The rationale is interesting. I'm glad they kept the logo as it's recycling ♻️

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[–] 96 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I welcome the change. PostmarketOS doesn't really roll off the tongue

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    What even was the idea behind the original name? Was “Postmarket” meant to evoke aftermarket, as in an OS you install to replace the original OS that came with your device?

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  • [–] 45 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Basically, yes, but also not quite no. Market products offer you an initial baseline experience. Aftermarket products offer you an enhanced "better than the average" experience. Postmarket (or postconsumer) products are a de-growth mechanism by which you extend the life of your initial purchase beyond its planned obsolescence. There used to be a really great paper on creating circular economies that accounted for how in the reduce-reuse-recycle cycle our capitalist society has placed all emphasis on recycle when that's supposed to be the third order option behind reduce (consumption) and reuse (by extending the life of the products you already own) but I can't seem to find it anymore, but that paper was where the PostmarketOS name came from

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    No, but it was a helluva lot more obvious what it was. I guess I understand their reasoning, but it's yet another obscure name among the innumerable ones out there already.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Do you really think anyone would see the name "postmarketOS" and right away think this is a Linux distro for phones? Perhaps the "-OS" part gives it away that it's some kind of OS, but so are a lot of projects that end with "-OS".

    For example: ReactOS, RedoxOS, ChibiOS, MicroOS, TempleOS. Can you really look at any of these names without knowing beforehand and tell what it is about?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    GrapheneOS doesn't instill the same view either. I think post market was better fit than this more obscure name.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I had heard the "PostmarketOS" name in the past but it never sparked my interest, the name made me think it was an OS made for some old obscure hardware that I'm likely to not own or that I would not be able to buy anymore. Either that, or a distro meant for old PCs.

    I just found out that it comes shipped in PinePhones and that it's actually a modern OS not necessarily constrained by a specific line of legacy hardware.

    I think it's better a name with no implicit meaning than a name with a misleading meaning. All names are obscure when they just appear, I don't think "PostmarketOS" was such mainstream name.

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  • [–] 93 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    it's on Tubu. It's literally on Heebee. It's on Poodee with ads. It's literally on Dippy. You can probably find it on Weeno. Dude it's on Gumpy. It's a Pheebo original. It's on Poob. You can watch it on Poob. You can go to Poob and watch it. Log onto Poob right now.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    At first I wondered why, but after reading I think it's a fair change. I'm not sure how I feel about nura, but it's definitely fine.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Vrei să pleci dar nura nura iei

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    At least they didn't name it some common noun like element or matrix or signal or whatever

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    is Nura the singular form of Nuru, the massages I keep wondering about?

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    [–] 5 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    i don't get it. their previous name was way better.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Have you read the article? If yes which aspects so you disagree with?

    Edit: I don't want to change the original, but I didn't mean "did you read the article" as smart assert but as "is that a taste statement or something in relation to what they wrote?"

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    yes i did read it. the original name had pretty good recognition among linux nerds already, it's kinda long but usually shortened as pmOS so i don't see how problematic that is.

    and the new name just seems too generic/unmemorable.. imagine you hear "postmarketOS running on Galaxy S10" and you instantly know its some alternate OS ported to that phone unlike "Nura on Galaxy S10". It doesn't even have "OS" in the name..

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Part of the problem with reading the article to explain it, is 99.999% of people will not read the article either.

    Look at the other project names. They're technical and exciting.

    Nura... sounds like a health bar, or a moisturizer, a cereal at best.

    Postmarket was pretty bad, but it did kind of describe the point of the OS.

    Nura, nature, nurture, maybe Neura would have been braincell adjacent.

    Doesn't really matter, when it can drive a camera well and give me 18 hours of battery, i'll run it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    No? It wasn't? "The OS for your e-waste" isn't a good name for an OS this good. Also the old name was long, and with Google riling up FOSS advocates and annoying a good portion of normal users with their recent decisions, this is the perfect wave of criticism of Android and endorsement of alternatives to ride with some marketing.

    I'd say the logo needs a redesign too.

    edit: after reading the article, I think "Nurag" or "Nuragh" would've been better, but anything is better than the old name IMO.

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    [–] 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    I thought at first the name "Nura" was from Esperanto, meaning more or less "current" or "up-to-date", but nope! It comes from the name for certain Sardinian buildings from the Megalithic period, "Nuraghe":Nuraghe - Wikipedia

    Nuraghe - Wikipedia

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    Plz EU or China or someone. Base your new cool mobile device OS on this so we don't have to live in this duolopy of shit.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I have a tangential question. My understanding is that Google is requiring every Android app to be registered with them, and they're going to start blocking any that aren't. Are those apps going to continue to be installable on Nura?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Do you mean through Waydroid? Because that's how Android apps run on Nura, out of the box it's Linux and doesn't run android apps

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry, I was mixing up Nura with GrapheneOS. Since Graphene is modified Android I wondered if there might be an issue. But since Nura is not Android my question doesn't make much sense.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Totally fair, not super hard to mix up. To answer the question from what I've seen both Graphene and Lineage are not including the code to box out non credited apps. But they don't have a large enough user base to keep the devs motivated if I had to guess

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  • What you just said is impossible.

    Android doesn't have any google by default, so these installs can't be forced by Google to do anything.

    If anything, they will push more people to reinstall Android without Google, so they can install normal software on fdroid.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    I like it!! There was a brand of headphones/earbuds/something named the same thing, that one of my partners really loved. They were really sad when it got bought out and shut down, so it's cool to see the name go to something else that's awesome.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Went from a recognisable name, to one that's you'd forget the moment you look away.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    This is a really directionless project, they haven’t got a single phone that they are willing to say this is the one you should get if you want to try this software. But they did spend a year and a half rebranding.

    I want this to work but FFS pick a single device and complete it enough to show people a working OS.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Reading the article I can understand changing the name. Nura might even be fine.

    That said, I do not at all understand going with a .eco TLD.

    I immediately think it'd be some green venture or something or other. Even .tech or something else would be far, far better IMO.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    They are supporting devices deemed obsolete by manufacturers and are working towards making your phone last longer, I would say that's pretty environmentally conscious. The "eco" TLD makes sense, I think, when you look at their goals.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    The latter one is explicitly spelled on the main article, not folk etymology. The first one was my original guess when I first opened the article.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    yeah that doesn't sound like an operating system to me, it sounds like an AI startup company

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    There are now 13 English Wikipedia entries for the word Nura. This is my biggest criticism of the name. I hope it helps the project. I want a Linux phone that can run native Linux apps by default (and a few other features).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    At least it is the only software project so not technically a dupe

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yep, and allows them to trademark the name, which has some legal benefit.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    a proposal of 4 names for the team to choose from. Those names went through further triaging to make sure it didn't have very problematic connotations in as many languages as we could find speakers, from all continents. All of them passed the criteria

    I don't think she's considered problematic.

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  • Interesting, I preferred the old name though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    The new name is far better than the old name. It's short, and easy to remember for non tech people. "Post Market OS" is something only geeks or tech people won't have trouble remembering.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    The name is long and can be very hard to pronounce in many languages.

    Who the fuck translates names? This should be a borrow word at max. Like, I would say postmarket oh es or postmarket os' (soft s), latter maybe more casually. I would NOT say "The after market operating system" in my language. If it's implying some groups are incapable of pronouncing English in any coherent way, that's just racist the way I see it.

    New proposed name:

    Programs, Routines and Symbolic Languages That Control/Dictate the Functioning of Physical Equipment Directly Involved in Performing an Industrial, Technological or Military Function; Designed for Controlling the Allocation and the Use Of Various Resources of Such Physical Equipment to Tasks and Remote Human Users; to be Used with Including But Not Limited to Equipment Originally Manufactured for the Purpose of Being a Portable, Wireless Telephone, Which Changes Radio Connections Seamlessly During Travel from One Radio Reception Cell to Another Without Losing the Party-To-Party Call Connection; Almost Exclusively Subsequent to the Term of Sale of Said Equipment.

    One just has to translate the whole thing and it's fine, no way to mispronounce.

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  • 19 comments in c/linuxphones@lemmy.ca view that post
    [–] 45 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    🐱👍

    Guess all my posts are outdated now but i do like the new name.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Yeah, "postmarketOS" had become a bit of a misnomer, since brand new phones can have it installed.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It worked wonderfully to get the point across; "This is an OS you flash after your phone is no longer supported"

    Nura is nice, I do like it, but I doubt it'll have the same instant "Oh I get it" that the name "postmarketOS" had. I could be wrong though.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    The people who understand the meaning of a post-market operative system will already have experience installing Linux on their computers, in which case postmarketOS is no longer really a meaningful description.

    I got used to pmOS, but never really liked it. Loving Nura, though it'll take a while to get used to.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The sidebar has been updated💪

    I have just upgraded my steam deck to CachyOS handheld.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Might be a caching issue but the banner image still shows the old name for me.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Hey, that's pretty neat! It looks like the name is based off a rock structure in Italy, representing stability :D

    It's also nice that it's easier to pronounce for non-native English speakers (or as a matter of fact, non-English speakers!)

    The new .eco URL is also interesting, from what I can tell it's operated by a Canadian company called "Big Room", and to register, you need to pledge that you will support positive change for the planet and you need to be transparent about your actions that could affect the environment.

    We've already seem sites with the .org TLD get struck down by the U.S. government (e.g. Autistici/Inventati getting sanctioned as a "global terrorist organisation" for providing email and blog hosting services to "far-left antifascist terrorists"), so moving away from that is probably a good thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I don't like the green washing domain costing 60 euros a year (+60 euros registration!) when it cost them cents... This is 101 gatekeeping internet in general, but I guess it OK for them to spent that amount of money to help closing the internet to small people with not that deep of money.

    And this is not coming from a hater, I participated to PostMarketOS (as dev), I like the project and want to see the project growing, but I can't stand the current "slipping into fascism" trajectory of western societies. Giving corporation full control and removing everything that made the internet neutrality (you can't own a domain unless you have quiet the money now, don't event get me started on e-mail or IPv6). Green washing is not going to help.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    green washing

    From the blog post:

    The .eco domain has strong policies which prevent abuse of the domain for greenwashing,

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    The price already screams "green washing", let's see the policies:

    1- Take a simple pledge to show your commitment to environmental action.

    2 - Affirm your eligibility by sharing your eco actions and commitments.

    Yep! confirmed green washing.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I wish it was Nura OS or NuraOS.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Great, I like everything about it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    The internal refactoring is going to be crazy, the amount of pm in the code base is crazy.

    I just checked and for now internal everything is still pm.

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    [–] [S] 9 points 1 month ago

    Why are you renaming the project?

    Through the years, most members of the team have experienced difficulties doing outreach for "postmarketOS" due to the complexity of the name. The name is long and can be very hard to pronounce in many languages. This also has the implication that it gets very hard to remember in those same languages.

    The capitalization is also grammatically awkward, with lower-case "p" and "m" but upper-case "OS". We have seen Postmarketos (PostMarketOS?, PostmarketOS?, post-market OS?) written in too many ways, which is confusing to both the reader and the writer.

    Finally the name is descriptive. Although that can help people understand what the project is about, it also limits the scope of the project in ways that were out-of-touch with reality long ago, for example when PINE64 sold PinePhones with postmarketOS pre-installed. What was initially an asset, became a liability after all these years. The name being descriptive also means it cannot be trademarked. We believe trademarks can be important, as it allows the project to protect users against fraudulent uses of the name, or users clearly misaligned with the project goals. A trademark for the new name has already been filled.

    All in all, "postmarketOS" has served us very well, it brought us to where we are now, and will always be part of our history. At the same time, we believe that to make the project better known outside the hacker community, a rename to a name with less meaning and easier to write, pronounce, and remember would be of benefit of the project.

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  • I like this rebrand. I didn't really like the name postmarketOS as much. Didn't dislike it, it was just that its acronym became pOS, which I disliked. Nura OS can stay Nura or can become the acronym NOS, both of which are kickass. Also, that logo is amazing. I'm hoping they succeed in their mission.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Go Nura!! I don't mind the new name, I just want the project to succeed and one day have a functioning phone running it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Nur means light in Persian and Nura means something like "Shining" or "The one who brings light"

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  • 3 comments in c/linuxphones@lemmy.ml view that post
    [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I hate it any time a project is renamed, however given that Polycystic ovary syndrome was renamed to Polyendocrine metabolic ovarian syndrome this year, PMOS is probably not a good acronym to use for a relatively niche operating system anymore from a SEO standpoint and it's always been a bit cumbersome to say the full name.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Nice name 👏

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