It goes along with how they categorize cannabis as "drug" while alcohol for some reason gets it's own special category.
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I don't think those are "gateways" though. I think the real gateway is when you try something that you're taught is vilified and told it will make you stupid and ruin your life, but then all it really does is chill you out. The gateway is realizing you've been lied to and you wonder what else was a lie so you try other things. Alcohol if anything has the opposite problem.
100%. There's also the fact that when weed is illegal, the only way to get it is through someone who likely sells other illegal substances so it's not hard to start messing around with other things after smoking for a bit.
Weed is only a gateway drug when its illegal
Crazy I had to scroll down this far for the reason it's actually called a gateway drug.
The classification of cannabis changed to incarnate more black people. It's a historical fact and it's sad that many people don't know that.
incarnate
Either you mean incarcerate, or else it is one hell of a gateway
Yeah, sorry. I'm tired and English isn't my mother tongue.
I smoked pot and now I have a new isekai life with superpowers and a band of roaming catgirl assassins who enforce my will upon an otherwise cruel, dark, and corrupt world in an alternate dimension.
This could happen to you.
I believe originally, it was used to incarcerate Latin Americans, hence the naming of "Marihuana" and later, "Marijuana" to make it sound more Spanish.
Just gonna drop this quote form a Nixon aide here:
"You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did"
The war on drugs was a war on blacks and anti-Vietnam activists.
It wasn't just race, it was Black People and anyone else that associated with them. If someone went against authority and smoked weed, they were a danger to authority.
It was a litmus test
But pretty fucking close for .ml account
I believe that sugar and caffeine are the real gateway drugs, they are the 1st chemical compounds many people are addicted to.
Gateway to what? Harder cookies? A double shot of espresso? They're definitely drugs, but I think to call them a gateway isn't so accurate.
"Gateway" is subjective, but sugar is certainly the first substance people encounter that influences cognitive behavior. Consume this thing and feel this way.
Of course that doesn't mean you're going to go and shoot up some heroin, but both are certainly "addictive".
And salt and fat
Both of those are biologically necessary. So if we’re going that route, oxygen.
You can live just fine without consuming sugar or caffeine.
Sugar is a bit of a stretch, since we also do need it. We just get it in a lot of food, since a lot of the foods we eat also need sugar to grow and do things.
We do need a small amount of glucose, that’s why I was specific that we don’t need to consume it. We can make the amount we actually need from the protein we eat.
Whether that’s ideal or not is a separate conversation, but we can live our whole lives without consuming sugar or carbs.
We’d literally die if we didn’t eat salt or fat.
https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/ask-dietitian-can-you-survive-without-carbs/
Can you survive without any carbs in your diet? An army of zero-carb-diet social media influencers seem to think so.
EDIT: To clarify, my whole point in this thread has been that you can get addicted to salt and fat, both of which are things you need. I don't know why the fuck anyone would want to ramble about whether you can "fully quit carbs". Maybe the best question here is "Why would you and why are you even talking about it?". Again: you can get addicted to things you need. Consuming it in excess is what makes it an addiction. There's no rule that says you can only get addicted to things you want but not need
Dude... they're literally banning fast-food ads in the UK. This is no time to get pedantic haha
You can absolutely get addicted to salt and fat
And we do need sugar... Carbs are sugar. You need carbs
Don't take this personally but it kinda sucks you got upvoted this much
EDIT: Lots of morbidly obese Americans here. Sorry I offended your gods, salt and fat. Oh and get off the internet every once in a while. There's too many of you here and 90% of your opinions are moronic.
Been smoking weed for over 50 years and I never found that gate!
Caffeine: am I a joke to you?
Apparentely it's only considered a dependence and not an addiction, even though there are a lot of discussions about it.
Pathologically reinforced caffeine use induces dependence, but not an addiction.[13] For a drug to induce an addiction from repeated use at sufficiently high doses, it must activate the brain's reward circuitry, particularly the mesolimbic pathway.[13]
Person 1: You know what? You're right. They should all be deregulated.
Person 2: You know what? You're right. They should all be illegal.
The gateway is having to deal with shitty people that used to be in those crowds.
Its becoming less of an issue as more people use it responsibly like social drinkers and you dont have to deal with a complete waste of space to society to get it or be around others who partake.
Reefer madness is bullshit, but its also not 100% harmless either. Chronic use of THC still almost certainly causes GABA disregulation for instance.
You have a stupid majority who act like weed is just as bad as heroine and meth and THE gateway drug, but the potheads who are just horrible people spouting about how its completely harmless aren't helping the cause either.
The war on drugs has always been bullshit. I wonder how many bosses have said "drug free workplace" or principals saying "drug free campus" while holding a cup of coffee.
I'm not for prohibition whatsoever, but have you seen the difference between someone who chose coffee as their drug of choice and spend decades drinking it versus smoking meth?
I'm making fun of all the propaganda.
For example: Someone who is against the justice system as it is isn't advocating for murder to be legal.
Depends if they're using an intoxicating amount as well. Plenty of folks around on a dose of amphetamines that would have you and me stimming our brains out. For work that doesn't involve dangerous machines or the safety of others, I say, As long as I can't tell you're high on something and it's not effecting your work, whatever makes your day more enjoyable have at.
"Someone had to say it"
-some guy, not even within the first 10 people to say it
Calling alcohol and nicotine the first substances that most people abuse when caffeine exists is the biggest win in propaganda history.
No one has ever said “man I love coffee, I should try ecstasy next!” Lol
You don't know my life
I'm sure more than a few people have said "coffee ain't doin' it for me anymore; I should try cocaine or meth," though.
nobody has said it because the same person never sold both
if you had to go to the ecstasy guy to buy your coffee too, then you'd be much more likely to try ecstasy as well
What? I’m confused at what point you’re trying to make lol
imagine a scenario, coffee is illegal. you can't buy it in a normal shop, but the same guy that sells every other illegal substance has it. and you have to go to that guy to buy some coffee
even though coffee is not similar in its effect to any harder drug by going out to buy it you're gaining the skill of obtaining illegal substances, and also put yourself in a place where you can get a variety of them
as you're buying your coffee your drug dealer tells you "try this, it'll make you feel really good" and you know what? society's already lied to you about coffee being bad, maybe they're lying about the ecstasy thing too, you already trust this guy, he's been selling you good coffee, so might as well try something new and exciting too eh?
and to be even more blunt, what i'm trying to say is that it's not the substance itself that makes a drug be a "gateway" it's the way you obtain it
if weed was perfectly legal and sold freely then it would not longer be a gateway drug, because as you try it you don't gain the experience and skill of obtaining illegal substances, nor do you get placed in a position where you can grab something extra with your purchase
Damn dude that’s a lot of text but I can’t take anyone seriously who thinks coffee can in any way shape or form lead to drug use lmao idc how well thought out your thesis is, it’s an insane hypothesis.
Caffeine has plenty of health benefits also. Forcing the working class to rely on it to survive is bad, but whatever you’re saying is ridiculous.
i suggest you actually read what i wrote, instead of making yourself look like a fool
OK so you don't know any truckers and the soccer moms are hiding it... check out the caffeine treats by the till next time you roll through a truck stop. Don’t buy any though, it's brutal. So yeah stimulants are used widely, lead one to another as habituation and escalation kicks in and self-medicating goes off the rails for many.
No but people have said if you take ten wake me ups (caffeine pills) it feels like cocaine
So this is what coke is like
These caffeine pills dont do that for me anymore
Maybe I should try coke
Source: my social circle in high school
I didn't drink coffee until I was thirty.
How about soda?
Not by choice. I guess in a float, but root beer isn't caffeinated. I preferred herbal tea. I was a very edgy child.
Coffee isn’t really a mind-altering drug in the same way, and people take it for it’s effects recreationally. Getting drunk, though? It’s not for me, but people do that for fun, and then look to other ways to have fun in the same kinda way. All the sudden…
There is a whole merchandise category about people not being able to function without coffee but I've never seen a mug that says "don't talk to me unless I've bumped a rail"
It 100% is a mind-altering drug, a body-altering one too. You can get super fucked up from caffeine, and overdose to a point of death (which you can't with cannabis). Caffeine has little effect on me and many others but it has major effect on a big part of humanity (and other living beings). Some can't drink coffee or energy drinks because it fuckes them up so much, and others get so addicted that they ruin their health from it.
Alcohol and nicotine are the first step in the path of despair. But cannabis is the gateway to a good time. Change my mind.
Eh alcohol can be enjoyed in moderation. Personally I massively prefer it to weed
Are you really having a good time when the munchies hit but you're out of snacc?
You forgot caffeine in the meme
Literally classified as a unscheduled drug but people give it a pass cuz ur more "productive". More people have died from caffeine overdose then weed overdose.
More people have died from caffeine overdose then weed overdose.
Sounds like a rectal fact, got a source?
It's true, mostly because the LD 50 for THC is like a kg/kg (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK563174/). It's so astronomical that you would die from many other issues before thc became a concern. Caffeine actually has a pretty low LD 50 even among many illicit drugs, it's just more widespread so people aren't incentivized to take hyper-concentrated doses of it.
I don't think there's a single recorded example of someone dying from cannabis overdose in the history of humankind.

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