I dont think Minecraft would do too well being linear.

I like a game world that's just fun to be in even when I'm not advancing the story. Taking a break to explore is awesome, and much easier in an open world.

I'm not sure that it's *better*, but it's hilarious when you go off and do all the side quests and end up completely over powered by the time you get round to the main quest and just beat the shit out of the main bad guy without realizing that they're important.

Yes. Many. Stop playing Ubisoft checklist simulators.

Generally, good open world games have a lot more emergent content - situations that emerge from the interaction of agents and simple mechanics (in the style of how simple rules create complex outcomes in the "Game of Life") - whilst good linear games have highly curated set-pieces scenarios which were created by level designers directly.

For an example of the former, imagine you're running around the Game World looking for a special kind of plant to create a potion that you need. You come across a battle between bears and a bandit group. When they die their drops are free for the taking and both groups are too high level for you to take on your own. None of this was setup to happen when you crossed some trigger line, it literally just happened because those the entities in those groups are part of enemy "factions" and the patrol route of one group (a route which might itself be procedural rather than fixed) passed near enough the position of the encampment of the other.

This kind of thing randomly happen is just not something you get in linear games which are generally just set-pieces and even the ability to pull on group of high level enemies to another group has to be designed in (mainly by making the restricted game area big enough for it in that section and placing the groups in the right places).

This is also why in a linear game if you die and restart you get the same fights in the same places you had before up to the place were you died unless that section of the game was designed with enough alternate paths of mechanics (say, hide mechanics) that you can go around and avoid certain fights.

Emergent content is also why Multiplayer can be a lot of fun, though in this case the "agent" whose interactions can give rise to all sorts of situations are other players.

Being able to fuck around can be fun. A linear Elder Scrolls (morrowind, oblivion, skyrim) would be boring

Open world =/= giant map

Take resident evil games, Control, Batman. Some larger maps than others, but the key is open. Most of the map or level is available to you to explore how you like, with a linear story guiding you through as well, and then progression opens smaller locked areas and new levels.

RDR2, GTA, Elder Scrolls, is this a shitpost?

The benefit is the experience. The difference in experiences comes down to the level design. Are you in a maze or in a field?

The best game designs masks this in both scenarios.

The well designed linear game doesn't always feel like a maze, and has sections that feel like fields between mazes.

The well designed open world game contains mazes that you discover in a field that feels roped off into clearly defined sections that differ from each other and contain large landmarks to orient and draw you in.

Both feel bad if they don't include (at least the illusion of) the other. A linear game is boring without any choice. An open world game is boring without linear moments.

Cyberpunk 2077.

I like the linear missions, but just exploring the open world and discovering things naturally is fun too. I think they could have done more with that, and it definitely feels like the game was way more linear in early development, but with all the updates CDPR managed to make something pretty cool IMO.

Midnight club 2 was pretty dang cool.

The open world nature made the races very fun and was a big (arguably genre defining) departure from other racing games with invisible walls.

It’s had a rare combination of skill, map utilization, and novelty that made it a fun game to play

As a completionist open-world games give me progressively more anxiety. Worried I might miss something or mess up a quest line I like.

I am perfectly fine with a clean story or just don't bog me down with a growing list of uninteresting side quests. No I don't want to harvest 500 goblin dicks for a helmet that completes my set.

Last night I had a realization that the whole reason fallout 3 was given a radio is to fill the hours and hours of nothing in between locations. And also for the dungeon crawling.

When progression is properly controlled such as in fallout: new vegas or hollow knight, then a larger map can do wonders

I’m certain nearly 25% of my crimson desert playtime is climbing mountains for fun then flying back down

Anon desires the string.

The Witcher 3. Linear as hell story, super fun open world. It was literally gwent simulator for me by the time I finished that game.

Elden Ring did it very well.

Yes, but the open world has to exist in the game as a meaningful set of gameplay systems/potentialities.

There have to actually be things that could challenge you, cost you, reward you, capture your attention, present you with a secret if investigated, set off an actually meaningful chain of events, etc.

If 'open world' is implemented as simply 'big space with occasional trash mobs wholly disconnected from the rest of the game'... you have a very shitty implementation of an open world.

Open world doesn't, or I guess shouldn't simply mean 'big empty space'.

If your game has a fast travel option that you regularly or often use to skip the open world, your open world sucks.

I pretty much always prefer open world, or at least something interconnected like a Metroidvania. Linear makes me feel like my back is against the wall.

Witcher 3 is so much better than 2 or even 1 (which was also confusing).

Also, imagine Gothic, Skyrim or Dragon Age in linear.

While Crysis would be worse with a fully open world. It plays as a narrative.

I think elden ring probably couldn't be told in a smaller scale level design.

You hear about massive spanning battlefields, wars with gods, etc. Could not be correctly portrayed with a more compact level design. And the vistas are gorgeous.

Open worlds benefit the game when exploration is the point.

Genshin does have a story somewhere, but exploring the world is the real fun.

Minecraft made a bajillion dollars.

I play Fallout 4 like Sims with guns.

Also, mods.

Project zomboid? Skyrim/Oblivion/Morrowind?

Game that didn't feel like it was really made for open world: the new mario kart. I don't hate it, it just feels.. forced somehow.

The exploration of xenoblade chronicles x is what seperates it as a gaming experience compared to the numbered xenoblade games. While it is the weakest narratively, it holds the largest sense of exploration

Why not both? -your average dark souls enjoyer

I would definitely say Gothic 1 and 2. Cannot imagine the games being better without it.

Yes? Completing objectives in the order I feel like at the time can absolutely be a better experience than a forced sequence of objectives that are misaligned with how I feel at the moment.

There can be benefits of open world. When traversal is a primary mechanic and is half the fun of the game like in a lot of Spider-man and Crackdown games. When the vaste distances with little to no civilization, just natural terrains, forrests, and the occasional temple ruin and giant beast fill you with a sense of wonder and unease to set the tone of the game narrative like in Shadows of Collosus. When the world itself is a living puzzle to be unraveled like in LoZ: Majora's Mask.

The problem is when games have big maps just by expanding terrain, filling it with tedium and unthoughtful design, make traversal a slog, and make everything feel unintentionally void of life and interesting things to do/see. And narrative driven games almost always benefit from at least some linearity.

Open world plus mods. Ever heard of Skyrim?

I'll just mention Star Citizen and fetch the popcorn.

Not much. Open-world is often a design for a looooot of space without intention. It used to be a technical prowess, but now it's mostly for bland chores simulators. Generic open-worlds and mobile games have hurt game design a lot, especially in the 2010's, but IMHO, Fromsoft has saved us from that by creating a semi-open, interconnected world design that felt vast and intentional. Elden Ring was their first modern open-world and they nailed it with all that Souls experience.

Test Drive Unlimited.

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild & Tears of the Kingdom.

It's all about exploring. It would be impossible with a linear structure.