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Mark Carney is either a fraud or a buffoon. I don't think anyone thinks he's a buffoon.
I think everyone expects him to pay lip service to the climate while boosting oil and gas.
But he is an econ guy remember. So surely he will attack Canada's terrible productivity problem right?
Explain to me how subjecting government workers to two hours of sitting in their car each day makes them more productive. How does clogging the roads with traffic help businesses complete deliveries in a timely matter. Does it shrink spending on emergency services, and road maintenance or increase it? How about income from tourists? Who needs tourists bringing money into the local economy spending money at local businesses when they can idle their cars in traffic.
Apparently Canada needs to build data centres for data sovereignty, yet he is handing over all Canadian data to Palantir and paying for the privilege. He has not even made any lip service about getting the government off of American software. Meanwhile Europe is rapidly building and implementing its own search engines, software and moving things over to FOSS and Linux.
You were supposed to be a liberal.
Liberal doesn't mean jack anymore. He's a centrist banker, always was. He's leagues better than PP, but he's no friend of the left.
I really hope the NDP can get their shit together. Canada is looking like US politics v0.5 right now.
Carney would be a Conservative PM if the party hadn't recruited Alberta nutjobs and chose Poilievre as their loser.
Centrist? He is a conservative. And no, I am going to say he is no much better than PP. PP would have done much of the same, but he would have been making a fool of himself and the process and failing harder at it.
Carney is doing it in a bland manner and that is what makes him scary.
Yeah, I would agree that the overton window has shifted and the centre in Canada today would be considered the conservatives of the past.
I also agree that many of the policies Carney's implementing could have been put forth under a PP lead Conservative Party, but I think the damage would have been worse. As many others have pointed out, Canada takes cues from US politics and Trump style "leadership" is horribly toxic to our democracy. We have to fight to push away the idea that PP is even a viable candidate, because as soon as we do, if he wins, then that Pandora's box will have been opened.
Right now I feel as if we're peeking inside it. Ford and Smith are both populist weasels and are showing that diluted Trumpian playbooks can be successful here. I fear it's only a matter of time before we fling it open and then there's no going back. Right now we have the choice between the lesser of two conservative governments. Let Trump politics take hold and we'll be choosing between a stable conservative government and a wrecking ball, and then we can kiss any chance of leftist politics goodbye as people scramble to just maintain order.
Canada has always followed the US just a few years behind.
The whole country chronically elects MAGA premieres.
People quickly forget Doug Ford's ass kissing of Trump, or Smith waiting outside in a cold parking lot waiting to kiss the ring last year.
Yes, that's mostly true. It was before I was born, but it seems like Canada had it's own identity forged after the fighting of WWII, but that has been eroding ever since. Good ideas like CanCon tried to maintain this, but it seems largely futile against the behemoth that is the US media/economy.
We're now in this delayed lock step with the US, but I don't see why that trend has to continue. There were of course people opposed to free trade, offshoring and neoliberalism when the US took that path, but those took decades to show their full effect. The US healthcare and political system, however, are currently recognised as dysfunctional, yet we're trying to adopt them? Why?
We now have access to more data than ever before, instantly at our fingertips that shows these are bad paths to go down, but people are overloaded and don't seem to want to think long term anymore. We got a lot of traction with elbows up, and we need to find a way to keep that Canadian identity alive, otherwise everything that differentiates is from the US will continue to erode.
Trudeau was a liberal? There is no fundamental difference between these parties.
BuT yOu VoTeD fOr HiM
-- Conservatives who don't believe in climate change to begin with.
Y’all seriously thought Carney’s government would bring a socialist environmental lesbian green fantasia? This is not the NDP.
This is we get some things that are progresssive and some that are not. With Tiny PP Bring It Home we get to be a US territory.
The options are all bleak but I’m better with Carney than I would be with the Tiny PP show.
I don’t think the national NDP appeals to nearly enough people to be viable at this point
What the fuck Canada? Y’all complain about us down here, you should fix your shit.
Carney was voted in because otherwise we would have got Pierre Poilievre, the Nazi-courting, MAGA-wannabe dweeb. It was strategic voting, not enthusiasm for Carney or the Liberals. If we weren't stuck with first-past-the-post elections we wouldn't be stuck with a choice between Neoliberal bankers and maple MAGA.
Called it.
I remember when people were really excited about him winning, and they just kinda ignored he's an international banker, and therefore a motherfucker.
Can't believe a career Goldman Sachs bankster would do this.
Beginning to suspect the Labour Party is something of a misnomer.
Beginning to suspect the Labour Party is something of a misnomer.
There's no Labour Party in Canada. Carney leads the Liberal Party.
which is also a misnomer
The Liberal Party is liberal in the traditional sense:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
But the Conservative Party probably also qualifies as liberal in this sense.
Some people, particularly many Americans, use the term "liberal" to mean left-wing or progressive. The Liberal Party of Canada is not really liberal in that sense, though they make smallish gestures towards social progressivism when it doesn't impact capital.
Anybody who is a genuine Liberal would be against things which overall reduced people's Freedom, such as most Land Ownership and excessive accumulation of claims on goods, assets and services (i.e. Money).
Land Ownership reduces the Liberty of those who are born landless (who can't just choose to survive by growing their own food and building their own place to live and instead have to work for those who own all the productive assets - including Land - in a mathematically rigged environment were Ownership yields money faster than Work, to try and climb their way to ownership) and excessive wealth accumulation increased the Liberty of a few by decreasing the Liberty of many, many more people - if somebody can pay more for some shit, others won't get that shit unless its availability is infinite or close enough to it to make no difference.
I doubt there is a single genuine Liberal party anywhere - they all defend land ownership and maximizing Liberty for money in an environment where Mathematically there is a positive feedback cycle where the more the Money one has the more Money one makes, so invariably reducing the Liberty of people.
At best you could say they're genuinelly liberal representatives of Money, not of human beings.
Nope, that's what liberalism is. Americans (and Canadians) use "liberal" to refer to anyone left of center, but globally and historically liberalism refers to an ideology that promotes individual liberties, private property rights and free trade (anong other things) and posits that the sole purpose of government is to guarantee those things. This means that on the modern political spectrum, "pure" liberalism would be center-right, with varying amounts of leftwing influence spanning the spectrum from center-right to center-left. Canada's Liberal Party definitely fits.
what you state means conservatism and liberalism are basically the same… I know they are in practice but they are supposed to be dif"erent in theory at least
The thing is that conservatism is just support for established power structures, meaning it changes with time and place, while liberalism is a specific ideology/strain of ideologies. For example conservatism in 19th century America would've been pro-slavery, not limited government. Meanwhile in France conservatism would've been monarchist, and in early 20th century Europe it would've been monarchist or fascist. Besides, even in modern politics conservatism implies positions on race, sexuality and religion relations(among others) that are pretty illiberal. It's only economic policy that overlaps, which makes sense because economically liberalism is pro-capital owners, conservatism is pro-the rich and powerful and right now the rich and powerful are all capital owners.
Jeez looks like they could use some help. To bad they hate America.
I don't know why anyone is surprised
I mean, I'm surprised at just how short sighted or straight up evil so many people seem to be. At some point you'd think one of them would wake up.
you’d think one of them would wake up.
I think they’re pretty much all awake already. No one is convincing them to be like this or blinding them of common sense, they choose to act this way. Typically either because of self-centred greed or pure stupidity, or both.
Of course there’s also that quote about how people who rely on not understanding something to make a salary will never do otherwise.
Just Google oil pipelines, data centers and Brookfield Investment Capital. Carney is making bank "at arm's length".
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