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[–] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    The Septum Ring Theory is the social observation and slang that finds a pattern between women who wear septum piercing and a certain set of personality traits like being chronically online and holding exaggerated leftist views.

    It's frequently used as an insult in comments of sexist / misandrist women who try to disguise their hate as "wokeness" or social justice.

    There's an alternative definition that was later created by people that felt called out by this slang that claims it's the theory that some men dislike women with septum piercing because you need to be over 18 to legally obtain it.

    Yeah I can see why the theory in the OP came about if it was used to attack women in this way before.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I don't understand this phrasing, what does exaggerated leftist views mean?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Well, as usual, vagueness is a great shield and a good platform to radicalise people.

    Obviously, a collective of people will place the marker for "exaggerated leftist views" on different places. So you will see all kind of markers.

    But as usual, the propaganda material is selected, so the misogynist will look for misandrists (or a supercut that create the impression of misandry) with the "social justice warrior" optics (obviously, we are talking about the distorted perception of sjw present in misogynistic circles)

    Obviously the views of people (or the distorted version created by a supercut) tend to be quite outrageous, as it should be for "good" propaganda. Then calling these views leftist, makes the propaganda work. As now, unaware people will confirm that the views are leftist, as they assume that is what it is about. when in reality, the seemingly misandrist view is obviously not leftist, as misandry is sexism.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 months ago (50 children)

    I honestly hate these "theories" because while it's partially true I'm as left as it gets and I hate septum piercings. I'm not gonna shame anyone for getting one I just personally hate them and hate how prevalent they've become.

    I don't mind most piercings and have several tattoos myself but there's like 4 types of piercings and tattoo placements that just put me off. Doesn't mean I'm a fuckin pedophile.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago

    I'm not gonna shame anyone for getting one

    Other than being left, this is the biggest difference between you and the people the theory is referring to. Everyone is allowed their preferences and unless you're commenting on people with septum piercings there's nothing wrong with not liking them.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I used to dislike them. I think that was just because they were unfamiliar. But, I've seen many people with them now, and I think sometimes they even look nice.

    I like piercings better than tattoos. Except for the extreme ones, like gauges through cheeks, etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    At first when I read your comment, I thought you were referring to studs in the cheek, which I have actually found kind of attractive at times so I was a bit confused why you said extreme. Then I reread.

    Cheek gauges??? Wow. That’s wild.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    So… what are the other three?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Gauges, nipple rings, and clit/vaginal piercings. As for tattoos anything above the neck, above the wrists and genitalia.

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  • [+] 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    Yeah, I think most alternative aesthetic decisions tend to be signifiers of queerness to others. Subtle ways that we tell others that we're accepting.

    If that turns away straight cis men....oh well.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Depends on why they don't like it.

    I just don't like piercings in general, because, well, it pierces skin. It's like needles, which I too dislike, except this is permanent/long term.
    Imagine a piercing in sensitive area getting stuck on a thread sticking out of clothes. Yikes.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Then don't get one? But you can shut the fuck up about other people having them.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know if that's a response specifically to me, but if so, I was responding to this bit:

    maybe you just dont like women who are into other women?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago*

    I was replying to this.

    Imagine a piercing in sensitive area getting stuck on a thread sticking out of clothes. Yikes.

    Some women love that feeling of the piercings on their body. Not the getting snagged part, but how it might feel rubbing against their shirt or pants. That's why they get those piercings. If you don't like that feeling, don't get one.

    Pretty simple to just... not get one instead of casually insulting people who do.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Oh, so anything that shows that a woman has bodily autonomy. 🤣👍 sure, dude.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Or, hear me out, they just don't like them; only 1 out of 3 listed cannot be done by men (unless they are trans but let's keep the topic less broad)

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I have no meaningful opinion on them. However, now that I think about it the people I know who do have them tend to be attractive to me. That said, I don't think it's at all contingent upon the septum ring itself.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    The definition does say they dislike women with septum piercings, not the piercings themselves. So you're good. I don't like piercings in general. I was forced as a child to get my ears pierced three times and I'm still resentful.

    But others can stick whatever they like in their bodies.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Couldn't agree with you more. I'm not out here trying to yuck anyone's yum, but if a girl has a cow hoop in her nose it's an immediate turn off.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

    Is this satire? How can you "literally not understand" the perspective that the unchanged human face would be preferable for some people over literally anything you could do to it?

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Did we change the definition of 'literally'?

    F. Scott Fitzgerald did it (“He literally glowed”). So did James Joyce (“Lily, the caretaker’s daughter, was literally run off her feet”), W. M. Thackeray (“I literally blazed with wit”), Charlotte Brontë (“she took me to herself, and proceeded literally to suffocate me with her unrestrained spirits”) and others of their ilk.

    But the fact that Charles Dickens used literally in a figurative sense ("'Lift him out,' said Squeers, after he had literally feasted his eyes, in silence, upon the culprit") doesn't stop readers from complaining about our definition. We define literally in two senses:

    1. in a literal sense or manner : actually
    2. in effect : virtually

    Some of our readers are not happy about this. Here are a few of the comments left at this entry:

    Definition 2: the dictionary is literally wrong.

    This is literally the stupidest thing I've ever read.

    I literally can't even.

    Some people choose not to leave such comments on our site (perhaps they do not wish to hurt our feelings), but still want to make their displeasure clear. These people comment on other forums, as in this sample taken from a comment thread on dailykos.com:

    Considering that Merriam-Webster has redefined “literally” to mean “figuratively,” I’m going with literally.

    Our poor language, I’m figuratively about to hurl.

    Agreed! How you you [sic] agree to accept (I’m looking at you craven dictionary editors!) a word that means the exact opposite? It’s unfathomably stupid.

    Never trust anything but the OED...

    It's fine to trust the OED, but you might want to check their definition first:

    literally, adv. 1c. colloq. Used to indicate that some (freq. conventional) metaphorical or hyperbolical expression is to be taken in the strongest admissible sense: "virtually, as good as"; (also) "completely, utterly, absolutely." —Oxford English Dictionary, 3rd edition, Sept. 2011

    Aaargh! That doesn’t seem very literal at all! The dark forces of "figurative-literalism" must have gotten to them, perhaps by blackmailing the editors. Let’s look at how some other current dictionaries define this word.

    literally, adv. … 3.b. Used as an intensive before a figurative expression. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 5th edition, 2016

    literally, adverb … 2. (intensifier) ⇒ there were literally thousands of people —Collins English Dictionary

    Literally every modern dictionary includes a definition for the metaphoric or intensifying sense of the word literally. Why do we hate the English language so?

    We don’t.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I'm not even talking about the usage of literally. I just find it a really odd thing to do this "I really want others to know how invalid their view is" thing about.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    i literally cant understand this perspective. septums are great. everyone looks better with a septum. i didnt start really liking my nose until i got mine. i hope you move past your hate someday to find the beauty of the septum piercing.

    You took issue with their use of "literally not understand". They were clearly using the word literally as a figurative saying.

    They did the same thing as the commenter they replied to - where's your comment criticizing the person saying all septum piercings look bad?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    Thanks for telling me what I was thinking. Definitely not rude or weird to do at all. Now invent something else to be offended about.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Is this satire? How can you “literally not understand” the perspective that the unchanged human face would be preferable for some people over literally anything you could do to it?

    I read your comment where you clearly quote what you took issue with and all I did was reply that they weren't using "literally"....literally lol

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I attempted to correct you on what I meant however you didn't believe me which is a weird move. Might be better to not confidently assert what others did or mean unless you can actually be sure you're right.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I wasn't offended, I was offering that they didn't mean that they literally can't understand. It's on you that you got offended by me linking to discussion about the word "literally" having different meanings.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You assumed I meant something which I could understand but when I corrected that you told me I was lying. This is asshole behavior and I've had my fill. Btw I've noticed you repeatedly trying to call out people publicly without seeming to care if your accusations are even correct and you also did it to me privately once and it's always pretty abrasive. Congratulations, I blocked that community you ran me out of. No one else seemed to have a problem with me speaking there and the rules very much didn't say that either. But I tried to tell myself you were trying to be helpful even though it clearly was designed to make me feel shitty.

    I find it very strange that you see yourself as Internet police and I know other people dislike it also.

    So yeah, I won't be opting into all this anymore. I won't be seeing your replies.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago*

    Whoa, I never said you were lying. I was explaining how I read your comment and WHY I replied with the explanation of the word "literally" having different definitions.

    Congratulations, I blocked that community you ran me out of.

    You should've had womensstuff blocked a long time ago if this is your attitude. Holding a grudge this long for not being allowed in a women's only community? Really?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I really like septum piercings. Got mine done as my first piercing

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  • [+] -17 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    I’m as left as it gets

    .world

    …how did you feel about Joe Biden’s presidency? 👀

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    What does that even mean dawg lol

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    They don't like to admit it but the far-left has just as much of a toxic purity culture as maga.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    It's why I'm not on hexbear or the other leftist instances even if I mostly agree with them. Super toxic to each other.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It’s exhausting. Every thread is a game of oneupmanship about who hates capitalism and colonialism and imperialism* more. I’m not a fan, but sometimes I just wanna talk about plants or games and stuff.

    *) unless it’s sanctioned by an approved foreign entity of course

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The lemmy.world instance has a reputation that is decidedly not leftist.

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Can be said the same with tattoos and college degrees

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Afaik, unlike collage degrees, tattoos in many countries can be given to minors if there is clear parental consent.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The same with piercings, if anything a college degree is the one that you can get by yourself before 18, but thats really hard to come by

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Not super rare for a bachelors, a large university will likely have a few each year. There's even been a few instances of minors getting their PhD, as recently as early 2000s https://www.online-phd-programs.org/youngest-phd/

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    It's super rare actually. In Canada only 6 people graduated with less that 18 years from 2014 to 2025 with total 2.4M of graduates on the same period. In the UK 173 from 4.8M, way more people but still insignificant.

    Source: OECD Data Explorer, graduates by age.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    WTF is up with the apparent links in that text? I mean, maybe the author thought readers might need an explanation of "conservative," but... "one" and "Oh" ???

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I wish society was overall more accepting of piercings and tattoos. Some professional fields are way too conservative.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    At this point only old people and weirdos aren't

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    You say that but there's a lot of work places that will judge you for it, if not outright fire/refuse to hire you over it.

    This is also something men have it worse with because it's used to profile you. In some countries they'll outright arrest suspicious men due to their tattoos.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    a woman with a septum piercing can't be controlled.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    y'all ain't been around cattle. you put one of those rings in the bull's nose. then you add links to the chain depending on how nice it is. if it's real nice, it doesn't need extra rings. if it's a mean old bull what'll charge you as soon as it sees you, that 30 foot chain'll slow it down a titch, and maybe if'n you're lucky you can sneak up and hook it to a post so it can't get you.

    a woman with a septum piercing is kind. les'n she got herself a 30 foot chain attached to it

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Dude, you don't want to bring farm analogies into this, with the type of genitals you have. In your example all humans are the farm animals. Not just women. And if you mean just women should be treated as farm animals...dude. This is giving, "you want equal rights, I should be allowed to punch you". I'm sure you didn't mean to come across like one of those. Because ew.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Laws for piercings and tattoos vary widely by state, in the U.S. Some states allow anything with a signed parent or guardian consent form. That doesn't mean you could find an artist to do the procedure, but legally, it could happen.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Just reminds me of a cow, my subjective opinion.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I personally just don't find it beautiful there are other piercings that are nicer. Still is their face they can do whenever with it.

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    [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I don't have a single piercing in my body but as someone who has had a very high number of injuries, cuts, bruises and other painful events the question always forms: why?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Continuing the proud American tradition of calling your political opponents pedophiles!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I dislike septum peircings because I just think of it going back and forth while rubbing on bone. Kind of like nails on chalk board except in my nose.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If a septum piercing is done correctly (and you have average anatomy), it shouldn't be very painful and doesn't touch any bone/hard cartilage because there's what's called a "sweet spot" inside your nose underneath the hard cartilage that's thin and soft that the piercing should go through.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This is like Dr Zoidberg levels of understanding of human anatomy

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