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Sick of the Susan Collin/John Fetterman Democrats who vote against their own people (discuss.online)
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[+] -7 points 4 months ago (45 children)

A vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries wasn't a vote against Trump it was a vote against leftists and a dice roll against Trump.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (28 children)

    Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (20 children)

    And also because leftists are a useless political bloc.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    That would mean Joe Biden won without them in the 2020 general election. Is that actually what you believe? Because that would mean yet another political bloc abandoned the Democratic candidate in the 2024 general election.

    When a political party is bleeding voters like this it's a problem with the party. If you support the party digging in their heels while this is happening you are part of the problem.

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  • [+] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh ho! Now you’ve done it! They’re totally double extra not gonna vote for your candidate now!

    They weren’t anyway but now . . . You just pissed off the least powerful non-voters in the electorate! Liberal!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    centrists get stuff done, right? Like that genocide they funded under Bidens term. Be proud!

    They also did a bang up job holding trump accountable for his insurrection and destroying republicans with the Epsten files. Remember that? so much winning. So much gotten done.

    And then you go claim leftists get nothing done. What a frickin joke.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    When was the last leftist president in office?

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago* (10 children)

    FDR. Who also happens to be among the last decent presidents of either party. You centrist DNC pond scum sellouts are still pretending you inherited his legacy, when you really inherited Ronald Reagans. And you cant win elections even running against a criminal clown like trump that anyone even halfway decent should be able to beat without trying. As long as those AIPAC paychecks keep showing though, thats what really matters, right?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    So eighty one years ago?

    When was the last law passed by a leftist federally?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    When was the last time our Democratic party centrist leaders sold us out or did something against the interest of the voters? A day or so.

    Betrayal is even worse than getting no laws past.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Anyways when was the last law passed by a leftist federally?

    I’ll keep asking until you answer.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    well thats a pretty flimsy standard to throw up in the face of constant betrayal and selling out. But it certainly matches the usual centrists' "power for power sake, at any cost, and it doesnt matter how we use it" menatlity. Your approach to this is exactly how you find yourself supporting war crimes.

    Good job! Your kids will be so proud.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Getting laws passed is pretty much a cornerstone of being a political party though.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    And yet, Harris lost because she couldnt get voters off the couch. Because she stood for nothing the voters wanted. It didnt matter that she said she was a continuation of Biden and Biden 'had passed some laws'. He'd also lost all support by not caring about his voters and betrayaing their wishes. Voter backlash exists and loses elections, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

    Its like you missed the entire election, or else learned nothing at all from the loss.

    Also seems you never heard of the Whig party. They passed some laws, Why dont I see them on the ballot?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Ultimately Harris lost because enough democrats wouldn’t vote for a black women to give her those last couple percentage points she needed.

    Biden had the most progressive policies since Carter and his laws passed were widely considered great. So good that the first thing Trump did was reverse them.

    When was the last federal law passed that a leftist created? I see you dodged this question again.

    I’m done with answering any more of yours until you have the respect for this conversation to answer this one question.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)

    You're almost there. What made Joe Biden the "safe choice"?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    What's crazy is you think this makes you clever.

    It doesn't. It just shows you're unreasonable and incapable of understanding context or nuance. In other words, you're either literally 15 or you're mentally 15.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Give me a break. You know exactly where I'm going with this and so you cut it off and call me a teenager? Have a bit of self respect and admit I'm about to prove my point.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    All you're doing is slowly making the left-wing version of a dishonest Charlie Kirk "point."

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Nothing dishonest about it. You know exactly what made Joe Biden the "safe" candidate.

    You prefer Charlie Kirk and MAGA to leftists.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Thanks for proving my point.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Thanks for proving mine.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    You went back six years to try to prove your point.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (12 children)

    The last time we had a legitimate primary was six years ago because liberals let Biden campaign long enough to prevent a legitimate primary in 2024. Because liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    I hate to point out the obvious flaw in your argument but who was the leftist who was denied a chance in the 2024 primary?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    He is partially incorrect in his claim about the 2024 primary. We had a primary in 2024 (not a legitimate one IMHO) but the 2024 primary does demonstrate liberals preferring MAGA over leftists.

    The uncommitted movement had ~25 percent of the vote in Michigan which was a swing state the Dems couldn't beat Trump without. The Dems chose to ignore this warning and continue funding the genocide.

    The liberals screaming at leftist over the last 18 months stems from leftists having solidarity with the Muslim community in Michigan when the Democratic party abandoned them for their Isreal donors.

    Also even if every third party vote had gone to Kamala in every swing state she still would have lost to Trump.

    The contension stems partly from liberals unwillingness to think critically about the failures of the democratic party. Preferring party loyalty and rejecting the wishes of the voters over accepting any constructive criticism from the left.

    You want to respond by defending the democrats. Perhaps saying people who voted third-party actually support Trump. Any excuse you make for the democrats loss proves the exact point I'm making.

    You'll attack the left even when they're offering constructive feedback and even when not listening to your left flank means MAGA winning. In other words, you would rather MAGA win than the left.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Third party has never changed a modern election it’s the people who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a black woman that swung things.

    Biden still could have comfortably won over Trump again.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Judging by the fact they they hid the autopsy for years, it was because of the genocide and milquetoast neoliberal policies that she lost, not what's between her legs.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    they hid the autopsy for years

    Wasn't the election 590 days ago? That's not even two years...

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I debated bringing this up in my original comment, but there were rumors the reason Nancy Pelosi started pushing so hard for Biden to drop out was; she found out that the internal Democratic Party polling showed Biden losing by hundreds of electoral college votes.

    Regardless, your response proves my point maybe better than any other response I’ve received here on Lemmy. As soon as any legitimate criticism pops up you throw black women under the bus rather than letting a leftist win, rather than admit a leftist has a point.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Okay, will someone who disagrees with me explain to this guy how primaries work an incumbent is running? He's not going to believe anything I say.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    My question is who was the leftist?

    All you have to do is answer with a name.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Politicians with serious political careers don't challenge an incumbent in a primary bud.

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