I welcome the change. PostmarketOS doesn't really roll off the tongue
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it's on Tubu. It's literally on Heebee. It's on Poodee with ads. It's literally on Dippy. You can probably find it on Weeno. Dude it's on Gumpy. It's a Pheebo original. It's on Poob. You can watch it on Poob. You can go to Poob and watch it. Log onto Poob right now.
At first I wondered why, but after reading I think it's a fair change. I'm not sure how I feel about nura, but it's definitely fine.
Vrei să pleci dar nura nura iei
At least they didn't name it some common noun like element or matrix or signal or whatever
is Nura the singular form of Nuru, the massages I keep wondering about?
Name is already taken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXIPNw8Dnfo
Your name is already taken, too https://www.djangoproject.com/
Just kidding, I do agree this is a big issue.
i don't get it. their previous name was way better.
Have you read the article? If yes which aspects so you disagree with?
Edit: I don't want to change the original, but I didn't mean "did you read the article" as smart assert but as "is that a taste statement or something in relation to what they wrote?"
yes i did read it. the original name had pretty good recognition among linux nerds already, it's kinda long but usually shortened as pmOS so i don't see how problematic that is.
and the new name just seems too generic/unmemorable.. imagine you hear "postmarketOS running on Galaxy S10" and you instantly know its some alternate OS ported to that phone unlike "Nura on Galaxy S10". It doesn't even have "OS" in the name..
Part of the problem with reading the article to explain it, is 99.999% of people will not read the article either.
Look at the other project names. They're technical and exciting.
Nura... sounds like a health bar, or a moisturizer, a cereal at best.
Postmarket was pretty bad, but it did kind of describe the point of the OS.
Nura, nature, nurture, maybe Neura would have been braincell adjacent.
Doesn't really matter, when it can drive a camera well and give me 18 hours of battery, i'll run it.
No? It wasn't? "The OS for your e-waste" isn't a good name for an OS this good. Also the old name was long, and with Google riling up FOSS advocates and annoying a good portion of normal users with their recent decisions, this is the perfect wave of criticism of Android and endorsement of alternatives to ride with some marketing.
I'd say the logo needs a redesign too.
edit: after reading the article, I think "Nurag" or "Nuragh" would've been better, but anything is better than the old name IMO.
I thought at first the name "Nura" was from Esperanto, meaning more or less "current" or "up-to-date", but nope! It comes from the name for certain Sardinian buildings from the Megalithic period, "Nuraghe":Nuraghe - Wikipedia
"nura" does not mean "current" or "up-to-date", it means "mere", just FYI; you may be confusing it with "nuna"
Plz EU or China or someone. Base your new cool mobile device OS on this so we don't have to live in this duolopy of shit.
I have a tangential question. My understanding is that Google is requiring every Android app to be registered with them, and they're going to start blocking any that aren't. Are those apps going to continue to be installable on Nura?
Do you mean through Waydroid? Because that's how Android apps run on Nura, out of the box it's Linux and doesn't run android apps
I'm sorry, I was mixing up Nura with GrapheneOS. Since Graphene is modified Android I wondered if there might be an issue. But since Nura is not Android my question doesn't make much sense.
It only affects certified Android devices. Waydroid, GrapheneOS, CalyxOS, AOSP, etc. are not affected.
they're going to start blocking any that aren't [registered]
This is not entirely true. Phones will still allow side-loading. You just have to jump through more hoops after the update.
What you just said is impossible.
Android doesn't have any google by default, so these installs can't be forced by Google to do anything.
If anything, they will push more people to reinstall Android without Google, so they can install normal software on fdroid.
I like it!! There was a brand of headphones/earbuds/something named the same thing, that one of my partners really loved. They were really sad when it got bought out and shut down, so it's cool to see the name go to something else that's awesome.
Went from a recognisable name, to one that's you'd forget the moment you look away.
This is a really directionless project, they haven’t got a single phone that they are willing to say this is the one you should get if you want to try this software. But they did spend a year and a half rebranding.
I want this to work but FFS pick a single device and complete it enough to show people a working OS.
Reading the article I can understand changing the name. Nura might even be fine.
That said, I do not at all understand going with a .eco TLD.
I immediately think it'd be some green venture or something or other. Even .tech or something else would be far, far better IMO.
The latter one is explicitly spelled on the main article, not folk etymology. The first one was my original guess when I first opened the article.
yeah that doesn't sound like an operating system to me, it sounds like an AI startup company
That is... not a good name lol
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nura_(Rapperin)
Will be a fun one on dupes
There are now 13 English Wikipedia entries for the word Nura. This is my biggest criticism of the name. I hope it helps the project. I want a Linux phone that can run native Linux apps by default (and a few other features).
At least it is the only software project so not technically a dupe
Yep, and allows them to trademark the name, which has some legal benefit.
a proposal of 4 names for the team to choose from. Those names went through further triaging to make sure it didn't have very problematic connotations in as many languages as we could find speakers, from all continents. All of them passed the criteria
I don't think she's considered problematic.
The new name is far better than the old name. It's short, and easy to remember for non tech people. "Post Market OS" is something only geeks or tech people won't have trouble remembering.
The name is long and can be very hard to pronounce in many languages.
Who the fuck translates names? This should be a borrow word at max. Like, I would say postmarket oh es or postmarket os' (soft s), latter maybe more casually. I would NOT say "The after market operating system" in my language. If it's implying some groups are incapable of pronouncing English in any coherent way, that's just racist the way I see it.
New proposed name:
Programs, Routines and Symbolic Languages That Control/Dictate the Functioning of Physical Equipment Directly Involved in Performing an Industrial, Technological or Military Function; Designed for Controlling the Allocation and the Use Of Various Resources of Such Physical Equipment to Tasks and Remote Human Users; to be Used with Including But Not Limited to Equipment Originally Manufactured for the Purpose of Being a Portable, Wireless Telephone, Which Changes Radio Connections Seamlessly During Travel from One Radio Reception Cell to Another Without Losing the Party-To-Party Call Connection; Almost Exclusively Subsequent to the Term of Sale of Said Equipment.
One just has to translate the whole thing and it's fine, no way to mispronounce.
Many languages do not have the same set of sounds as English - a stereotypical example being Japanese, which merges L and R - and so words that use those sounds are difficult to pronounce
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Guess all my posts are outdated now but i do like the new name.
Yeah, "postmarketOS" had become a bit of a misnomer, since brand new phones can have it installed.
It worked wonderfully to get the point across; "This is an OS you flash after your phone is no longer supported"
Nura is nice, I do like it, but I doubt it'll have the same instant "Oh I get it" that the name "postmarketOS" had. I could be wrong though.
The people who understand the meaning of a post-market operative system will already have experience installing Linux on their computers, in which case postmarketOS is no longer really a meaningful description.
I got used to pmOS, but never really liked it. Loving Nura, though it'll take a while to get used to.
I wanna get to the time when instead of "after your phone is no longer supported" we can get Nura-first devices we can expect will last many many years. :D
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I have just upgraded my steam deck to CachyOS handheld.
Might be a caching issue but the banner image still shows the old name for me.
Hey, that's pretty neat! It looks like the name is based off a rock structure in Italy, representing stability :D
It's also nice that it's easier to pronounce for non-native English speakers (or as a matter of fact, non-English speakers!)
The new .eco URL is also interesting, from what I can tell it's operated by a Canadian company called "Big Room", and to register, you need to pledge that you will support positive change for the planet and you need to be transparent about your actions that could affect the environment.
We've already seem sites with the .org TLD get struck down by the U.S. government (e.g. Autistici/Inventati getting sanctioned as a "global terrorist organisation" for providing email and blog hosting services to "far-left antifascist terrorists"), so moving away from that is probably a good thing.
I don't like the green washing domain costing 60 euros a year (+60 euros registration!) when it cost them cents... This is 101 gatekeeping internet in general, but I guess it OK for them to spent that amount of money to help closing the internet to small people with not that deep of money.
And this is not coming from a hater, I participated to PostMarketOS (as dev), I like the project and want to see the project growing, but I can't stand the current "slipping into fascism" trajectory of western societies. Giving corporation full control and removing everything that made the internet neutrality (you can't own a domain unless you have quiet the money now, don't event get me started on e-mail or IPv6). Green washing is not going to help.
What about the old name was hard in German? It lacks the silent letters and bastardized French that English is known for.
The internal refactoring is going to be crazy, the amount of pm in the code base is crazy.
I just checked and for now internal everything is still pm.
Why are you renaming the project?
Through the years, most members of the team have experienced difficulties doing outreach for "postmarketOS" due to the complexity of the name. The name is long and can be very hard to pronounce in many languages. This also has the implication that it gets very hard to remember in those same languages.
The capitalization is also grammatically awkward, with lower-case "p" and "m" but upper-case "OS". We have seen Postmarketos (PostMarketOS?, PostmarketOS?, post-market OS?) written in too many ways, which is confusing to both the reader and the writer.
Finally the name is descriptive. Although that can help people understand what the project is about, it also limits the scope of the project in ways that were out-of-touch with reality long ago, for example when PINE64 sold PinePhones with postmarketOS pre-installed. What was initially an asset, became a liability after all these years. The name being descriptive also means it cannot be trademarked. We believe trademarks can be important, as it allows the project to protect users against fraudulent uses of the name, or users clearly misaligned with the project goals. A trademark for the new name has already been filled.
All in all, "postmarketOS" has served us very well, it brought us to where we are now, and will always be part of our history. At the same time, we believe that to make the project better known outside the hacker community, a rename to a name with less meaning and easier to write, pronounce, and remember would be of benefit of the project.
I like this rebrand. I didn't really like the name postmarketOS as much. Didn't dislike it, it was just that its acronym became pOS, which I disliked. Nura OS can stay Nura or can become the acronym NOS, both of which are kickass. Also, that logo is amazing. I'm hoping they succeed in their mission.
Go Nura!! I don't mind the new name, I just want the project to succeed and one day have a functioning phone running it.
Nur means light in Persian and Nura means something like "Shining" or "The one who brings light"
I hate it any time a project is renamed, however given that Polycystic ovary syndrome was renamed to Polyendocrine metabolic ovarian syndrome this year, PMOS is probably not a good acronym to use for a relatively niche operating system anymore from a SEO standpoint and it's always been a bit cumbersome to say the full name.


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