There are ways to enforce it. Yeah, you won't be able to make everyone follow the rule, but it's the same with any law and any public policy and they're still valuable. You don't make campaigns against DUI because you expect everyone to stop doing it, as that's a nirvana fallacy, you make them because you expect them to reduce DUI.

Which tells a lot about how good they are. Slop is slop because it's bad, but a high quality PR isn't

With systems starting to move to watermarking tech a lot of them will actually be detectable.

Either way that doesn't make it a bad idea or less useful.

so the solution then is to just give up??

sorry but that's obviously nonsense, you can have unenforceable rules, god isn't going to smite you for doing so.

I think that's a commendable effort. Usually I do it the same way. Just feels massively unfair to me towards human contributors. I've seen the AI pull requests and bugreports come in. And it's very time consuming to deal with them. They're long, convoluted, touch a lot of code... There's frequently a good amount of "hallucinations" in them, because they're sent in autonomously or by people who don't know what they're doing. There might be dozens of them in quick succession as with the larger projects. They eat up time and effort which is now missing to deal with human contributions or wishes. My own opinion is: Transparency would help a lot to prioritize stuff. I mean AI isn't sentient, and as long as that holds true, I'd rather treat people with respect and the amount of attention they deserve... (In contrast to a level playing field between human and machine... Because the machines will easily beat us by sheer volume.)

"Just" like with GDPR, "just" follow the rules for personal data management. In reality, compliance stuff like that is expensive to implement.

So if you are going to require it, don't pretend it is without cost. Which is exactly what you seem to be doing.

there is Gloire OS based on the Iron Clad kernel, partially formal proofed written mostly in Ada, their git repositories can be found in Codeberg, there is Genode OS which follows Qt style GPL with caveats, where one corporate entity sells commericial licenses, and holds full copyright through CLA

Yeah it can be a bit annoying at times. I started out using Debian-based distros before systemd implementation, so Devuan with sysvinit just works for me. I'm not the sort of user who needs the latest updates on anything, so it's mostly fine. I considered checking out Slackware since it also uses sysvinit, but it's in a similar boat with updates and, frankly, I don't want to deal with its package manager lol.

That would be cool and all, but people stopped reading their code. At work if I can not explain every line of my PR, it will get rejected. I use it as a powerful tool but a lot of people just output code and think their trash belongs in production.

You're conflating open source and free software with public domain. Open source software licenses are completely dependent on software copyright. This means that if software copyright were eliminated, open source licenses would become completely unenforceable. We may be headed in this direction anyway, but I just thought I would make the point.

Llms have been great for finding and fixing bugs and cranking out code, but the systems that allow for generation of code at a direct cost of dollars as opposed to the overhead of managing and employing programmers aren’t under the intense pressure to not redo old work and so are disincentivized from either creating or contributing to open source projects.

Open weight != open source.

You can can inspect open source software. You can compile the source into binary. You cannot inspect open binary. Well, you can, but it's difficult. Can anyone ever inspect the fucking weights in a useful way? They are just bias numbers.

And all those AI models where made by requiring these companies and their data centers and their millions of dollars.

Exactly! Well said. So many idiots here who think that AI=data center.

the opposite of "enshittified" isn't "good." some stuff sucks for fresh, new reasons before it enshittifies and turns to full on exploitative rent-seeking.

for example, anthropic quietly pulled claude code from their pro subscriptions and made it a separate subscription. that's enshittification. and stupid AI bros are gonna fall for it every time.

We should all live in caves again, and wipe our butts with a handful of dry leaves.