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[–] 119 points 1 month ago

Absolutely fucking not

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  • [–] 85 points 1 month ago

    We're so f-ked.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    I have so many questions. How does it differentiate customers? Like say I'm standing in line just off to the side behind someone buying a few big ticket items, when the face scan happens how will it know which face to charge? Same question for a couple people checking out together. Will I have to take my hat and sunglasses off to check out or does it use other technologies to build face maps like lidar? What if I got a broken nose or fractured orbital, can I just not buy things? What about beards, if a guy scans his face initially with a beard and shaves it, how will the system respond? Is there an upper limit on purchases made this way like there is with tap to pay? What will it do about age verified products like tobacco or alcohol?

    I would bet money they didn't test for any of that and if they did it would be within very narrow parameters.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Bro, don't kill the vibes with all of this very real world shit that will actually happen. Just smile for the camera and it will all be over soon.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    The Intuit Dome in LA already does this. You grab food/drinks and it automatically charges you based on your face. And you guessed it, there have been many complaints about people getting charged for something they didn’t get. I’m never stepping foot inside that venue.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    How does it differentiate customers? Same question for a couple people checking out together.

    Airports already handle this on a daily basis:

    Cameras scan only small field.

    Will I have to take my hat and sunglasses off to check out or does it use other technologies to build face maps like lidar?

    Probably the same as face unlock in iPhones. You can check how this works and apply answers here.

    What will it do about age verified products like tobacco or alcohol?

    This is just another form of payment so it will do the same as credit card or cash.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Does it work with black people? Theres a bit of a history with facial recognition training and varying features.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Didn't apple get sued because a Chinese woman's sister could unlock her phone?

    ... Just googled it and there's multiple cases with Chinese users, including a coworker and a woman's son.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I wonder if there's a technical reason or just lack of neural network training on some communities.

    I'm specifically thinking of the nose bridge and cheeks area of people with some Asian relatives in their gene pool. The sunken nose bridge and puffy cheeks appearance is so prevalent that a lot of prescription glasses are sold as "Asian fit" so that it clears the cheeks. My partner is half Laotian and half white/Hispanic, and she needs Asian fit glasses despite not looking particularly Asian.

    I'm wondering if their facial recognition software focuses too much on the shape of the middle of the face, which could lead to close Asian relatives, who share a lot of the same genes, to be scanned as the same person as they may have the exact same nose-cheek area shape.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago

    Yeah it works great they don't even need to register, the system says they already did.

    Heck of a credit card bill, for that one guy. I wonder if theres a sneaky line in the TOS about how "best effort" is good enough and sticks him with the bill anyway.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Isn't Revolut that had a data breach like 10 days ago, leaking costumer data like IBANs etc??

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  • [–] 49 points 1 month ago

    "I saw my buddy in the mall and I hollered out 'Hey Doug!'. He looked over and paid for my lunch!". /s

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    A couple of weeks ago I posted in c/privacy about this shit in my home country. This shit should be illegal.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    I bet the false positives are through the roof.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago

    Great, now my twin can go shopping for me.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    My apartment building has a facial recognition system to unlock the door to the building. My cousin got recognized as his brother that was in the system and the door just opened for them.

    What a wonderful idea to use the same tech to deal with money.

    Cue Zooey Deschanel/Kate Perry/Emily Blunt meme

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    Not in a thousand fucking years

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  • Are we gonna have to be Juggalos now?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Oh you smiled twice! Double charged.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (6 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I can't wait until these sports and concert venues switch to FacePay only. They already refuse to take cash.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I'll pass completely then, I don't mind credit cards too much since I like to get refunds.

    I can't say my face isn't already in a bunch of countries databases in multiple countries; but I'll take the small loss to get in and out of the airport.

    Despite not completely agreeing with the method, flying into Japan is so easy now. Literately just go get my passport sticker-ed, the more stickers the less questions, look in the camera, grab my luggage, check in a podium terminal and mark that you don't have pets and find out what exit to go through, and then walk out, another camera scans your face as you walk out. I would say the only thing that's slow is the baggage claim. Korea is really bad with this one.

    I think eventually it will be inevitable. But I'll stick with cash as long as I can, not having something in your hand makes it really easy to overspend.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It's going to be great when I can walk up to someone with a Point-of-Sale app on my phone, scan their face and charge them money.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's much easier to make you smile than to force you to give up your credit card pin number when being robbed!

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    In another world without the technological horrors, this would be cool.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    how does this lower the cost? yeah it doesn't fuk off. more stealing from consumers without them knowing.

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    [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    How is their slogan not “you should Smile more”

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago*

    Fast forward 5 months: massive data breach for everyone that used the system, mischarges from others to your account with no way to get your money back, police and politicians demanding data access without a court order, etc

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Me: (carries unflattering picture of Elon musks head everywhere for no reason)

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    No one ever had those problems.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ya know I may be a Californian Redneck but I do at least with my facial features look pretty big standard ethnically Scottish, how many false positives could I trigger with my ugly mug? Regardless get one of those blowtorch lighters and melt the plastic camera lenses on these pieces of absolute detritus.

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    [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The world is catching up with China I guess

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    And Russia. It, too, had this for a few years now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Believe it or not, recently here somewhere in Ukraine, a store was built with it. Literally everybody who bothers with self checkout at all ignores the button.

    EDIT: It looked both like an ad and like a button. Given how much I mentally filter BS, it may have been an ad for something else...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Same in Russia. I have never seen anyone using it, despite capable terminals being installed everywhere. Turns out, sharing your detailed biometrics info with a bank and also authorities in an authoritarian hellhole is not very popular.

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    [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Trusting Revolut when they say that your personal data is safe... man, I'd better not

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Every online business that collects photo ID has been hacked and those IDs have been stolen. Just saying.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yes but there's a big difference between IDs and biometric data, not to mention you can (in Europe at least) revoke an ID if you find it's compromised, you can revoke an ID you can't revoke your face.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    This is the important part. Faces are immutable. Unless you're a weird celebrity, you only get one.

    Attaching your financial data and/or private data to something that cannot be changed and CAN be stolen or reproduced is a terrible fucking idea.

    While real security technologies are moving toward ephemeral, short-lived credentials to fight credential reuse and theft, we have these fucktards going in the complete opposite direction.

    Your face is NOT a password.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    No phone, or card, or cash required

    Don't forget no fuckin thanks.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What happens if I'm wearing an Aphex Twin tshirt?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Would be funny if the company is based in French.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Meet Revolut Pay with Smile, the UK's first in-store facial recognition checkout.

    Pay for your daily essentials with just a glance at the @revolutbusiness Register, using our new facial recognition technology.

    • No phone, card, or cash required.
    • Earn 3x RevPoints on eligible transactions.
    • Encrypted end-to-end. Your personal data is not shared with merchants.

    Whether your phone is dying, your hands are full, you can't find your card at the bottom of your bag, or you're just finishing up a run, checkout is now effortless.

    Which store or brand should get Revolut Pay with Smile?

    Tag them below •0

    Initial rollout in the UK with exclusive merchant, with more coming soon. 18+, RePoints & Revolut Pay with Smile T&Cs apply.

    Revolut

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    At least Amazon had the forethought to use hand veins for biometrics instead of your face. You kinda have to go out of your way to see my hand veins, but this is just a blatent face-harvesting exercise.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago

    These were great at Amazon but not being able to have a full size cart was a deal breaker.

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