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Age-verification partner Yoti is reporting GrapheneOS users to authorities for using GrapheneOS, due to "past security concerns." (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 122 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

This sent me down a rabbit hole for a moment because I'd never heard of Yoti (fucking dystopian shit). A Reddit post caught my eye because it had to do with PlayStation. It's in the r/privacy sub & turns out it had been removed by a mod for breaking their rules regarding any mention of alternative OSes.

Say what?!?

Alternative OSes are a major option for privacy. Ho my gawd, Reddit has truly turned into completely useless bullshit. Un. Fucking. Real.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I am so disappointed in Reddit. Never going back. Why does every fun digital playground have to turn to shit eventually.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Shareholders, my guy, it's always external shareholders (and a central point of hosting).

    At least the fediverse doesn't have that issue (and never will).

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Second this and adding: Fiduciary responsibility and how US economic law places it above all else. Other jurisdictions, particularly in Europe, require companies to balance multiple responsibilities, such as towards their workforce, societal, ecological, and yes, fiduciary, too. It doesn't solve all issues and can be vague AF, but at least well-meaning CEOs can fall back to these other corporate responsibilities in court while the same CEO would be sued into oblivion by US shareholders.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Hey, I used Reddit for years, I guess as anyone else here, and even with that Appolo client, it was so much worse than what I have now with Mlem client. (Speaking of iPhones right now.) And the quality of the conversation is so much better in here, even despite (or thanks to, who knows) not many people in here, really.

    I think Reddit is better only for when you need a lot of people in the comments for some reason. But now I think you don’t need that for most of the cases. All you need is just some people to hang around, otherwise there’s tumbleweed and it’s not as useful too. But the number of people we all need, it’s not that big, actually!

    I mean, fuck Reddit.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Seems like it’s mostly bots anyway. Hard to tell anymore what’s real comments and what is bot shill.

    Sadly, that’s a lot of the internet these days. The dead internet is becoming a reality.

    Just doing a search for reviews brings up so many AI written blogspam. Even the “trusted” sites from back in the day are scammy and advertising prices for whatever they review.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    It is indeed, but if we’d think about it longer … we couldn’t trust any review to be genuine in the past too.

    It wasn’t that bad though, that’s for sure. I do remember me buying some tech solely on the basis of having positive reviews. These days, I’d rather buy what’s cheaply (or for the sane price, depending on what I’m looking for) available online locally, and tweak from there.

    I found a nice essay on the topic recently, the boring internet.

    These days, not that genuine reviews are completely gone. They’re funnelled to some dark web channels (Instagram / Facebook et al), or live in private chats (e.g. me recommending something to friends). Personally, I’m trying to support others to start their own websites. For whatever hobbies they have. Unfortunately, not many are interested though. However, I believe that’s a matter of time before they realise that the social media platforms are optimised for engagement for the engagement’s sake. Which isn’t what I’m looking for. I’m totally ok with my blog being read by tens, not hundreds or thousands. Especially when these people are engaged in a mindful discussion, not just sending me millions of useless likes to pump my dopamine for no real reason.

    I believe we’d see the reborn internet (if it’s dead now) at some point.

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    • [–] 73 points 5 months ago

    Yoti? The privacy violating Yoti? The law breaching Yoti?

    https://ppc.land/spain-fines-yoti-eu950-000-over-biometric-data-and-consent-failures/

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    [–] 71 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So age verification was never about children, was it?

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    • [–] 47 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Wtf is an authority?

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    • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Graphene is going to be outlawed soon. Wouldnt doubt if Linux won't be next in some places.

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    • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Who would go through all the trouble to install GOS, to take back their privacy.. just to give it all up with an app like yoti?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Without giving too much info, I had to use it as part of a legal process a while ago, it's what the solicitors use to verify ID so I didn't really have a choice but to use it. But my thinking about using things like GrapheneOS etc. isn't necessarily to be 100% anonymous online, it's more to just minimize the amount of info they can get out of me.

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    • [–] 46 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This really sucks, and I’m worried for you guys using graphene that you’re going to be boxed out of absolutely everything and find yourselves on “terrorist” lists…which is sooo fuckn stupid, but that’s the time were unfortunately living in.

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    • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    I think people aren't reading too well into this. I think this is a massive failure on Yoti's side that will just discredit their trustworthiness and reliability. What's the "authorities" (police I guess?) gonna do when they start receiving a bunch of random citizens reported that have NOTHING to be reported for?

    Eventually they'll have to learn to just ignore Yoti's reports...or at least take them rather...not seriously, to begin with.

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    douchebag "support"

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    [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    Yoti is now claiming that this user is lying: https://xcancel.com/getyoti/status/2063946615073751299#m

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    [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    does it happen with other roms as well?

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    [–] 150 points 5 months ago (32 children)

    who the FUCK is yoti and how do we make them SUFFER for this until they fucking regret it enough to STOP

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  • [–] 85 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Ive been paying my domain registrar for services for a decade or so.

    A few weeks ago they asked me to confirm my ID with yoti.

    Now im in the process of switching to another registrar.

    Im so fucking sick of having to invest so much effort just for a bare minimum of privacy.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Which registrar, if you're willing to disclose?
    I'm using multiple, with some domains not having many options. I have yet to see this but it's worrying.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    only domains

    Domains was a dot au TLD.

    I have dozens, but the request was only applied to one of them. I got the impression they were doing the requests incrementally to give support a chance to field all the tickets from people like myself pushing back.

    With the ticket, at first a human responded, then the next response was a few pages of AI slop which didnt answer my enquiry. I politely told them that the AI generated response didnt answer my question and asked them to have a human review and respond.

    Then I found a more expensive Australian registrar ventraip. They at least claimed to have 24/7 human support. I transferred the offending domain.

    Onlydomains idiots replied a week later saying "uh, it looks like this domain has been transferred away, and that was the only one we had requested ID for at this time, so you dont need to do anything for now i guess."

    Idiots.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I doubt their support team has any control over the situation. It's honestly surprising you got the final email.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    My enquiry was to see whether I could provide business details instead of confirming my identity.

    The eligibility criteria is either an Australian resident individual or an Australian company.

    They said I could transfer to a company but it costs $200.

    I was trying to get them to tell me whether that was their fee or the regulator auda. Support didnt comprehend the question.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    based of you to bail on those shitbags, honestly :D

    i hope a lot of places lose a ton of business because of Yoti specifically. I hope it hurts and I hope they know why it hurts.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I'm just old enough to get cranky about silly things that aren't important to other people I guess.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The principal of the matter is in fact quite important and not silly at all. If we don't stand up to protect our privacy in small ways, they will proceed to violate our privacy in larger and larger ways.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yes, but we also have to function in a world that is hostile to people who value privacy.

    Like at some point i want to just be able to live without defending this nebulous intangible ideal.

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  • [–] 78 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Yoti is a British company headquartered in London that operates age verification and digital identity services

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I mean.. GrapheneOS is here to do exactly the opposite of that. Lol. I mean... Fuck Yoti but like ¯\(ツ)/¯

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Are you implying that they put the vulnerability there? What is even your point? As far as I know they were the first ones to have a fix for that issue but apparently that means that they're inherently insecure. Like seriously, do you even have any idea what you're talking about???

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You are correct I believe. My understanding was that graphene blocked an api or something like that to address the vulnerability..?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Okay I'm just gonna say it. So what?

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I figure that the authorities will get annoyed if they keep receiving false positives from this company

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    They don't seem annoyed by their own false positives when they classify anyone who opposes genociding Palestinians as a terrorist. The UK Government seems quite happy with these heavy-handed tactics for the oppression of politically inconvenient people.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Zionist scum.

    Israel is responsible for genociding Palestine and Britain is guilty for supporting it with arms sales.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Fuck me, that's one of the worst takes I've seen in a while. Figured you'd be from Feddit with rhetoric like that. Must be German.

    Ah, well. A .world loser posts a shit take, must be a day ending in y.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    We're out here opposing genocide and the best you can do is calling us pedophiles and calling all Muslims terrorists. Pathetic.

    I figure you'd recognize a genocide when you saw one, being German and all. Guess you're doing the same thing they did during the war, deny it and pretend it's not happening. They deserved it anyways, right? /s

    Fuck off and tell your AfD buddies someone was mean to you on the internet.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    the ones who dream of having children to rape are conservatoid chud shit sucking scumbag wastes of skin. just LAST MONTH ALONE there were more than 30 arrests of pedophiles and they were ALL RIGHT-WING.

    so yeah hide the children from all of them.

    innit funny how the people crying "think of the children" are the exact people you want thinking of children A WHOLE THE FUCK LOT LESS, ACTUALLY

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    The one thing I'm curious about at this point is:

    Who the fuck even asked

    I don't give even half a solitary wet shart what dirtbag boomers were ostracized thirty nine years ago for doing.

    When you find out there are pedophiles parasitically infesting your organization, you carve them out and discard them like the festering cancer they are. Apparently the dipshits who were in charge back then took seven years to realize they had an infestation and purge it. What a shame that same virulent scourge has been operating in the right wing and centrist parties of the United States ALSO since the Reagan Administration and STILL HAVEN'T BEEN SCOURED OUT AND STERILIZED EVEN NOW.

    GET. WITH. THE.

    F U C K I N G

    PROGRAM.

    IT'S NOT 1987 ANYMORE.

    HIT THEM IN THE PRESENT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ARE INSTEAD OF WHERE THEY AREN'T ANYMORE.

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    • [–] 51 points 5 months ago

    Chuckles in a Police State "I'm in danger!"

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    [–] 33 points 5 months ago

    Ah yes, a classic.

    Find resistance? Kill them in the name of freedom, safety, and ending "terrorism". The irony.

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    [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Imagine how much of a piece of shit you must be to work at a company like yoti.

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    • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    If the back end programmers weren't getting paid as much a they did, do you think they'd stage a mass shutdown? If farmers, construction workers and anyone who gave a fuck about ending data centers really gave a fuck, wouldn't they just get all the construction equipment and start knocking them down? The means of production can be halted with good ol' non-conformity and destruction.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't that just a general strike? You know, the thing the US people tried but didn't get quite right.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    A strike is chanting and begging for more from pig-dogs who don't give a fuck about you or I. Halting the meaning of production and disruption, is another ballpark, it has an actual consequence to society. Being the people who have the power to shut areas of society down and whining about life being unfair is pathetic.

    It's because people don't know how to do it from the inside. They only know how to scream and chant they don't know how to organize on a level that would disrupt anything.

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    [–] 46 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Essentially, Yoti isn’t reliable with GrapheneOS so they’re outsourcing the problem?

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yoti is bloody incompotent on everything, but somehow keep getting contract.

    Something sus going on, for sure, with the Epstein class "Protecting the children! (tm)"

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    • [–] 36 points 5 months ago

    Holy fuck. i don't even use Graphene and thaf makes me violently mad. Who thr absolute fuck do these self-righteous assclowns think they are.

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago*

    I did my research and picked Yoti as the handler so I could login to my OF account
    Then this shit (and the report on their collecting excessive data) happens
    Deleted now ofc

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    They can report me all they like. When the Feds come to cart off my computers they'll be bitterly disappointed though. Just lots of pirated star trek.

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    • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    The paranoid in me says they flag the privacy conscious people because they will becomes problematic when their tech feudalism Plans are going to unfold.

    These privacy conscious people could teach people to avoid the tech Kingdom that comes and that is big No No.

    So maybe they find CP in their PCs or something to get rid of them... Idk... Just paranoid ramblings I hope

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