that very same windows keeps on chugging like clockwork.
you had to manually write config files specifying the geometry and refresh rate of your monitor.
Ahhh that brings me back to 2005 and my first time installing gentoo
people would tell you to RTFM if your question was answered anywhere in the documentation
Modern day internet techies will snear at you for using AI assist tools when setting up an environment. But by god, do these agents not save me endless hours of trying to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls of system configuration.
RTFM only works when the documentation is high quality and easy to follow. Better yet, if you know the manual so well, just link me to the damned chapter I'm supposed to focus in on. I'm trying to set up an *arr stack, not become a sysadmin team lead at a Fortune 500 company.
Never mind DMAs and IRQs, you had to manually write config files specifying the geometry and refresh rate of your monitor.
In fairness, a lot of those config files were relatively easy to write. I'll take that over hunting through forty different nearly-identical screens in a custom configured BIOS.
You can search the ancient scrolls for an eternity or consult the all knowing shoggoth that may melt your brain or lie.
Listen, I'm not saying Ya hai kadishtu ep r'luh-eeh Nyogtha eeh, s'uhn-ngh athg li'hee orr'e syha'h. But I get it.
K'yarnak li llll kadishtu, ngnah ah'lw'nafh Iiahe azathoth?
I've been using a local Qwen3.8 model as a NixOS sysadmin lately for a non-critical VPS. So far, it has been working surprisingly well! I guess it's easier for AI agents to gather context when the whole system and apps are defined in code, and immutable when applied.
I've been wanting to do this, even as a testbed. I just want computers to do cool shit, and am getting tired of being a Linux sysadmin in my free time. How large of a model do you have assigned to this?
Just Qwen3.8-27B. That little model is surprisingly smart.
NixOS also gives you the ability to roll back to previous config versions. I have not needed to do that (yet), but it reduces some risk.
βJustβ and a 27B model donβt exactly belong in the same sentence if you ask my wallet. πΈ
Yeahhh sorry π
I was fortunate to have bought my graphics card almost a year ago, and for a nice discount (a Black Friday sale, IIRC). I'd love to buy another, but they now cost >2x the price I paid.
FWIW, you can probably run it on CPU if you have enough RAM. I assume it will be really slow though.
Might also be worth trying Qwen3.6 35B-A3B. It's not as "smart" as Qwen3.8 27B, but can be much faster on limited resources.
that is why openbsd is valid for treating people this way, because they work so hard to keep their manuals high quality
wait you did? aww writing bootdisks was my favorite part of the 286 era.
I'm in the openbsd mailing list and they still do that, it's fantastic


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