Firefox says it will keep supporting uBlock Origin even as Microsoft Edge and other Chromium browsers phase it out under Manifest V3.

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[–] 280 points 2 months ago (26 children)

I can't imagine using the web without firefox and ublock. Even the cookie consent popups are awful.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Seriously. I clear my cookies on Firefox exit because I don’t want their shit on my computer if it isn’t needed.

    This would cause me to see them every single damn time.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, the user experience of "just wipe cookies on browser exit" is a lot better than "have a million prompts all over zillions of sites".

    However, regarding "every single damn time"...some sites can have their "do you want cookies" popup just blocked by the Firefox I still don't care about cookies addon. It's not a solution for every site out there, but it'll get a lot of them.

    It's also possible to use another extension, Behind the Overlay on some sites. This does require a click, so manual action, but it tries to identify "pop-over" content that covers up the browser window and remove it with that click. It's really intended as a more-general solution to "pop-over" stuff, but cookie pop-ups often take this form and can be dismissed.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    have a million prompts all over zillions of sites”.

    I'm using Ghostery to automatically reject all of those. They pop-in and almost immediately disappear.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ghostery blocks trackers then sells data about your tracking blocking habits. It was the first tracker blocker I heard of but Privacy Badger is the better one nowadays.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Ublock Lite still works in Chrome (and it still blocks YouTube ads, not sure about cookie popups), but you get no control over the filters. Just a slider with some presets to choose from. So while better than nothing, just stick with Firefox.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    LibreWolf, WaterFox and Vivaldi

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    vivaldi recently disabled uBO and said it’d soon be unsupported. you can re-enable for now

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    I was using vivaldi and they were kind enough(seriously) to inform me that they don't support ublock anymore maybe a week ago.

    Not sure about the reason but I think that it's a technical thing the Google changed to deliberately make it easy to end ublock on a lot of browsers. Might not be the only reason(actual tech upgrades) but I believe it's part of the reason since major conspiracies seem much more likely these days.

    Anyway, I switched back to Librewolf even though it can't play x.265 files (jellyfin). Anything that kills the use of ublock is dead to me even though they have their own shitty, bullshit blocking solution. It's never going to be as good as ublock edit grammar and shit

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    It's not a conspiracy. It's been a very well published and discussed process.

    There are exceptions but browsers are either reconfigurations of firefox, like librewolf, or reconfigurations of google chrome, like vivaldi.

    Some dweeb will be along in a moment to tell us all how vivaldi is not merely a reconfiguration, but the point is ...

    google changed the manner in which plugins can interact with the web page you see. In recent months you could re-enable the old plugin interface by recompiling with a different configuration, but once google makes a change that breaks that old interface then you can't just re-enable it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Anyway, I switched back to Librewolf even though it can't play x.265 files (jellyfin).

    you should check that again, Firefox gained support for it last year.

    https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Media/Guides/Formats/Video_codecs#hevc_h.265

    check the browser compatibility column in the table. it seems maybe Firefox is the only one supporting it even for those without hardware acceleration?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Admittedly, I haven't tried too hard to get it working in any of the FF browsers lately...my unraid server blew up and it was handling hardware acceleration with a cheap intel vid card. I haven't felt like messing with until now so I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the info

    edit: no transcoding when l tried an x.265 in regular firefox. sweet

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    LibreWolf has it pre-installed and is Open-source. It worked on waterfox an Open-source fork of Firefox, last time I tried.

    As for Vivaldi I guess use Brave instead.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Brave is the money generator of a far right hate group. Fuck Brendan Eich, fuck their ad replacement scam, fuck everything Brave.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Really!!??!? I had no clue!!!!!

    I just got back into being into the open source life after going back to Ubuntu after almost 20 years later. I stopped using Ubuntu in 2009 when Pigeon was an aio instant messenger client.

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 2 months ago* (20 children)

    Is there a good small cheap repairable phone out there? I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone. And I cant experiment as much as I would want on my main phone.

    Ive almost thought about carrying a tiny burner phone then a small laptop for everything else.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

    I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone

    What do you mean? You can't use your FP4?

    I'm considering getting a FP6 relatively soon, and would be using it as my only one..

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I use android via /e/os. But I cannot experiment with my only phone. There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.

    FF is a great phone btw.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.

    That's my main concern too.

    Here in Denmark, the MitID authentification app is completely integral to functioning online, and last I checked it doesn't work on GrapheneOS, so /e/os is probably not likely either 🫤

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I got myself a physical code chip because MitID doesn't work with /e/. The code chip works great.

    The app is probably convenient, but I am also very happy not to depend on my phone to sign in to everything.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You named it the Fairphone is the best Linux phone.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You have a point.

    ...it is a really nice phone.

    I just cant afford two. First world problem haha.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I have a FP5 and a similar problem to you. My FP3 before it died on me so it's not much help.

    I'm low key planning to find a second hand FP3 and use it to experiment with Linux until I find there are no big problems with using it as a daily driver. In practice I don't really have enough time to put into it so I'll probably keep on using /e/ for the forseeable future.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Last I was aware, Linux phones work really well on Google Pixel 3as. They're no longer supported by stock Android nor still manufactured so I assume the second hand ones will be cheap.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I appreciate the response.

    I have owned two google phones. Both had hardware issues/battery issues and one almost exploded. One day it got super hot and the battery turned into a spicy pillow. Sorry but im not going to get another google phone as long as I live. Neither lasted more than 2 years.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's fair. Which models did you have? I had a couple problems with the earlier Google Pixels, but I've found the later ones have really ironed out their hardware problems.

    I think your main problem is going to be finding phones for cheap that also work well as Linux phones. I think the lowest-effort options like Pine phones are gonna cost you more. But I wish you luck.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago

    I had a 4 I think? That one lasted about a year and a half before the battery wouldn't last more than half a day. Then it bricked one day. Not sure what happened.

    The 6a was the worst. It was cheap and good at first. But then kept getting hotter and hotter...almost burnt me.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    As far as I know the Google Developer Verification BS won't reach Custom ROMs right? But yea in the long run it probably makes sense to make the jump one day or another.

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  • [–] [S] 156 points 2 months ago (19 children)
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  • [–] 110 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    No, you're a mediocre browser

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  • [–] 46 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    What is mediocre about it? What would be an example of a good browser, and what are the differences?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago

    Nothing is mediocre about it. All of the “best” browsers are based on FF’s Gecko engine. Maybe they have complaints about Mozilla or the weird stuff they’ve been doing with FF recently. But the actual Gecko engine is solid, and it’s what all the best browsers are based on.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago

    im an old web dev and im stuck in my shitty ways which includes not liking how ff is the only effing browser that takes extra effort to make the front-end look and function correctly. tbh, i do use ff on android 99% of the time, but ff on desktop breaks too many sites if you have any inkling of ff's security turned on.

    im not wrong, you all are just fanboys

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    complaints not parsed into action items aren’t worth anyone’s time.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    you assume im here to enrich your online experience. im not. parse your own shit

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    3 days later and that’s all you’ve got? No wit in that staircase. The only time you’re worth is the catharsis in telling you to kick rocks; so kick rocks.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, but it does run uBlock Origin, renders web pages just fine, can do WebRTC, and even has support for bookmarks and pinned tabs. What else do you want from a web browser?

    Chrome's advantages were in the security and performance departments. But Firefox isn't that much worse.

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  • [–] 75 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Being unable to use manifest v2 extensions anymore on most chromium based stuff has resulted in me writing off almost all browsers that are base on chromium. Kudos to Firefox for continuing to support it! Let's hope that does not change at all anytime soon.

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  • [–] 308 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    If they ever stop supporting it I will continue to use the last version to support it, any website that breaks compatibility with this Firefox version can get fucked.

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  • [–] 187 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    That’s a significant security risk, unfortunately.

    If that happens, I’d suggest a fork with a built in blocker, one that still gets security patches from upstream Firefox.

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  • [–] 117 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Exactly. Ublock origin is notable only for being part of 0 ad companies and 100% trustworthy. The blocking lists are universal. If it’s built into the browser, you’re golden

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  • [–] 55 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Well…

    With a fork, one is very dependent on the browser dev. Not just on their benevolence, but on their security practices too. And on them pulling in upstream security patches, quickly.

    TBH, this is why I do finance stuff on vanilla Firefox. I love browser forks, I really do, but I’m a bit more cautious with them, too.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The most used forks are usually larger teams tbf, not a single dev

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago*

    True, sometimes. But they don’t have the sheer manpower dedicated to security that Mozilla has, nor the institutional policies that try to mitigate losing a key/account or something like that. Also, technically, vanilla Firefox is first to get the zero-day patches before they filter downstream.

    Not that the forks are dangerous or anything, generally.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    i mean… blocking lists are universal, but the other features ublock offers are not - i'm making heavy use of ublock's dynamic filtering panel and per-site switches. one important thing i use ublock for is to whitelist which sites get javascript permissions and to get rid of remote fonts to make pages more readable. those features need manifest v2.

    if firefox drops manifest v2 and you're relying purely on those inbuilt blocking lists then you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?

    Can confirm, I was thinking about switching off of Chrome due to this but since I don't use the custom stuff (much) I'm not noticing a difference with the v3 compatible "light" version of uBlock Origin.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Librewolf would probably still support it

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    librewolf does not have much developer capacity to maintain such heavy patches. you may remember some chromium forks telling they will maintain a patch when google completely removes this API from chromium, but it seems none of them will follow through. I can't really fault them because it is likely a gargantuan task. but I'll fault them for claiming something they (should) have known they can't deliver. but my point is if vivaldi and others can't keep it, how could librewolf?

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