Editor's note: this is a post about American Independence Day celebrations

existentialmemes

Alright, I'm going to launch explosives around your house. For several hours. Yes it is dangerous and terrible for wildlife and the environment. And yes your pets will get sick from eating the debris and you will feel terrorized inside your own home.

No you can't opt out of it. Everyone is doing it and frankly it's weird that you don't want to.

No you can't be the one launching the explosives you need a license for that. You can however launch these marginally smaller ones though. Yeah just whenever you want. 2am sounds great.

So anyway, fireworks were a mistake and it's never too early to start reminding you of that.

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[–] 16 points 4 months ago

A few winters ago, I took a trip to Iceland, specifically Reykjavik. I learned that, for new year's, there is an organized party well outside the city limits with no fireworks. This was for folks that didn't want to participate in the usual celebrations that take place in town. They noted that it was quite popular with the Syrian refugees on the island. I think about that a lot.

I'll add that NYE Fireworks in Iceland make American Independence Day celebrations look like a solemn funeral in comparison. I've never been anywhere that has been shelled, but I now have a really good idea what that would look and sound like.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Heh, I live in a racially mixed neighborhood where the Mexicans help the rest of the us find the "good stuff". I have been in an actual war zone but my neighborhood is at WW1 level amounts of black powder and badly made improvised explosives with copper, magnesium, and titanium sprinkled in for seasoning. Last year there were teenagers with eight inch mortars which I cannot convey how insanely illegal those are.

    Kind of amazing we haven't set the neighborhood or even a single house on fire now that I think about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    PSA do not mess with additives other than Titanium for salutes. Ideally do not mess with improvised explosives at all but if you really are hell-bent on upping the noise, a string-bound blackpowder maroon is the way to go. Hello interpol my old friend.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Every year for a dozen years our dog would get so traumatized by fireworks that you could literally hear her teeth chattering. We'd turn up loud music in the house, and make her a bed in a closet, but she'd still bolt out and look for anywhere where it was less noisy or safer (there wasn't such a place, but we couldn't convince her of that). She'd jump into the bathtub or claw her way into a different closet, only to bolt away to find a better spot at the next explosion. And neighbors would light off the occasional firework until like 2 or 3 in the morning. We couldn't go off and leave her. I grew to really hate the 4th.

    She died a couple months ago, so I guess that's no longer a problem for us personally, but I know we aren't the only ones with sensitive pets.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Xanax. It’s a good thing.

    Benadryl if you can’t get none. Plus the other stuff you mentioned.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Benadryl, or diphenhydramine hcl, doesn't really help much for stress. It's true that it can make dogs sleepy, and if given soon enough before the fireworks they may sleep through them. The problem is that some dogs have the opposite reaction and become hyperactive. Hyperactive and stressed will just make for a bad evening for everyone.

    It is best to talk to your vet in the days before the fireworks start. A prescription is likely to be a better option for your pet. Talking to your vet first will also help to make sure you get the dosing right for your dog.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Tried Benadryl and it didn't help. Didn't want to do anything to strong, but maybe should have. Doesn't matter any longer.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    well, should it come up again for some reason, talk to the vet about xanax. And either way it's just part of the whole package, which also includes sound isolation and comforting peoples around, as you were already doing. (In case anyone is reading this like a pill will fix it - not as such, no)

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  • [–] 104 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'd happily see consumer fireworks banned. If people like them so much then there are plenty of organized displays which have way better shit than you can buy at Walmart, and I know roughly when they're happening so I can turn the TV up loud, close my windows and keep my pets from being too traumatized.

    What I can't stand is the random 3AM explosions that sounds like the start of WWIII. If you're one of those people, fuck you. Sincerely.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I promise you if that ban happened people will buy gun powder and build their own. Now they're more dangerous and made in Jimmy's garage

    You may say ban blackpowder, but then you run into the 2nd amendment lobby

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Usually agreed, but July 5th I'll be shopping for some discounted boomies.

    They will be on stand by to celebrate a long overdue deposition when the day finally fucking comes.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    We used to hide in the basement with our pup and watch a movie. She could still hear the fireworks, but it seemed to take the edge off.

    Current pup has gone deaf in his old age. Before then, he'd growl and bark at both thunder and fireworks. Now he just sleeps through it.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    have a hound that couldn't give two fucks about the cacophony. also have a staffie that will try to dig through the linoleum in the basement trying to get away from the cacophony. fucking bullshit rah rah patriotism, and some poor kid is gonna get third degree burns or lose most of a hand, whoopee 'merika

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Fireworks are generally not allowed near airports, so getting a room at an airport hotel might be a good way to g give you and your pup some peace and quiet. Just a tip.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    haha I live miles from Boeing field and SeaTac. Nope.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago

    Launching fireworks had been banned in Kyiv for the last few years, for hopefully obvious reasons.

    At least one good thing has come from it.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    My first dog was so chill that he didn't give a single fuck about fireworks or thunder. He'd sleep right through it. Even before he went deaf. I swear he was just a dude who got turned into a dog or something because nothing about the human world seemed to bother him.

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  • [–] 66 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Counterpoint

    Playing with fire and blowing things up is fun if done responsibly. Really, given the kinds of annoyances that are legal year-round (drunkards, loud exhausts, barking dogs, late-night parties, yelling loudly etc.), it really isn't that bad to have fire & explosions once per year for like... two hours. (Reiterating, responsibly)

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    One night a year... Heh. It's been going on for a month already at my sisters' place

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It depends on enforcement. Where I live it's pretty strictly enforced. I do wish the big fireworks show was on the edge of town rather than in the middle of it but I still want the show. Just as responsibly as possible.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    two hours

    if the idiots would actually do that, it wouldn't be a problem. instead it's a two week window of booms and flaming bullshit DURING A HEATWAVE IN WILDFIRE SEASON.

    how fucking dumb do they have to be, that this needs to be explained?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Where I am from, civilian fireworks are pretty much happening only during NYE. It is roughly 2 hours. The rest of the year fireworks are pretty much happening on some special shows or celebrations. You almost never hear fireworks the rest of the year.

    Where I live now people like to shoot fireworks at random. I used to live near private small garden area and fireworks would fire on weekly basis all year long. It is even forbidden to do it at random, but that is not stopping people for some reason.

    Wanted to add also that in my homeland fireworks are sold typically in hunting shops and I guess are strictly regulated while at the country I am at right now you can buy loads if fireworks in a grocery store if some sort of a festive celebration is around the corner.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Where I am from, civilian fireworks are pretty much happening only during NYE. It is roughly 2 hours. The rest of the year fireworks are pretty much happening on some special shows or celebrations. You almost never hear fireworks the rest of the year.

    oof sounds lovely.

    Where I live now people like to shoot fireworks at random. I used to live near private small garden area and fireworks would fire on weekly basis all year long. It is even forbidden to do it at random, but that is not stopping people for some reason.

    in past years it's been like this. I think that they tightened some of the sales because the world cup is in town, but we still have mortars and other shit going off two weeks before the 4th :|

    there's too few consequences for irresponsible assholes.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Where do you live where it's only two hours?!?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Large town in Sweden. I'd say 95% is within the legal time span in our neighborhood and from what I've seen elsewhere it's fairly similar.

    This is excepting no-go zones & rougher neighborhoods, but in some of these areas they literally attack first responders with fireworks so I'm not counting them.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    I love fireworks! I like going to the big displays, I like hearing neighbors setting them off in the distance. It reminds us that even thought things kinda suck now, we can still have some fun.

    This country has turned so rigid, it is so disappointing. No loud music, no firewoeks, no dance clubs, no outward displays of anything. Just go home buy stuff online and watch your screens quietly.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Okay then let’s do it only in winter when it gets dark early enough.

    For some reason all the holidays happen when the day is long except new years which for has fireworks happening at midnight.

    The laws are not made to minimize the downsides.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Oh honey. You think it's for 2 hours? It's roughly once an hour from the middle of June to the middle of July

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Where do you live? That's excessive.

    Worst I've seen in rural Michigan, is occasional fireworks the week before and after the 4th.

    Now that I'm in the suburbs? Maybe a day before and after. Eh, could be worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    Well, that's how it is in my country, and mostly respected outside no-go zones :)

    Slightly different per municipality, but in general it's permitted 23-01 around the new year. Outside that, you need to apply to the police for permission.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Agreed, but it is interesting to hear about its impact on the environment. Obviously it spooks pets and livestock. But what is it doing to the local flora and fauna? In some situations it probably kills birds through constant stress. And what about trees that are normally used to peace and quiet? They're probably deaf now.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    Especially barking dogs.

    All of whose owners, who let them bark 24/7 the other 364 days a year, go into full meltdown mode on social media over their poor pupper's right to be catered to every 4th of July.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I love fireworks shows done responsibly, our local show is on a beach away from most of civilization and wild life.

    That said I think a drone show is cooler, better for the environment, and would love to see densely populated towns replace them with drones.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    On a beach... Away from wild life? What?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Beaches around here are out in the open with a treeline that isn't close to shore, most animals aren't going to be around due to the threat of predators, with the exceptions of insects.

    The area is similar to Peggy's Cove in Nova Scotia, though not as far removed from everything and on a lake, rather than on an ocean.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I'm more down for burning in effigy

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Had an apartment in a shady neighborhood for the first time in my life once. Did not appreciate the random "pop" noises that never really sounded like fireworks. Will never live that down.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I don't wish maiming on people who light fireworks. They can learn. I sure did. Used to be a huge fan to the point my dad and I would volunteer to help setup a few pro shows around us (one of only three happy memories with him so you can imagine how important they were to me). I now understand though and don't light them myself. I've found many people around me legitimately have just never heard the arguments against them and when I lay it out they at least only light them at reasonable times and clean up more though some no longer light them at all.

    Now my asshole neighbour who three years in a row I've had to sic the city code enforcement on for just tossing his mortar tubes and boxes and stuff into my yard...

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Professional firework displays are ok. If it's scheduled ahead of time and there's some choreography and art to it and it's contained to one area, that's cool. It's the people setting off mortars at all hours of the day in residential areas that I have a problem with.

    And I don't really want to see limbs blown off, it's just that I've interacted with enough people who hear arguments against it, and still set a bunch of fires and blow up a bunch of explosives outside my damn house, that I have to assume malice on their part. Like, every house on this street has dogs. They've seen how their dogs react to fireworks. Why are they setting off pounds of dynamite?

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 4 months ago*

    What really set me off was getting banned from reddit for expressing an opinion moderately spicier than "explosions can be bad, sometimes." I like this platform because having strong opinions doesn't get me instantly banned by a machine before a human ever sets eyes on it. Even if a moderator removes my other comment, I won't be too upset, because there will be a human being behind that decision instead of an algorithm

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  • [–] 52 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Ok, this bums me out. I love fireworks and the 4th of July. I have such fond memories of it as a kid and am building memories with my own kiddos. Our whole neighborhood gets together and sets them off, and grills and hangs out. It is a whole (wholesome) thing.

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There's plenty of fireworks that aren't a problem. Fountains and Spinners and sparklers are rad as hell, and honestly as a kid I hated the ones that are just really loud for no reason

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    Those are mostly what we do. No fire crackers. My kiddos are autistic, so ear protection is a must, just in case there is a loud one. But they love it and are even starting to love the louder ones as they get older.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    All the cool smaller stuff was banned long ago in the UK. 'Items of Erratic Flight' including all the ground spinners, helicopters, bottle rockets etc. The consumer stuff these days is so boring. What would've made so much more sense is to keep the smaller 'novely' type fireworks that are typically relatively low-noise, and much better suited to the relatively small gardens here.

    Instead we have these relatively powerful cakes that should have a 25m safety radius that almost nobody actually has in their garden.

    Many countries have a unique style of firework making that is part of their cultural heritage, ours is almost completely lost as everything is imported from China now, we outsource the danger of production to child labour in Luiyang. Its a sad state of affairs.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I have fun memories of my country's major holiday blackface character, and yet somehow I don't feel the need to pass that tradition on.

    The nice thing about fun is that you need almost nothing other than other people's company to have fun. You can play with sticks or pebbles or flowers or snow or lines in the sand or with just your body. If you're feeling fancy, get a ball or some instruments or a deck of cards or pen and paper. All you need to do is coordinate with your community to go outside together (and prevent any roaming murder machines from murdering people).

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I've had a car roof dented from a chunk of concrete from a firework. Not a fan.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    I swear, I thought they were talking about internal combustion engines until the last line.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Nothing to celebrate anymore.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    It's like if a dog was a human.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I was so annoyed when NJ finally went and allowed fireworks in public hands. Now instead of having nice controlled by the township level shows with professionals, I get dipshit down the street setting them off and causing every dog to go batshit. And because anyone can buy fireworks, no one donates to the township show so we don't even get to see the nice show anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I spend much of my year in a country where fireworks start in early December and go until mid January. Random pops at 3am on any given day of the week are entirely normal. I’m convinced that people who can seemingly be perpetually amused by “haha it go boom!” again and again and again are fucking simpletons.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    I truly hate fireworks so I agree passionately

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Celebrate the fourth by blowing up a piece of it with fireworks

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    What if it was in the rainy season instead

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    There is a family several miles away that loves to blow up shit at random times periodically. The police know who they are. Most of the town knows who they are. The police do nothing, and it just goes on.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I don't enjoy fireworks. Maybe if it was like the year 1600 and I'd never seen color and light it'd be really cool. But we have high definition Tv now.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I also don't get why anyone films them. We have so many videos of fireworks as a species. Like we have the whole phenomena comprehensively documented, we're good.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Yeah, but that’s almost everything. I see tourist taking shitty pics of things that have been documented millions of times while their family stands next to them. I’m like, “Get them in the picture!” If you want it to mean anything.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    I appreciate in the latest season of The Pitt they show a few fireworks injuries. They can really fuck you up if you don't know what you're doing.

    Leave explosives to the trained professionals. I don't wish harm on anyone but fireworks are just explosives and if you aren't trained you're just asking for trouble.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    As I was reading this I thought it was going to be about Gaza.

    If you take into account how much it freaks out animals to the point of heart attacks it might as wel be to them.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    14th of July is the day in France for fireworks, there's the fireworks set by the city for 30min and after that everyone goes back home, dont have people setting them off all night 🤷

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    People love loud sounds and lights, be it explosions, light shows, loud music, automobiles, and a myriad of other things, what can I say? It's a form of group stimulation that for whatever reason cultures find acceptable.

    I don't launch fireworks, and I agree people should be much more considerate about it, and keep loud sounds to specific pre-arranged times like 11pm to 1am for midnight events like New Year, 9pm-12am for other events. It's not so bad if you can expect it, but it's the random intermittency through the whole night is what I think is the most harmful thing about it. ANC headphones is the opt-out.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    It's not so bad if you can expect it

    Animals will not expect it. Also they do not unterstand why and what's happening.

    ANC headphones is the opt-out.

    How about an opt-in?

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don't have a pet either, but I'd think to wrap a scarf or blanket around the head of your pet to dampen the noise and keep them close to you or in your bed to reduce the harm.

    The OOP mentioned there's no opt-out, hence my suggestion of ways to opt-out, but most public firework shows are opt-in and I agree it should be the main way to see fireworks. I bring earplugs to some fireworks shows I see, because I'm trying to protect my hearing even as I am enjoying it. In the spirit of offering solutions to this problem, you can start your own HOA where you either ban pets because they could be harmed by fireworks, or outlaw anything that could ever be an inconvenience to anyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    but I'd think to wrap a scarf or blanket around the head of your pet to dampen the noise and keep them close to you or in your bed to reduce the harm.

    That's not doing the job. But I admit you are indeed able to reduce the noise with ANC headphones attached to the dog. (Did this and seemed to do the job.)

    But that's not the point. I shouldn't be forced to do that in the first place.

    but most public firework shows are opt-in

    This could be a solution (banning private fireworks at the same time), but ignoring the fact fireworks not only harm pets but animals in the wild too.

    you can start your own HOA

    Snarky.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    isn't most of the world moving away from fireworks? too polluting.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Yup but here in the good ol US of A we are dumb as fuck and polluting our environment is our way of life.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    it's so weird, coming to the US from Europe is line travelling 20 years to the past.

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