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[–] 49 points 4 months ago (1 child)
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[–] 46 points 4 months ago (33 children)

Don't connect them to the Internet.

Done.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (21 children)

    Don't reward shitty practices with your money. Just don't buy them.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (20 children)

    Where can you buy a non-smart TV ? I searched a lot, there is nowhere to buy such TV for private consumers. I could find some Hotel or Hospital TVs on eBay, they are all expensive and shit specs.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There are several dumb tvs, such as the Samsung BEFX-H series and the LG UN640S. Yes, they are more expensive for the same specs, because they don't make money with ads and paid services.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    This is the reason I have a 20+ year old plasma TV. Absolutely nothing smart and still somewhat thin. Also the picture is sometimes better for movies because of how it handles blacks and contrast.

    Burns more electricity I guess. But most plasmas should be around the time of the flat TV crazy started before LED took off. Before they started making them cheaper by stuffing them full of spy software.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    You can get a smart TV and set ut up without Wi-Fi. You can do that on Google TV, Tizen and WebOS. You will have to turn off the eco mode and motion smoothing so it is not dim and blurry.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Sceptre was still offering some non-smart TVs that were quite cheap and work fine. They aren't going to be super impressive in technical specs, but they work just fine. It might be worth considering a soundbar or speakers though, as that is one place you can feel the quality difference.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    Oof, I haven't had to shop for a tv in over a decade, so I assume it will be worse when it's my time.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I got rid of my old TV that was developing purple spots when I moved to another apartment. I ended up going for a smart LG OLED tv with the specs I was looking for. Available at a good price. It's not connected to the network and boot straight to my Nvidia shield.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I've had nothing but good experiences with LG tvs

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    They have been up to pretty shady stuff as of lately, like blocking your TV if you don't accept the new terms of the user agreement which mandates sending your data to 500 and some partners. As long as it never ever gets an internet connection, it should be fine.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I bought some cheap "Sceptre" TV on Amazon 4 years ago. You're not going to be able to walk into a Best Buy or Walmart and find one, that's for sure.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    Not done, they have shown to jump on unsecured networks to phone home. That coulr be a neighbour or a guests hotspot.

    Edit: I was correctly asked to source this and couldnt, it was a few reddit posts without back up. I should have checked before posting

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    they have shown to jump on unsecured networks to phone home.

    Source?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Not the person that commented, but this fear does stem from a real thing years ago related to, I believe, Amazon Fire TVs that were using some sort of mesh functionality to get data out. It was not wide spread, and now I can't find any links about it, but I did at the time when I was worried about it and I was trying to find more information. If I am not mistaken, this was a feature that Amazon actually patented, so I don't think it would have become common anyway. I know that without a good link this is just heresay, and that's fine to leave it that way since I don't think it is still happening anyway. If anyone else can manage to find a link, please share it hear as it is interesting and can show that it isn't likely a major concern.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I mean, even if this was true and common, I dont really have an unsecured network anywhere close to my home and I imagine the same goes for most, like MOST other people as well. Thats while living in a city too, suburbs are probably even "better".

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Disable those non connected options

    You don't really believe that companies actually stop monitoring the shot out of you, right?

    Just don't connect your smart TV to the Internet. Instead get some opens source TV stick, dump jellyfin on it, make your own little library and go nuts

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Which open source TV stick do you recommend?

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    My 6yo was falling down into youtube rabbit holes of total brainrot. And then netflix started offering similar content.

    I cancelled all my subscriptions, run jellyfin, ytdl-sub, and other required stuff[tm], my TVs don't have internet access any more. Just jellyfin access. Reading this validates my decision for me.

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    [–] 62 points 4 months ago (41 children)

    Just don't connect them to the internet, then it doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Hasnt there been claims of the smart tv's automatically connecting to open WiFi to update and or send data.

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    That's why I called it a claim, I never found evidence myself, it just wouldn't surprise me if it was true.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There's claims about this, connecting automatically to open wifi is a "feature" of Android, any smart bullshit based on android can have the same behaviour.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    If those people are unaware, then make them aware. Telling them to disable telemtry instead of taking them offline completely is simply bad advice.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (13 children)

    That is why I posted, so people are aware...

    You're making them aware of the wrong things, as I just finished saying.

    People have smart TV's to use the internet

    They can still use the internet without connecting their TV to it. You just plug another device into it.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Are my comments just invisible to you? Plug in another device and use it to load up Netflix.

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  • [+] [S] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)
  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I don't understand what any of that has to do with anything? This has nothing to do with "the way I think". If they don't have one, they can get one, just like they can change their privacy settings?

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Not all people just plug in a device for things like Netflix

    I know they don't. Not all people adjust their privacy settings to limit surveillance either. That's the entire point. That's the problem.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The reality is that most people can’t be bothered or do not have the resources to set up another device to stream content and just use their TV as a projection device. OP is sharing this for those people who still want to use the smart features on their TV but at the same time get back some of their privacy. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. OP is saying not everyone is like you who would choose to disconnect your TV completely and stream from your laptop instead.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    There was some sort of scandal a few years back that some smart TVs (Samsung?) were using not just open networks (let's be honest, there usually aren't any), but other smart TVs if the same manufacturer to be able to send their telemetry. I don't know what game of that, or if that was ever made illegal (probably not).

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    What features does a smart TV provide when not connected to the internet? (serious question, I've never had a smart TV)

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I'll tell you what my 2 "smart" tvs do as they are not connected to the internet, they act as a slow to turn on display of my desktop. 27" monitor press power button, less than 10 seconds looking at desktop, 40" samsung smart tv 15-20+ seconds to see the desktop without a stupid overlay, 65" samsung 4k smart tv 30-45 seconds till desktop is fully visible.

    TL:DR NONE! Use as a monitor

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    They tend to be cheaper or have more features. The income from data harvesting subsidizes the price.

    Plus, in a lot of places you can't get dumb TVs without them being commercial displays, which have different priorities. Businesses don't really care about having 60hz, HDR, OLED, or low latency. Sometimes they don't even care about having 4K resolution.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    None? The idea is not to get more features, it's to take it offline so it can't send data about you back home. Plug in another smart device into the TV and use that for streaming and such.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Dumb tvs are still sold in some places. If it's impossible to get a dumb TV and have a pc, at that point it makes more sense to get a simple monitor and use the pc as the smart device so you actually have full control. The android boxes you connect to tvs are not the epitome of privacy either.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    I’ve been rocking a 46 inch Sony xbr 1080p tv for like 22 years. It just broke last week :(

    That thing was awesome. It had nine types of inputs, DisplayPort, hdmi, super video, dvi, rca. It even had optical audio in and out. It was a $10,000 tv when it came out and I watched it for a while until it was something like $3300 and I bought it.

    I replaced it with a 55inch Samsung for $300. The picture is 22years better :) but the rest of it is throw away junk. It will never get connected to the internet and it will never get a software update. I think this is the logical conclusion to cheap tvs, they just become 100% enshittified.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    You should maybe connect it once for update. At least check firmware update changelogs to see if anything is relevant.

    I have an LG and experienced a weird picture problem for over a year... it was infuriating. Firmware update fixed it.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You should have just returned it. If it doesn't work out of the box, you don't need it.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Well then i would need to make sure the new screen has the latest firmware.

    I dont think connecting my tv to the internet for 5mins is the end of the world. I'm not THAT paranoid

    Although i noticed that the tv made 100 dns requests the moment it connected

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Privacy issues aside, there have been a lot of instances where a TV manufacturer or other smart device manufacturer loads a whole bunch of anti-features and obnoxious advertising into the interface permanently with a firmware update, with no ability to perform a factory reset to restore it to its original state. That on its own is enough to have convinced me never to connect any expensive device to the internet unless I buy it for that purpose.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You can make the Samsung even better by turning off the energy saving to make it brighter and turning off the motion smoothing so it doesn't hallucinate extra frames in 24/25/30 fps video.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Is the picture really better though? All the new stuff has image processing crap due to refresh rate mismatches and loads of older content never got a HD release, let alone 4k. I'm never gonna stop watching stuff like Star Trek, and voyager looks like dogshit given it never got a release beyond DVD because of how they did the editing.

    Don't get me wrong, I know you can modify all kinds of settings to minimize the impact of the image processing. Turning off the processing gives you a ton of problems, and enabling the processing can work in some media but doesn't work quite right in others.

    With my home setup the difference between plex, netflix and other streaming services can be pretty big depending on the formats supported by the specific show even. It's all a mess and if you want it to be right odds are you need to really mess with it and even then you only have so many options. Getting a new TV has not been as positive as I hoped for, but i've gotten used to it and just accept that some things look kinda garbage because tweaking one thing often makes one show better, but others might not be as good as a result.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Ya, I think it’s much better to be honest. I hate all the interpolation post processing crap too, but it just turn it all off. I found the old tv has a lot more light bleed from the back panel, and the newer tvs have blacker blacks and more contrast. I do think they are significant upgrades. But everything else is a major downgrade from the number of ports, the durability, the extra crap shoved down my throat, etc.

    But if you use it just like a dumb monitor, it’s a great cheap tv.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You need to keep the frame rate matching on and motion smoothing off. On an LG you turn "Real Cinema" or "Cinema Screen" on and turn "TruMotion" off. On a Sony, you set "CineMotion" to High and "MotionFlow" on with both sliders set to minimum.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    PiHole/AdGuard on the network and/or don't connect the tv to the internet.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The correct answer is VLAN/MAC jail or no connection.

    Even DNS blocks won't stop persistent tracking which often has fallback IPs.

    Isolate it and only allow the domains you need.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Not the correct answer, because the defective products will start bugging you about lack of connectivity, and eventually can stop working.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Isolate it and only allow the domains you need.

    "*" match solves lazy domain matching and smart TV OEMs would be getting lawsuited if they failed to function without an internet connection when HDMI input is provided.

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