I'd laugh, but this just seems like it would actually happen.
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"So we went back to five days, and now productivity is down to effectively three days, what went wrong?"
Executives, everywhere.
"so I started blasting firing people"
Anyone else remember the scene in Schindler's list where the Nazis make a work camp Jew show how quickly he can make a part (a hinge I think), and then look at his completed parts bin and decide to kill him because he clearly hasn't been working that speed the entire time?
Maybe Pizza Friday is the answer
while we know this post is fake, this is the logic capitalists use. it is the logic they hide, the lede they bury, when they report on how efficient ai will make us.
I used to work at a university whose education department sank hundreds of thousands of dollars into a study to find ideal lecture length to maximize retention.
Memory's a little fuzzy... it was short. Like a half hour?
Anyway the punchline I definitely do remember is that they got the results of the study then changed absolutely nothing
"We funded this study hoping it would conform to our existing world view, Alas it didnt, there for we're not changing a fucking thing"
Thats pretty much the status quo of science under wealth inequality. I invent AI studies to confirm my biases too. The current study is "can an AI legislate better than mitch mcconnell"
Let's start with Lindsey Graham and go from there.
All of them, and we should use the AI to spy on them and use the PATRIOT ACT data to see everything they've done in said in the last 100 years and summerize it for us. I'm totally ready to adopt this technology and use it against the people who would use it to control me.
I can believe it, last two places I've worked the primary voice in teaching decisions seems to have been timetabling. Got to maximise your room usage.
The problem is the workplaces don't want that. if you're happier and have more energy, it also makes you more uppity and harder to control. You might even find options for other work!
If it means keeping you tired and broken, that's worth the cost of a little productivity.
But is that really so? i would think that a better work life balance makes the employees inclined to remain at their job instead of hopping elsewhere. Probably even at the expense of a higher salary at another place that would instead demand the grind again.
Take a look at our little friend remote work. Almost all employees love it. Retention is thru the roof at places that offer it. More than half of workers say they'd even take a pay cut to keep it. Productivity isn't affected in most cases (ymmv obviously). Buuuuut guess who absolutely can't stand it? Management. They'll go to the ends of the earth to make sure you don't get it. Ask yourself why.
It's because management doesn't only care about those numbers and stats you cited. They also have emotional needs. Like feeling important. Like being the boot.
They also often don't really understand how work gets done. They do a lot of meetings and schmoozing and think that's how a web server gets build. They're self centered, unimaginative, idiots.
We are ruled by the worst among us.
Edit: I realized I already wrote the same kind of thing in this thread the other day. I'm an old broken record!
Mostly it's because they all own commercial real estate and are colluding with each other to keep it occupied.
You're not accounting for the emotional needs of management. Many of them are cruel. They put value in making their workers squirm.
We should have worker owned things instead of the petty tyranny of capitalism, but here we are.
People, generally speaking, have an absolutely infuriating tendency to adapt to good things. They eventually look for more. The best way to prevent this, from an employer's perspective, is to break their spirit. Learned helplessness is one of the only ways to permanently keep a free person in a bad situation.
You might even find options for other work!
Not many other places offer a 4-day week for same salary.
This to give up would be a major strong point..
And to be honest...I'd actually work an hour more a day (36h week) to have a monday - thursday week just for the same or higher wage.
Lol yeah it's the exact same [facetious] logic as expecting increasing the working day from 10 ~> 20 hours to lead to increased productivity.
It's almost like ample and adequate rest need to be baked into scheduling?
Like thinking 2 women can birth 1 child in 4.5 months...
Holy crap are you telling me that if I impregnate 17 women at once I can have a kid in an hour? What's all this hubub about population decline hop to it people!
Capitalism in a nutshell. Treat your employees like expendable assets and squeeze every last drop out of them
It's Taco Bell logic. You love our chicken nuggets and caramel empanadas? We sold out in 3 days? Well they're discontinued so fuck you. Ok guys, sales are down and we can't figure out why, we need ideas.
This is why cruelty is the point, because they prioritize it even above profit.
Crack that whip!
Give the past a slip
Step on a crack
Break your momma's back.
When a problem comes along
I guess at this point, with the million plus recently laid off, humanity is just lucky we ate able to leave freely and not progressed into biofuel to fun data centers slop factories.
It's also that so much work is pointless and doesn't serve a proper purpose for humanity. Things like ads, a lot of office jobs where people sit in endless meetings, and so on.
I think humanity has realized it's wasting our lives but we can't think of another system that will work.
Maybe universal income but the downside of that is that it comes with AI and transhumanism, which will remove what is human about humans.
I hate how a big chunk of my work has become to write reports nobody should read. Our team produces a report every January, that gets passed to our director, that gets compiled into a yearly lab wide report, that gets combined into a 5-year report, that get sent to the government to ensure continuous funding… so much time wasted by everyone
I'm 51 now and I learned from 25 years of working that wasting time is not a problem for large corporations or governments. Even in smaller companies, they value people being forced into office much higher than employees producing work.
So the conclusion for me is that its just a system to keep everyone busy and conform to rules set by the corporation.
Sure we can think of better. It's just that the only people with the power to change or implement any of it are financially incentivized not to. So they don't.
Why would universal income come with AI and transhumanism?
If the corporate fantasy of replacing all jobs with AI were to actually come to pass, what are all the now jobless people supposed to do? Quietly wait in a back alley to starve to death?
So either universal income happens, or the one percent learn that there's no level of technology that will overcome a two orders of magnitude disadvantage in numbers.
Because the alternatives are pointless toil or perishing (spoilers: neither of these are off the table)
You're going to have to elaborate on that. Why are those the alternatives?
It's assuming a lot, but running with the premise of bots totally replacing human workers (dubious), either workers keep working even though they don't need to (pointles toil), or they cease to exist as they last lever on power is removed (the ability to bargain by withholding their labour).
It's silly
Only thing that is human about humans is primitive urges, jealousy, mistakes, and irrationality.
I have worked in the mining industry for over 20 years. Before Covid happened my monthly schedule was set up so that we were given seven days off every month. At the end of 2021 management decided to change it so that we worked 5 days and 4 off with them saying that this was a “safer”and more beneficial to employees, since the schedule change there have been more people quitting and more people getting hurt on the job I myself along with others have voiced our opinion to go back to the original schedule and management looks down upon us as if we said a dirty word.
Yeah, I'd go with the option that has the least incidences. Mining is already environment prone so we don't need to add any more human error than we need.
7 days off a month, as in, accruing 7 days each month that you can take off later (in a bigger chunk, for example)? Or like, 3 weeks on, ~1.3 weeks off, repeat...?
Productivity isn't a straight line, which is where most businesses fail in their thinking. Yeah I can do five days of work in four days, with the right incentives. I can also do it in five with no incentives.
With AI 1000 lines can be written in a few mins.
Every programmer knows that more lines of code = better software. Encapsulation and abstraction are for suckers. CTRL+C, CTRL+V and you too can code like an AI.
You used to write 1000 lines per day?
Maybe in a week with a lot of copied boilerplate code and after auto-formatting, but even then probably less.
I've done a thousand "real" lines in a day, but it was like a 10 hour "day," and it was just coding for the entire period. No emails, no meetings, no peer reviews, no debugging. No design or architecture work--that was all done on a previous day.
And obviously all of that code did get tested and debugged and reviewed, but on a different day. So I can't really say that those lines were "completed" in one day.
When I was in the navy my command did this. We were out by 2pm, 4 day work weeks and had the best productivity of the whole navy.
Just think about WFH, exactly the same logic.
Three days in office was a perfect balance for me and my team. Everyone came in Wednesday so anytime we needed in person stuff, it was scheduled for that day. Folks were happy, saving on the commute, desk space and parking was plentiful. Then higher said folks like me were to be in five days a week while everyone else was four. Cue nosedive in productivity.
I kinda see it lol, at work I see people dragging themselves to Friday. And on Friday, they'd do so much work and wrap up things that would otherwise take time. The excitement of "there's no office tomorrow" and the motivation to clock out on time on a Friday evening is like the adrenalin rush!
as a manufacturing worker, this argument doesn't work for us. every second of our day is already mapped out anyway, we're struggling to keep the breaks we have
Fuck that, abolish work!
Semantics, but my interpretation is that work can be uplifting. Like yard work is work. Helping friends move is work. Working on your life drawing is work. Working out is maybe even work.
Jobs on the other hand are what I could do without.
But like I said, it's just semantics. I agree with you.
I wanted to spend a good chunk of my life volunteering.
I can hardly take care of chores with how overwhelmed I am. I will try 3 Concerta pills either Monday or Thursday
Working for someone else's profit, someone who you don't even like, is not uplifting. That's capitalism. You spend all day building some API, the owner starts making millions, and you a few thousand in salary.
I don't understand your point. It sounds like we agree, I just consider work potentially uplifting when it's not for money. That is to say no one is paying me to do it.
The work I do for my job is not uplifting. I just do that so I have money to pay the man.
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