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[–] 52 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

Is this a PSA about how I should've been harassing other bus passengers this entire time? I don't understand.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    depends. most places? sure, try to strike up a conversation (just don't expect/demand one)

    New York City? abso fucking lutely not. talking to a stranger on MTA for anything besides asking directions nets you the social equivalent of the death penalty

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  • [–] 71 points 5 months ago (22 children)

    Well, I found my manic pixie dream girl. I would absolutely would love to talk about Teuchitlán.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Also my dream single serving bus friend? I'm not trying to date anyone but I am trying to subscribe for more mesoamerican archeology facts, especially if I can ask clarifying questions along the way.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I think part of the point here is going over people's heads. She used her hyperfixation to confuse and bore the man to deflect any opportunity for him to flirt with her or ask her out until she was able to leave.

    Everyone saying "jokes on you, this bus girl is so my type" would also have their ear talked off and never given the opportunity to ask her out.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe I'm naive, but I want to think that plenty of people actually stoked about that kind of situation would rather ask to elaborate on the West Mexico civilization instead.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I think you're right, I'm just responding to the people (who are all over this thread) saying that this is part of their manic pixie dream girl fantasy.

    Even the op explains that this is a method to avoid the guy trying to pick her up.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Yeah, like I'd love to talk to this girl about this stuff if she wanted to talk about it, regardless of if she was interested in dating me or not, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. She was doing it to run him off

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Just don't lock anyone's knees, and use the appropriate dating spaces? Because strangers don't want to talk to you on the ride, it is one of the most anti-social places on Earth.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    use the appropriate dating spaces

    So, as someone who is terified to approach someone literally anywhere, what are the "appropriate dating spaces" now a days?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Unironically the answer seems to be mainly "don't." I'm with you (I hate making people feel uncomfortable personally, but it shakes out the same) and have been trying to make sense of it, so far I've got:

    Bars: OK

    Dating apps: OK

    Work: Right out don't even think about it. This includes any combination of worker/customer, worker/worker, and even customer/customer. Women supposedly don't like to be asked out in those situations.

    And then you'll hear men say "go to the gym" and women say "I don't like being asked out at the gym" so that seems off limits unless you're seeking men.

    Common advice is to "find a hobby" but women hate being asked out while they're just trying to do their hobbies as well according to them. Ok so then "you don't ask them out there, you become friends and hope they'll set you up with a single friend." It also necessitates a hobby that isn't solitary, which just isn't everyone's cup of tea.

    So basically the best I've got so far seems to be "drink more, discard online privacy, or pray."

    But then also "just ask, be polite, and take no for an answer, if they get offended at that, that's their problem" has been thrown around, and figuratively praying to a god I don't believe in hasn't been working so far, so I'm considering trying that out.

    Actually, ironically, while I made the joke that "make friends and then hope they set you up with someone" = "pray," another piece of advice is "meet them in church," which supposedly works real well, but I don't think lying about my religion is a good foundation to a happy relationship, personally. If you however have no such compunction or are religious, that may work.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Hard disagree. What are "appropriate dating spaces"?

    Pretty sure lots of the people would love to have something serendipitous happen outside of the boring designations society expects.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    This isn't even outside of what society expects. Striking up conversations with people is normal and human!

    There are bad ways to do it, of course. In this case, I'd be rattled by the knee tap. But a little conversation is fine, and if they aren't responding enthusiastically you can just drop it.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    What am I supposed to do? Be that creep that just hits on women? 😭

    I can't imagine that it's not a game friend being a date, or friend of a friend who recommended me.

    Or one of those dating servers/forums.

    Everything else feels creepy.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    So, my partner would do this. One day, she was driving me home from work, and there was a period of extended silence between us, and we had this conversation:

    Her: Whatcha thinkin' about?

    Me: What would the days of the French Revolutionary Calendar be if they were translated into Esperanto?

    Her: ...

    Me: Well, you asked.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Exactly why my partner no longer asks me, either.

    "I was wondering if people who lose lots of weight and have extra skin could have a kangaroo pouch made with their extra skin. Skin is easy to graft anywhere, so I don't see why not... Buy would it get saggy and stretch out? Can you get a tendon implanted to keep it tight?"

    Road trips are 100% podcasts now.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You could definitely make a marsupial, but I think the challenge would be keeping the pocket dry and fungus-free.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yeah, I figured it would be like obese people that have folds... They clean them, right? Do they get fungus? Is this only for people in desert places? Ooooh... Wait, never thought about sweat before. Hm... OK, so whoever suggested a drain was right. But that's maybe also a deal breaker from my perspective.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    No, no, this is interesting. Now I'm actually curious. I don't know enough about how Esperanto works--aside from knowing it's supposed to be an ideal language--to have any rational idea.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    The idea behind an auxiliary language is that everybody would only need to learn two languages: their native language and the auxiliary language. You'd talk to people in your own community in your native language and use the auxiliary to talk to foreigners. This helps to preserve language diversity while enabling international communication. To facilitate this, a good auxiliary language needs to be easy to learn and flexible enough to express a wide array of concepts. Esperanto is the most popular auxiliary language.

    As it turns out, the Esperanto Wikipedia does have an article on the calendar. However, the day names are presented in French, so there is still no definitive answer to this particular question lmao

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    i hadn't realized it was supposed to be auxiliary. Interesting.

    As it stands, English ends up being one of the most widely used second languages, which is nuts because English is a fuckin' nightmare to learn.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago

    Well don't leave me hanging about mexico! What's over there?!

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I would love to listen to any girl go off about any hyper fixation. It'd beat all the conversations I've had to endure about fucking tiktok or instagram make up artist drama.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I would love to listen to any girl go off about any hyper fixation. It’d beat all the conversations I’ve had to endure about [lists a common hyper fixation].

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Those were just fixations. There was no in depth analysis or deep examination of the factors or parties involved. It was entirely surface level interest of a surface level topic. Just because someone pays attention to something that doesn't make it a hyper fixation.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Alright, I can't say what your conversations have been like. It's just been my experience that if someone has one sentence to say about yt/TikTok drama, they have an essay's worth of follow up regarding what previous drama precipitated the current drama, what third parties have to say about it and whether any bridges are being burned, who's in the right and why, and so on...

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    That would have been the moment she became my dream girl.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Lesson learned. Look at your phone even if you aren't looking at your phone.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Something something I'm into that shit!

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    This sounds perfect. Then I don't have to be the one talking about the thing I'm thinking about for half an hour straight.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Stopping back at this thread a moment because I need to tell you my most common thoughts in a moving vehicle are to do with estimating speeds and distances multiple ways and seeing how close I can get while still approximating things like "car length = 2m" or "building height = 2 storeys = 2 x (2.5m + 1m) appearing half the height of that hill over yonder which is approximately three times as far away". I'll do this in different ways and see if they all agree. I'll often get stuck in rabbit holes of things like working out the speed of light in terms of pedestrians or angle of sunlight based on which way the train was going before it annoyingly went round a bend to throw me off.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    But that sounds like a fascinating rabbit hole?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    The manic pixie dream girl who knows about ecology and climate science.

    'There are actual several contenders for the title "equation of despair"'

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Classic confusion between Manic Pixie Dream Girl and Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago* (12 children)

    Wait so you had an interesting conversation with a guy, and you spin this as ... a win, because you... let down some expectations that you just imagined he had?

    You imagine you 'trapped' him into this conversation, like the entire thing was a dominance battle?

    He... started it.

    Maybe dude was just bored, thought you might make a good conversation partner, and this turned out to be correct.

    'Confusion' that you saw could just be, you know, confusion in the sense of 'wow i've never heard of these specific ideas and concepts before, and am trying to wrap my brain around them'.

    Contrary to apparently popular opinion, some guys just want to have a pleasant conversation with a stranger, sometimes.

    And those guys, if you just tell them you're not in the mood for a conversation, they'll probably understand and respect that.

    Is there really no other way to conceive of socializing than as a 24/7 pvp battle of wits and hidden intentions?

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    She described an interaction that she was present for and how she read it. You were not there, and so instead of reading the actual situation, you are imagining what it could have been like and wondering why she didn't interpret it in any of those ways. That makes no sense.

    they'll probably understand and respect that."

    You're right, they probably will! Except the small percentage that don't and become so dangerous that women feel the need to shut any man down, just in case.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Correct, I do not trust this person's ability to accurately read the emotional expressions of other people, given that she entirely invented a motive of the other person, with no provided evidence to justify this other person's motive as being actually real, and then interpreted/framed the entire story using this as a narrative device.

    There are reasons why eyewitness testimony is considered the lowest quality of evidence in both legal and scientific settings: our memories are highly malleable and innacurate, this is affected by many factors.


    This person is literally the definition of an unreliable narrator.

    Yeah, you know your own inner thoughts, with high to perfect accuracy.

    You cannot mind read someone else's intentions and inner thoughts to anywhere near that same level of accuracy, especially not without explanation.

    When you interpret other people's actions through the lense of what you assume they are thinking, their presumed motivations, you are projecting your expectations onto them, and your experience of them is then molded around this.


    Also, entirely random, stranger v stranger, male on female violence, is considerably more rare than say, the likelihood an average person will be injured or die in a car accident, or even die from a serious fall.... or entirely random, stranger v stranger, male on male violence.

    Male on female violence is a serious problem, but this is between men and women who know each other and are not strangers, who are family members, coworkers, partners, ex-partners, etc.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    She

    Did you honest to god look up that person's Tumblr account to ascertain their gender? That is one hell of a power move

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

    No.

    She states, in the OP story, that she imagines this guy had 'manic pixi dream girl hopes', in regards to herself.

    So, it is probably reasonable to assume that she is 'she', or at the very least, is feminine presenting.

    You can also just see that the profile pic is low res, but appears to depict a young woman.

    Reading comprehension, attention to detail, is all I needed here.

    Also, I don't know how it would be a 'power move' to search for publically available information, on the internet, to ascertain more context.

    I guess if her account were locked down and I literally hacked into being able to see it, that would be a bit nuts, but... afaik most stuff on tumblr is just public, but I don't really know, never really used it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    I assumed the GUY was the manic pixie dream girl

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    If you are acknowledging that you misread it... ok...

    ...maybe don't jump right to being so incredibly, conspiratorially critical of people, assuming things about them and fabricating insinuations of things they've done.

    It takes honesty to admit a mistake, that's admirable.

    Maybe slow down a bit, make sure you got the details correct, next time you feel an urge to be very critical of someone?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    I also admire your honesty in admitting that your assumption of that user's gender was based on conjecture (albeit plausible)

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Everybody makes conjectures and assumptions based on limited context in nearly every thing they ever experience.

    I'm Autistic, so I'm highly aware of the assumptions I am making, and why I am making them.

    It just takes me longer to fully think through them, which is often too slow for 'normal' conversation tempo, but when I have time to think and fully explain myself... I'm very analytical and detail oriented.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yes, your explanation was really good! Mind you, I think there's like 99% of a chance you're right. I just don't think something that's not directly confirmed should be treated as granted

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    What’s hard to believe here? It’s a pretty common pickup line and the most effective non confrontational way to make a person regret trying to talk to you. I’ve had basically the same experience more than once, except I rant about grammatical cases instead (just as boring for most).

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    Well I guess it may have happened. It just seems weird to me to be be so insufferably petty over a thing so minor.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Who was being petty? They asked, they got an honest answer.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I didn’t even realize, but you’re right. What are the options here for someone who doesn’t want to talk to a stranger in that moment?

    A) She’s polite and tries to make conversation B) she doesn’t respond, C) she answers rudely, D) she gives a non seqitur, or E) she answers honestly

    A) sucks for her and could create a situation where a stranger feels led on and entitled to her further attention

    B or C) she’s antisocial, full of herself, or an asshole

    D) she’s crazy

    E) she’s insufferably petty

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    E doesn't need to be petty? 'Sorry, I'm not in the mood to chat' is fine?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    As an autist I don’t really know how to feel about wether i am or am not in the mood to express my theoretical frameworks to explore causality with faster then light mechanics to a random stranger in public

    it would be an accurate response to their question and easier then confronting a long pause as i try to gather and organise my spacetime thoughts back into a decisive communication about wether i consent to conversating.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    You're forgetting another option ->

    "Oh, I'm thinking about a fair deal right now, but I'm not really in the mood to talk about it, I'd prefer to mull it over myself."

    You can honestly and politely tell someone that you don't want to talk to them, that you'd rather have the solitude.

    This is not impossible, and it is not petty.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    You can, but you’ll still get called stuck up. Or the other person will say they didn’t want to talk to you anyway and you’re pompous for assuming they did.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Well, I wouldn't call you stuck up for doing that, I would say that a person who was politely refused a conversation, and then themselves acted stuck up and offended by this, I would percieve them as the asshole.

    That would be an immature person with a large and fragile ego, reacting like a middle schooler, to the idea that not everyone thinks they are always worth talking to.

    Yep, some people are extraverted assholes like that.

    I've had many women react in this way when they approached me for whatever reason and I told them that I would just prefer to be alone, thank you.

    But I'm fine with this, because they're just making a fool of themselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yep, some people are extraverted assholes like that.

    Yeah, I suspect there’s a selection bias with people who approach strangers and ask what they’re thinking.

    But I'm fine with this, because they're just making a fool of themselves.

    I’m fine with it as long as they don’t follow me off the bus or train. That’s happened five or six times. My bff’s ponytail was cut off because someone much larger thought she should be paying more attention to them. And I’ve been told I deserve to be raped, but I don’t really care about that if there’s no additional physical intimidation, because some rando’s opinion on what I deserve is irrelevant unless they intend to mete it out.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I hear you that physical/sexual harassment is a serious concern, but what connection is there to that and the specific method of trying to defuse/reject an unwanted conversation?

    I totally get that you've had traumatic expediences, I'm not trying to minimize that.

    I've also had traumatic experiences of both men and women saying things like that to me, and stalking me, and physically attacking me, in extremely similar situations, busses and lightrail and such.

    But 99% of the time, where a similarly awkward conversation or non-conversation plays out... yeah its maybe uncomfortable or annoying, but I don't end up harmed.

    Also, you're somewhat misconstruing the context of OP's story.

    He didn't really approach her in the sense of totally out of no where, in a random public location, where she was otherwise alone... like randomly coming out of the shadows to chat up someone on a walk through an empty park.

    They were on a bus, a confined space with many other people, and the two of them appeared to be the only two people not glued to their phones, and he directly stated that.

    To me, that implies that he thought that presumably someone not glued to their phone was at least potentially having some kind of active or passive thoughts, as opposed to everyone else in zombie mode.

    The story does not include him physically making himself nearer to her. It includes him tapping her knee.

    As if they just happened to be sitting next to her, or her to him, and he just tried to start a conversation with his passenger-neighbor.

    This does not to me imply potentially malicious/predatory targetting.

    It also implies that at least while you are on the bus... you're in public with a lot of nearby other humans that could/would intervene in case the dude starts to literally force himself in some way.

    And, this very story does not end with the dude stalking her after bus disembarkation... so it shows that is a possible outcome as well, that it can just be a convo with a rando in a public space, and everything ends up fine.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    what connection is there to that and the specific method of trying to defuse/reject an unwanted conversation?

    Asserting that you don’t want to interact is provocative for some assholes. That was the context of each of the episodes I listed, all of which happened on buses, which I neglected to make clear.

    But 99% of the time, where a similarly awkward conversation or non-conversation plays out... yeah its maybe uncomfortable or annoying, but I don't end up harmed.

    Absolutely, it just makes me wary of ending up in that type of interaction at all.

    And, this very story does not end with the dude stalking her after bus disembarkation... so it shows that is a possible outcome as well, that it can just be a convo with a rando in a public space, and everything ends up fine.

    To be clear, she chose option E, and the circumstances in my comment above relate to choosing option A, B, or C. I also choose option E and it tends to work, but a commenter above called it relentlessly petty, which is why I’m suggesting there isn’t an option that doesn’t either potentially endanger you or make people think negatively of you in some way.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Oh no! Not the confusion and boredom of someone having thoughts and interests different from mine.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I was expecting her to kick him in the nuts or something, but wow.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Eskers are cool

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