Same reason nazis put socialist in name but promptly killed off socialists and trade unions.
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same reason america espouses freedom but then has 304830483048 laws that restrict every possible thing you can do other than go to work.
I can't speak for all nations but the Democratic Republic of the Congo was an actual democratic republic when it was named.
But it was too socialist for the US, who intervened with military force, executed the elected leader and installed a puppet dictator that was loyal to US corporate interests.
Looking it up now, Congo has removed Democratic from its name but still calls itself a Republic. A unitary executive appoints ministers, and a prime minister leads parliament. It does have multi-party elections, but, to quote Wikipedia, opposition parties are allowed, but are widely considered to have no chance of gaining power.
The current leader, Sassou Nguesso, is trying to change constitutional law so he can run another term.
Actually, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo are two separate countries that border each other.

Edit: Just to add to the confusion, there used to be more Republic of the Congos.
Looking it up now, Congo has removed Democratic from its name but still calls itself a Republic.
There's two countries called congo, the democratic Republic of Congo and Republic of Congo. Both still exist today, there was no name change.
Can't believe you'd ask this question and leave out the People's Republic of China.
Tbf I'm not excusing the CCP but they seem to be a lot better about practicing democracy / voting in council and ability to advance in politics than the others on the list, as long as your Han Chinese. Still authoritarian though.
I'm Chinese. There is a difference between what Chinese people call democracy and what traditional Western political philosophy calls democracy.
In China, democracy (民主) means government which works for the benefit of the people.
As it is defined in Western political philosophy, democracy means that the people can control the composition and decisions of their government.
This means that a benevolent dictatorship which furthers the interest of the people qualifies as democratic under the Chinese definition, even though it obviously wouldn't in the Western definition. Conversely, a government which works only for the upper class and a select elite isn't democratic under the Chinese definition, but it could be under the Western one as long as it had free and fair elections.
Nowhere is this clash in definitions more apparent than in Hong Kong. For one, the city has had a taste of democracy in the Western sense through the limited elections it had during British colonial rule. On the other hand, China doesn't see free and fair elections as particularly necessary to achieve its vision of democracy. The government is democratic as long as it does what the people want, in the view of Chinese political thought. Of course, the Western-educated Hongkongers would beg to differ.
This is just a sidenote, but the Communist Party is extremely popular in China. I believe that even if they opened the elections to people of any party and then contested them under a 100% fair electoral system with no voter suppression, nor use of security forces to intimidate opposition, I think the Communists would still win in a landslide if elections were held next month.
Getting a bit off-topic, but I also wanted to take the time here to talk about the mandate of heaven (天命), an old concept of Chinese political philosophy. I think it's a good precursor to the modern Chinese understanding of democracy and the legitimacy of governments.
The mandate of heaven is a concept that was invented to explain why imperial dynasties rise and fall. It essentially states that a dynasty has divine favour and a mandate to rule if it rules in a manner that is fair and just, and benefits the people. When a dynasty becomes corrupt and unjust in its rule, the mandate of heaven will be withdrawn and the people will revolt against it, and a new dynasty will rise up and replace it.
The concept is inherently steeped in traditional Chinese religious practices and beliefs which mostly are no longer relevant today. But I think that the mandate of heaven is nothing more than a religious way of spelling out the concept of popular sovereignty. When a dynasty rules for the benefit of the people, it enjoys the mandate from heaven. In modern political thought, we understand that a government instead derives from the people directly. But other than that, it's the same thing.
The Communist Party claimed its mandate during the Chinese Civil War when it overthrew the old dynasty (Chiang Kai-Shek) and established a new one (Mao Zedong). And as long as it continues to enjoy popular support, it has that mandate to rule. I do note that notwithstanding all of this text, both men would have found it insulting to be referred to as the leaders of a dynasty. But what was then called a dynasty is now called a republic. The fact that the post of chief of state, be it emperor, president, or general secretary, is no longer hereditary, has no bearing on the fundamental nature of it.
benevolent dictatorship which furthers the interest of the people qualifies as democratic under the Chinese definition
The government is democratic as long as it does what the people want
How does the dictator gauge the interests of the people, without democracy or voting? It's not like the CCP sends people surveys asking for feedback right?
You can suggest things to your local Party members, that get brought up in local meetings. Then eventually these might make their way into the ear of some higher-level officials with the power to make it happen.
Or, you call a hotline and complain about something. A bureaucrat then gets working on it. The national hotline is 12345 to complain about things that aren't working.
Or you post on social media and eventually, if the post becomes popular, Party officials see it and take action.
the Communist Party is extremely popular in China
Under economic prosperity. I wonder if the same will be true when the one party starts making bad decisions.
In China, they still of course describe it in broad strokes as political power belonging to the people. But when one presses deeper into it, it becomes apparent that unlike in Western liberal democracies where people can exercise that power through elections, Chinese people can't. So they instead say things like, "Well, we have people's democracy here, it works differently".
Here's a video I found which was on top of the Baidu Baike (百度百科) article on 民主: https://baike.baidu.com/video?collectionId=0&from=lemma&fromIndex=0&fromModule=lemma_top&fromPage=lemmaTop&isSensitive=0&lemmaId=291141&nid=15108339075742377209
It discusses the differences between Western electoral democracy and Chinese democracy, and the perceived shortcomings of the former.
I found his explanation of democracy in China to be reflective of fairly typical views of how people think China is a democratic country. And he uses the term 人民民主 ("people's democracy", to any non-Chinese reading this) to describe it. His examples are a farmer suggesting a welfare policy that is adopted by the Party and a food delivery driver calling the 12345 complaint hotline to get signposts replaced. To a Western viewer these are nonsensical examples of democracy; they're basic examples of the government responding to people's demands for public services. But apparently because Chinese democracy works this way, that makes it the "most effective, most genuine, most functional" form of "socialist democracy".
It sounds like that Chinese phrase is better translated as "republic", then, as the definition you give is almost exactly equivalent. Republic and democracy aren't synonymous in western political thought, although they're often linked and conflated.
Maybe people in China would know the correct definition of democracy if their "benevolent" government didn't block Wikipedia.
Chinese people know what Westerners call democracy. And they know it's not exactly the same as what they call "民主". But they don't have a word for it. Just like English doesn't really have a word to describe what Chinese people call "民主". I think it's unfair to translate that term as "democracy", as someone who speaks both Standard Mandarin Chinese and English, though neither are technically my native tongue.
If I were to coin a new term to describe it, the best I could do is "benevolent government". But then people just accuse me of Orientalism.
And I do mean it when I say that Chinese people truly believe (whether that is a product of propaganda or not is a topic of a different discussion) that their system is superior to Western liberal democracy. For what it's worth, I don't agree. Living in a country that practices Western democracy doesn't prevent people from voting in a government that does what they want, as the Communist Party reportedly does. But it does give you a choice in the event that it goes sour. And the Chinese people, as it currently stands, are kind of just relying on the Party to keep doing things that are good and popular. That's not guaranteed to always be the case, and they can't really do anything about it if it stops being that way.
民主 comes from Classical Chinese, where it originally meant "ruler" (of a people). It was repurposed I believe in the late Qing or early republican era to mean "democracy".
民 means "people", i.e. the population, the public. 主 means "host", "owner", or "master". So while 民主 originally combined those to mean one who was the master of the people, it now is interpreted to mean the state of affairs where the people are the masters.
There is a related term, 民權, "popular sovereignty", and also sometimes is translated to "democracy", but it has a subtly different meaning than 民主. It comes from 民 ("people", as before) and 權 ("power", "right", "authority"). Wiktionary doesn't have the etymology, but I'm guessing it's possibly a calque of Ancient Greek δημοκρατία (δῆμος, "people" + κράτος, "power"), possibly through one of the many European language words for democracy which derive from that, done during the late Imperial era, which is when many modern Chinese political terms were coined.
Well, that's some blatant racism. Fascinating that Lemmy is a refuge for that. Political opponents of China, clean up your yard!
as long as your Han Chinese.
Yeah? As long as your Han Chinese does what?
(it's "you're" but I'm being silly and playing with what you wrote, not attempting to correct you. I can't resist playing with typos)
The more corrupt the leaders of a country are, the harder they protest that the country is anything but.
This, by the way, applies not just to in the name of the country explicitly including an ideal, but also to harping on, and on, and on about how the country is such a great beacon of an ideal (like they do in the US and UK about being Democratic all the while having First Past The Post voting systems).
I would say that the general rule (applied to people in all situations, not just in politics) is that if you feel the need to constantly state or imply that you or your group have some great quality, you don't have it.
Hey get this, evil people lie. On purpose
You can just say whatever you want, words dont mean anything and people will just go with it. Its just marketing
Because they started off as communist revolutions
A revolution without a solid, detailed plan for how to actually run the country afterword is just teenage angst exercised at a larger scale.
"We're going to be a social anarchist commune!" does not count as a plan. It's an aspiration at best.
If there is no plan laid out, with strong community buy-in, then what always happens is that the "revolution" gets co-opted by someone to serve their own power-hungry ambitions.
and fascists took advantage of the resulting power vacuum.
Not fascists. Fascists need expansionist military conquest for the regime to survive. When authoritarian communism goes bad, it's able to survive by The Revolution. The Revolution justifies any act, no matter how brutal and misguided.
Fascism justifies itself through conquest and extermination of "lesser peoples", like the Slavs or the Palestinians.
The larger problem of projecting is universal, and worse if the west if anything. No child left behind is to leave children behind, big beautiful bill is ugly, take any republican bill, it's all opposite, which is not substantially different from these other countries having an ironic name.
It's not communist or capitalist, it's authoritarian.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
For the same reason Nazi get many has socialism in theirs. It’s called doublespeak. It’s like when Congress passed the “patriot” act to void our constitutional rights. Nothing patriotic about that
Some have "United".
Same reason it’s called “United States” and we all fucking hate each other.
Boy wait until you find out the "Patriot Act" was actually about the government spying on you. It's like politics 101 to give things names that aren't at all related, but sound good.
And what does it have to do with the subject of the post? How does it help the OP?
The subject of the post is "why do authoritarian states have words like 'democratic' or 'people's' when they are not actually democratic or for people? Yes? Would you agree with that?
Politics 101 is giving something a name that does not relate to the actual political thing you are doing. Naming a party, passing a bill, etc. The patriot act was an example i had off the top of my head.
Thought the connection was incredibly clear but I guess not.
I'll just go ahead and answer your question.
The Patriot Act has absolutely nothing to do with patriotism. In practice, it expanded government surveillance and law-enforcement powers in ways that raised serious constitutional, civil-liberties, and human-rights concerns.
It was called the Patriot Act because that's an appealing name. Nobody is going to call something the Government Surveillance and Expanded Executive Powers Act and expect people to get excited about it. The name is part of the political optics.
You see the same thing with authoritarian governments naming institutions and policies things like "Democratic," "People's," "National," or "for the Protection of the Country." The terminology is deliberately positive because governments understand that optics matter.
What I've never understood is what governments actually think their populations believe. At a certain point, everyone knows they're playing the same political game. Governments are playing political chess against one another, politicians are managing their public image, and the population is largely treated as the audience rather than a participant.
The irony is that governments seem to assume people are too stupid to recognize the obvious propaganda. In reality, most people understand that a government calling something "patriotic," "democratic," or "for the people" doesn't automatically make it any of those things.
Authoritarians love nothing more than to deny others the correct language to make progress and to write history.
They're fraudsters.
Same reason so many US Republican-created laws that restrict freedom are named after Freedom.
same as why maga says its going to make things great or make bills they call beutiful.
It’s a reflection of the state’s earlier aspirations—the justification it used to overthrow the preceding authoritarian state.
The problem is, the more drastic the social and political changes are that the new regime is trying to enact—and the more entrenched the preceding regime was—the more tempting it is to lean on authoritarian vanguardist methods to cut through the pushback. But once they start down that path, the means inevitably become the ends and everything winds up back where it started.
Is all part of the narrative. More they control it, more they look like the "good guys".
So that absolute morons can say stuff like "the Nazis were socialist, it's right there in their name"
Why does trump say he's "the peace president"? Because they are all evil fucking liars trying to confuse dumb dumbs.
Fascists, and by extension authoritarians, hate education and vocabulary, so they use the language to lie as much as they can.
Think that's a bit reductive, and an ironically manipulative use of language. It's important to remember that many of the countries which exemplify this pattern also emerged out of struggles against colonialism, and therefore contended with both the popularism of liberty and indepdence (democracy) and the inevitable response from external, imperialist powers.
So, there's some good explanations for why polities that are militaristic, itself conducive to authoritarianism, are that way since EuroAmerican imperialists don't just allow actually challenging resistance to appear in the periphery with impunity. Then, there's the fact that "post-" colonial states rarely exist over preexisting, unified cultural or ethnic spaces with a common material interest, and also must be organized into a specific, hierarchal structure to gain recognition from the EuroAmerican global imperialist order and participate in its economy. Inevitably, the political incompatibility of groups within those states leads to irreconcilable conflict, and therefore the need for any state established to defend itself from both external and internal pressures.
The reason why the US and Europe so often support authoritarian dictatorships in response to socialist -- or honestly, even liberal evolutions if they aren't favourable enough -- is because these conditions are so conducive to this form of state building, and they benefit from it even if they fail to topple a supposedly threatening government. In the same vain, the fact that you used "fascist" to decribe this, and not something that more clearly references the hegemonically liberal capitalist, EuroAmerican nature of this form of politics itself emblemizes how the production of knowledge under this system creates language that occludes the relationship between these kinds of authoritarian states and the historical processes that lead to them.
Fascists do indeed love to lie, though saying that they do so exceptionally is itself a lie. Most people under liberal capitalists systems don't even know what fascism is for that very same reason, and often construct it as synonymous with any kind of authoritarianism, or just the word you use when an authoritarian system loses its purported moral virtue. You'll notice that another commenter here made the typical mistake of associating this same behaviour with socialism or communism, which happens, but hardly happens in the same ways and for the same reasons.
And Leftists too.
Virtually every leftist project anywhere in the world has made literacy an incredibly high priority. Cuba's literacy rate went from around 70% under capitalism to 99.8% under socialism. Here's a fucking NYT article from 1976 titled, "North Vietnam Puts the Emphasis on Literacy," which says, "Since 1958 the North Vietnamese have been stressing complementary education, a fundamental expansion of the literacy campaign. . . Complementary education remains an integral part of North Vietnam's educational system." Vietnam went from sub 20% literacy under capitalism to 96% under socialism. For reference, US literacy is at 79%.
Trying to pass off leftist projects as unconcerned with literacy of all thing is one of the wildest and most bizzarely delusional claims I've ever seen anyone make on here, which is a high bar considering how many people just spew out whatever BS sounds good knowing they can dismiss anyone who fact checks them as a "tankie."
If anything, the fact that so-called "authoritarian" leftist projects were so concerned with massive education campaigns, even while dirt poor and even in the midst of fighting for survival should at least give y'all pause regarding the typical, "red fascist" bullshit. It won't, because you can just choose to ignore that pesky reality in favor of your ideological preconceptions, but who knows, maybe the NYT and Miami University are just communist propaganda.
Authoritarianism is just when the executive branch does things, it shouldn't have a moral judgement
Same reason as OpenAI, Microsoft, Fox News, etc
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