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[–] 252 points 1 month ago (21 children)

I'd laugh, but this just seems like it would actually happen.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    When I accepted my current job, I did so on the conditions that I'd work 4x10 and fully from home (after training). When I started, they said there had been a misunderstanding about full WFH and that I was allowed to WFH one day a week. (That eventually changed during COVID but no one ever apologized to me for lying to me.)

    Seven years later - last year - they told me that it was "unfair" that I'm the only person who had a special schedule (apparently I was the last person to have it, but I certainly was not the only) and took that away, too.

    I live in a rural area and will not be able to find a comparable job nearby. I've been contemplating what to do.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Wanna share the plan? I'm still trying to come up with something for my boss.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    On my first job the boss was telling a story about one of his previous jobs, where at one point they had to redo a whole week's worth of work in one night. They tried hard and managed to do it. So I just added: "it's in those times one see how slow they usually work"

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  • [–] 54 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Burnout is a thing too. There’s a reason marathon runners don’t sprint.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Marathons don’t move at the speed of business though. Progress moves business faster. Commerce IS business. Fast businesses use speed to move faster than their clients speed.

    Business, business business. Speed. Solutions.

    Edit: how am I being downvoted lol - obviously what I wrote is nonsense straight from every Amazon, UPS, IBM commercial every made. Maybe I’m just moving at the speed of business. Keep up!

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  • [–] 210 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    "So we went back to five days, and now productivity is down to effectively three days, what went wrong?"

    Executives, everywhere.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    "so I started blasting firing people"

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago

    Anyone else remember the scene in Schindler's list where the Nazis make a work camp Jew show how quickly he can make a part (a hinge I think), and then look at his completed parts bin and decide to kill him because he clearly hasn't been working that speed the entire time?

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    [–] 55 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    while we know this post is fake, this is the logic capitalists use. it is the logic they hide, the lede they bury, when they report on how efficient ai will make us.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I can't tell you whether the post is fake, but I can tell you this exact situation was researched in my country and found to be correct and then was never heard from again

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  • [–] 46 points 1 month ago

    This is genuinely how MBAs think

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I used to work at a university whose education department sank hundreds of thousands of dollars into a study to find ideal lecture length to maximize retention.

    Memory's a little fuzzy... it was short. Like a half hour?

    Anyway the punchline I definitely do remember is that they got the results of the study then changed absolutely nothing

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    "We funded this study hoping it would conform to our existing world view, Alas it didnt, there for we're not changing a fucking thing"

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Thats pretty much the status quo of science under wealth inequality. I invent AI studies to confirm my biases too. The current study is "can an AI legislate better than mitch mcconnell"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Let's start with Lindsey Graham and go from there.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    All of them, and we should use the AI to spy on them and use the PATRIOT ACT data to see everything they've done in said in the last 100 years and summerize it for us. I'm totally ready to adopt this technology and use it against the people who would use it to control me.

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  • [–] 130 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    The problem is the workplaces don't want that. if you're happier and have more energy, it also makes you more uppity and harder to control. You might even find options for other work!

    If it means keeping you tired and broken, that's worth the cost of a little productivity.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    But is that really so? i would think that a better work life balance makes the employees inclined to remain at their job instead of hopping elsewhere. Probably even at the expense of a higher salary at another place that would instead demand the grind again.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Take a look at our little friend remote work. Almost all employees love it. Retention is thru the roof at places that offer it. More than half of workers say they'd even take a pay cut to keep it. Productivity isn't affected in most cases (ymmv obviously). Buuuuut guess who absolutely can't stand it? Management. They'll go to the ends of the earth to make sure you don't get it. Ask yourself why.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    It's because management doesn't only care about those numbers and stats you cited. They also have emotional needs. Like feeling important. Like being the boot.

    They also often don't really understand how work gets done. They do a lot of meetings and schmoozing and think that's how a web server gets build. They're self centered, unimaginative, idiots.

    We are ruled by the worst among us.

    Edit: I realized I already wrote the same kind of thing in this thread the other day. I'm an old broken record!

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  • [–] 57 points 1 month ago

    You're not accounting for the emotional needs of management. Many of them are cruel. They put value in making their workers squirm.

    We should have worker owned things instead of the petty tyranny of capitalism, but here we are.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago

    People, generally speaking, have an absolutely infuriating tendency to adapt to good things. They eventually look for more. The best way to prevent this, from an employer's perspective, is to break their spirit. Learned helplessness is one of the only ways to permanently keep a free person in a bad situation.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    You might even find options for other work!

    Not many other places offer a 4-day week for same salary.
    This to give up would be a major strong point..

    And to be honest...I'd actually work an hour more a day (36h week) to have a monday - thursday week just for the same or higher wage.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Lol yeah it's the exact same [facetious] logic as expecting increasing the working day from 10 ~> 20 hours to lead to increased productivity.

    It's almost like ample and adequate rest need to be baked into scheduling?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Like thinking 2 women can birth 1 child in 4.5 months...

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Holy crap are you telling me that if I impregnate 17 women at once I can have a kid in an hour? What's all this hubub about population decline hop to it people!

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Capitalism in a nutshell. Treat your employees like expendable assets and squeeze every last drop out of them

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    The only silver lining to ending slavery for the owner class was that at least now the cogs were responsible for their own room and board and etc

    *acknowledging that slavery hasn't truly, universally ended

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    It's Taco Bell logic. You love our chicken nuggets and caramel empanadas? We sold out in 3 days? Well they're discontinued so fuck you. Ok guys, sales are down and we can't figure out why, we need ideas.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This is why cruelty is the point, because they prioritize it even above profit.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    I guess at this point, with the million plus recently laid off, humanity is just lucky we ate able to leave freely and not progressed into biofuel to fun data centers slop factories.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago* (10 children)

    It's also that so much work is pointless and doesn't serve a proper purpose for humanity. Things like ads, a lot of office jobs where people sit in endless meetings, and so on.

    I think humanity has realized it's wasting our lives but we can't think of another system that will work.

    Maybe universal income but the downside of that is that it comes with AI and transhumanism, which will remove what is human about humans.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I hate how a big chunk of my work has become to write reports nobody should read. Our team produces a report every January, that gets passed to our director, that gets compiled into a yearly lab wide report, that gets combined into a 5-year report, that get sent to the government to ensure continuous funding… so much time wasted by everyone

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I'm 51 now and I learned from 25 years of working that wasting time is not a problem for large corporations or governments. Even in smaller companies, they value people being forced into office much higher than employees producing work.

    So the conclusion for me is that its just a system to keep everyone busy and conform to rules set by the corporation.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Why would universal income come with AI and transhumanism?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    If the corporate fantasy of replacing all jobs with AI were to actually come to pass, what are all the now jobless people supposed to do? Quietly wait in a back alley to starve to death?

    So either universal income happens, or the one percent learn that there's no level of technology that will overcome a two orders of magnitude disadvantage in numbers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Because the alternatives are pointless toil or perishing (spoilers: neither of these are off the table)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    You're going to have to elaborate on that. Why are those the alternatives?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It's assuming a lot, but running with the premise of bots totally replacing human workers (dubious), either workers keep working even though they don't need to (pointles toil), or they cease to exist as they last lever on power is removed (the ability to bargain by withholding their labour).

    It's silly

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I have worked in the mining industry for over 20 years. Before Covid happened my monthly schedule was set up so that we were given seven days off every month. At the end of 2021 management decided to change it so that we worked 5 days and 4 off with them saying that this was a “safer”and more beneficial to employees, since the schedule change there have been more people quitting and more people getting hurt on the job I myself along with others have voiced our opinion to go back to the original schedule and management looks down upon us as if we said a dirty word.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    7 days off a month, as in, accruing 7 days each month that you can take off later (in a bigger chunk, for example)? Or like, 3 weeks on, ~1.3 weeks off, repeat...?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    The 7 days off was built into the normal schedule monthly. The schedule was, 4 days on the 3 off, then 3 days on and 2 off, then 3 on 3 off then 4 on then a week off. The schedule was also divided into half a month day shift and half night shift.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Productivity isn't a straight line, which is where most businesses fail in their thinking. Yeah I can do five days of work in four days, with the right incentives. I can also do it in five with no incentives.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    You used to write 1000 lines per day?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I've done a thousand "real" lines in a day, but it was like a 10 hour "day," and it was just coding for the entire period. No emails, no meetings, no peer reviews, no debugging. No design or architecture work--that was all done on a previous day.

    And obviously all of that code did get tested and debugged and reviewed, but on a different day. So I can't really say that those lines were "completed" in one day.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    When I was in the navy my command did this. We were out by 2pm, 4 day work weeks and had the best productivity of the whole navy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    If people are happy, something is wrong. Misery is a virtue/s

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Just think about WFH, exactly the same logic.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Three days in office was a perfect balance for me and my team. Everyone came in Wednesday so anytime we needed in person stuff, it was scheduled for that day. Folks were happy, saving on the commute, desk space and parking was plentiful. Then higher said folks like me were to be in five days a week while everyone else was four. Cue nosedive in productivity.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I kinda see it lol, at work I see people dragging themselves to Friday. And on Friday, they'd do so much work and wrap up things that would otherwise take time. The excitement of "there's no office tomorrow" and the motivation to clock out on time on a Friday evening is like the adrenalin rush!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    as a manufacturing worker, this argument doesn't work for us. every second of our day is already mapped out anyway, we're struggling to keep the breaks we have

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    Semantics, but my interpretation is that work can be uplifting. Like yard work is work. Helping friends move is work. Working on your life drawing is work. Working out is maybe even work.

    Jobs on the other hand are what I could do without.

    But like I said, it's just semantics. I agree with you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Working for someone else's profit, someone who you don't even like, is not uplifting. That's capitalism. You spend all day building some API, the owner starts making millions, and you a few thousand in salary.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I don't understand your point. It sounds like we agree, I just consider work potentially uplifting when it's not for money. That is to say no one is paying me to do it.

    The work I do for my job is not uplifting. I just do that so I have money to pay the man.

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