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[–] 119 points 4 months ago (134 children)

Yeah this has definitely happened to me a few times

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  • [–] 47 points 4 months ago (133 children)

    Lemmy has proven to me that tankies have more in common with right wingers than liberals.

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  • [–] 55 points 4 months ago* (32 children)

    Yeah that's the thing about authoritarians; they don't have a problem with the boot, they just want it to be on the other foot. No better. Different axis, but the political compass looks more like a triangle than a square to me.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Thanks for proving their point too.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Well that's the falsest dichotomy I've seen in awhile.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    USA libertarians, correct? Because I constitute as libertarian in not wanting many if any rulers above the common people. Just that I'm also left and don't have a weird fascination with changing age of consent laws like right wing libertarians do.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Early twentieth century anarchists often described themselves as libertarians. If that's what you mean, we can work together.

    US libertarians believe in a state that enforces private property laws but does nothing for the general welfare, basically gangsterism.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (46 children)

    I’d ask you for an example but we both know you wouldn’t be able to provide one.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (28 children)

    Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    That would mean Joe Biden won without them in the 2020 general election. Is that actually what you believe? Because that would mean yet another political bloc abandoned the Democratic candidate in the 2024 general election.

    When a political party is bleeding voters like this it's a problem with the party. If you support the party digging in their heels while this is happening you are part of the problem.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh ho! Now you’ve done it! They’re totally double extra not gonna vote for your candidate now!

    They weren’t anyway but now . . . You just pissed off the least powerful non-voters in the electorate! Liberal!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Getting laws passed is pretty much a cornerstone of being a political party though.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (15 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    He is partially incorrect in his claim about the 2024 primary. We had a primary in 2024 (not a legitimate one IMHO) but the 2024 primary does demonstrate liberals preferring MAGA over leftists.

    The uncommitted movement had ~25 percent of the vote in Michigan which was a swing state the Dems couldn't beat Trump without. The Dems chose to ignore this warning and continue funding the genocide.

    The liberals screaming at leftist over the last 18 months stems from leftists having solidarity with the Muslim community in Michigan when the Democratic party abandoned them for their Isreal donors.

    Also even if every third party vote had gone to Kamala in every swing state she still would have lost to Trump.

    The contension stems partly from liberals unwillingness to think critically about the failures of the democratic party. Preferring party loyalty and rejecting the wishes of the voters over accepting any constructive criticism from the left.

    You want to respond by defending the democrats. Perhaps saying people who voted third-party actually support Trump. Any excuse you make for the democrats loss proves the exact point I'm making.

    You'll attack the left even when they're offering constructive feedback and even when not listening to your left flank means MAGA winning. In other words, you would rather MAGA win than the left.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I debated bringing this up in my original comment, but there were rumors the reason Nancy Pelosi started pushing so hard for Biden to drop out was; she found out that the internal Democratic Party polling showed Biden losing by hundreds of electoral college votes.

    Regardless, your response proves my point maybe better than any other response I’ve received here on Lemmy. As soon as any legitimate criticism pops up you throw black women under the bus rather than letting a leftist win, rather than admit a leftist has a point.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (45 children)

    That's funny, I had the opposite experience. When Israel started doing it's genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it, while the tankies were on the right side of history right from the start.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    When Israel started doing it's genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it

    Where? Is there one example? I never saw one.

    I saw a bunch of people hoping trump won over it though. Which made less than no sense.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    You've never seen liberals screaming about voting for Biden or Kamala prior to the election on here? I couldn't open the website without seeing it. That's defense of the genocide, lol.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (25 children)

    I'm sorry, the invasion of Ukraine is a terrible thing, and definitely illegal, but it is not a genocide. Not a single human rights organization or anything like the ICJ, UN, ICC is calling it a genocide.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    However, not everything is in the actions

    That is absolutely correct. Genocide, however, is not one of those things. A significant portion of the definition of genocide consists of actions. So when you say someone is committing a genocide, you're saying they're doing some specific stuff with some very specific intentions. One of the two is not enough. You need both.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Youre right I don't think it's correct at all to call it a genocide. I think they're just hypersensitive to the minimizing language tankies use a lot, where a lot of historians said "the uyghur genocide" and tankies say "uhm technically there was no mention of genocide from this international rights body so that's an overreaction." The implication being that sure it's not good what's happening to them, but it's not THAT bad.

    Tankies do a similar thing with Ukraine where they say "they're just taking back some of the land they rightfully control," or some other minimization.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    https://www.ejiltalk.org/another-setback-for-ukraine-the-icj-declares-russias-counter-claims-in-the-ukraine-v-russia-genocide-case-admissible/

    The ICJ is hearing counterclaims that Ukraine is committing genocide. So by your standards, Ukraine is committing genocide too. That doesn't hold up to my standards, so I don't believe Ukraine is committing genocide (or Russia for that matter).

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (13 children)

    Ok I guess we have slightly different standards for calling things a genocide then. What did your eyes see that makes you call Russia's illegal invasion a genocide? What is your personal definition of genocide?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Evidence they're being stripped of their Ukrainian identity?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Should kids that are stuck in a warzone be left to die? Should orphaned children not be given a chance at a normal life if you can't find their parents?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Can you provide a source for children being deliberately kidnapped from their homes?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I'm not denying kids are winding up in Russia's custody. That's what should happen. They shouldn't just get lost in the streets or worse part of an active warzone, and if they are orphans then they should be given a house.

    Do you have evidence that they specifically took children from their families to raise in Russian households?

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