Rich ppl live longer (media.piefed.zip)
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[–] 137 points 2 months ago (48 children)

People who live longer:

People who drink a glass of wine every night.

People who buy organic and cook whole foods at home.

People who spend 30+ minutes a day being activr/at the gym.

People who get 9+ hours of sleep every night.

People who have less chronic stress.

People who get regular checkups/screenings at the doctor.

So... rich people that have the time and can afford to do all of those things or have them done for them.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago (19 children)

    The glass of wine is likely due to a selection bias in Tea Total people. Most people who are completely sober, are so either because they are recovering alcoholics, or have other health issues.

    Most people who are healthy and have no prior alcoholism issues drink at least occasionaly, which introduces a selection bias favouring people with health issues as strict non drinkers, which causes not drinking at all to be correlated with worse health than drinking occasionally.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    Idk... a lot of gen Z people I know just don't drink at all

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  • [–] 59 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    OP is referring to the j-curve historically seen in studies about drinking. Because researchers didn't control for people who stopped drinking after years of abuse or people who couldn't drink because of other health issues, it looked like having 0 drinks per day led to worse health outcomes than 1-2 drinks per day. Because of that, many health organizations spent decades telling people that 1-2 drinks per day was better for you than 0 drinks per day.

    Someone finally controlled for those variables a few years ago, and the j-curve vanished. Most health organizations now say they're is no amount of alcohol that is safe to consume.

    So it's got nothing to do with Gen Z drinking habit specifically, and the science has been corrected since. But a lot of people still internalized and parrot the "1-2 drinks is healthy" thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    No amount of alcohol is safe? Is that like saying no amount of driving is safe?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Sure. Any driving you do increases your risk of death. But it's likely you need to drive for other reasons that reduce your risk of death (like buying food).

    Drinking is different because no one needs to drink.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (8 children)
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    Exactly!

    I meant that plenty of people drink reasonable amounts alcohol all the time with no apparent issues.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    It means that any amount of alcohol increases the odds of you dying sooner or having other negative health effects sooner (which will lead to you dying sooner). There is no amount that won't increase those odds. It says nothing about how much any given drink would impact your life span. I'm not saying it's negligible or significant, but I can't be bothered to look it up.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Come on, you have to say it's positively correlated rather than causative that's the whole point of the thread.

    This isn't a hill I want to die on, but I don't think it's a meaningful claim without a bit more nuance.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Well, the WHO puts it in the same category as tobacco. Is tobacco just strongly correlated to cancer? And I don't need to say it is causative, because The Lancet did.

    You can stack that data up against your anecdotes however you like.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I wonder if this is something that changed over time. As in preservatives and all sorts of chemicals being added to tobacco or alcohol. For example, I can smoke Japanese cigarettes without a problem. I've smoked Vietnam era MRE cigarettes, Old Ukrainian unfiltered cigarettes. But I can't smoke US made ones since around 2007, they make me sick and taste like ash.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    No, it's causal.

    We know the mechanisms by which alcohol causes negative health effects, to basically all the systems in the body.

    It's not a particularly strong effect for the occasional drinker, but the degree of confidence we have in the correlation is very strong, and we have an underlying model of the biological mechanisms that cause poor health outcomes.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Yeah but these (usually flawed) studies that have wormed their way into the public consciousness were done long before gen z was drinking age. From up-to-date information it's pretty clear that any amount of any kind of alcohol is quite bad for you. Obviously increasing with quantity.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    That's teetotal, nothing to do with the nice hot cuppa

    Also last time I saw teetotalers being less healthy than occasional drinkers was decades ago before never drinking became normal among the youth as they came of age

    Back then the only reason to not drink was to treat alcoholism or a serious problem. Now people abstain because their friends do

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    How does wine taste? I really wanna taste wine before I die.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    It varies dramatically for different types of wine, even within the broad categories (red, white, rosΓ©, etc.). Some wines are grapier and will be reminiscent of juice you've had. Others are further away from that. Invariably they will taste different if you've never had wine before, even moreso if you've not had alcohol.

    If you are interested in wine for the experience, I'd recommend situations where it's well-paired with food. The best wine I've ever drank has been with good food that complemented it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    A good bottle of wine is only in the $20-$30 range. IMO, every wine I have ever had that costs more than $30 is not any better than wine that is $30. Ive tried quite a bit of different stuff up to $75-$300 bottles that I got for free. None of it was worth more than a $30 bottles, at least to my palette. The one exception probably being Veuve Cliquot champagne, which is really good but costs like $50.

    There is a pretty big difference between a $7 bottle of wine and a $30 bottle of wine though. Honestly wine is kind of an acquired taste, and there are a lot of varieties. If you want something good but also cheap then you cant go wrong with a $10 bottle of sweet table wine. Any other kind of wine its worth it to spend for something in the $20-$30 price range if you want it to be decent

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Depends on the wine. I wanted to see for myself so I bought 2 bottles from the same producer. Same type of wine and stuff as well. One bottle was 25-ish€ and the other was 80-ish. I could instantly tell which the more expensive wine was. Then I asked my wife to taste without telling her which is which. She could also instantly tell. Was it worth the price? Fuck no. I usually buy in the 10-15 range from a guy that I trust since supermarket stuff is hit and miss and I like trying new ones, not just buying the same one every time.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    I suppose thats kind of what I meant. For sure there are actual differences between a $30 bottle and an $80 bottle, but after $30 it is mostly a game of massively diminishing returns. A $60 bottle of wine is nowhere near as good of a value as two $30 bottles of wine. A $300 bottle is sure as shit nowhere near good enough to be better than the value of 10 $30 bottles

    Other than Cliqout, Ive never had a bottle of wine worth over $30 that I would ever pay for myself. Im a big fan of Saldo, which doesnt have hardly any label on it. I figured it would be good wine since its definitely not selling itself with a sexy label lol

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I'm lucky to live in France so there's plenty of affordable and good local wine but I'll definitely keep an eye on the import section for that one. Heard good things about Californian wines. So I was already curious but never actually tried any.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I am not American and where I live, wine is illegal (exceptions are there and loopholes too) so it is difficult for me to drink wine in my community and country.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    The basic recipe for wine is grape juice, yeast, and time, and yeasts are everywhere. It's not hard to "accidentally" turn an opened bottle of grape juice into wine.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    They are varied. Red wines have more tannins than white, white wines come in different sweetness, with the less sweet ones described as dry

    If you wanted to try a red wine I would suggest starting on merlot

    I wouldn't recommend drinking an entire bottle in a day. Opened wine can be kept in the fridge for a few days

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    If you haven't tried it because you have to avoid alcohol, good news - alcohol free wine is hitting the market.

    Tbh, it's not the most amazing example of wine, but the ones I tried were not awful either. It would give you a good example how wine tastes like.

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    personally I don't think any alcoholic beverage tastes good - at least not the traditional ones like wine, beer, spirits. I do still drink and have done since I was a kid because it does make you feel kind of happy and socialising is easier and more enjoyable. (just two or three drinks though - more than that and it starts having negative effects)

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Tastes a lot like grapes that have gone off, actually. So just imagine that. Maybe you'll live longer.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Well I don't wanna live longer. I wanna enjoy everything in this life before I die.

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    Well I don't think so cuz it is forced upon us, rather than our conscious choice. For rich, there is no problem though. They drink and party. These laws are implemented only on poor and middle class.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    No I just meant I think that wanting to experience life rather than needlessly restricting yourself of everything "unhealthy" to try and gain another day without these experiences is a good philosophy.

    I understand that you are not the one deciding to restrict yourself in this case. That and the unequal enforcement of the law on the rich are both another thing entirely and complete bullshit.

    Hope you get the opportunity to enjoy more out of life, buddy.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    No one recommends 9 hours sleep. Humans in the wild (hunter gatherers) sleep about 6 hours. People in the industrialised world sleep about 7 or 8 hours. We don't know whether 8 hours is better or worse than six

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I think at that point it just varies too much by individual. Some people are completely fine with 6 hours a night. I am not one of those people.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I agree. Sitting my yass all day playing video games? Sure, 4-6 hours will be okay. Doing yard work and manual labor in 110 degree weather, I'll see you in 14 hours. Also, I have sleep apnea so I'm used to feeling dead all day.

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