Labour leadership hopeful Andy Burnham has refused to call the Israeli military’s actions in Gaza a genocide.

Asked about the violence in an interview with the Guardian, he said: “I can’t judge things of that enormity from where I am as mayor of Greater Manchester.”

He added: “But I do have concerns about the disproportionate nature of what has happened in terms of the destruction, and there has to be a full process of investigation and accountability.”

The world-leading International Association of Genocide Scholars last year declared that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

​Israel has killed at least 72,000 Palestinians there since 7 October 2023 and experts  quoted by the BMJ say the actual toll is far higher.

Burnham became a member of Labour Friends of Israel in 2015 and during a Labour leadership bid the same year described the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement against Israel as “spiteful”.

He also promised to make Israel his first state visit if he won – calling the country a “democracy that has a long history of protecting minorities and promoting civil rights”.

The Muslim Vote, an organisation that monitors politicians’ views on Palestine, regards Burnham’s position as “unclear”.

Burnham supports a two-state solution and has denounced illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank. He visited the area in 2012 as part of a parliamentary delegation with Labour Friends of Palestine and the Council for Arab-British Understanding.

He was one of three senior Labour figures who in October 2023 released a statement breaking with Keir Starmer’s position and asking him to call for a ceasefire.  

​Burnham, along with London mayor Sadiq Khan and Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar, said Israel had the right to take “targeted action within international law”. However, they said they had “profound concerns” about the numbers killed in Gaza and the denial of aid.

The Manchester mayor also backed the formal recognition of a Palestinian state, co-signing a letter in June 2025 demanding the UK government take action to protect the two-state framework.

The UK went on to recognise a Palestinian state in September 2025.


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[–] 100 points 4 months ago (16 children)

A second Keir, and just as genocidal

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  • [–] 44 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Wanted to say the same. From the frying pan into the fire. Labour will get wrecked in the next elections.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Only for the similarly Israel funded Reform to win, because while we keep fighting on whether the next candidate is anti-Israel enough, Reform manages to unite the dumbfucks of the country.

    And if Brexit has proven anything it's that the damn country has way too many dumbfucks who'll gladly throw away everything just so a guy who blames the "right" people for the country's troubles gets to be PM.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm sorry that I draw the line at genocide.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    The "I'm flexible when it comes to child mass murder abroad if that stops the far-right for 4/5 more years here" crowd are something else.

    That's not having any Morals or Principles beyond "what in it for me".

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Same here, we are the worst. Basically we're terrorists for resisting fascism and genocide. We should be ashamed of our racism.

    anywho.. should we make tshirts? bbq maybe?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    So why you are giving reform and easy win? Labour is to blame of reform wins

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    So, lesser of two evils is the game? If that's the game we're playing, than will you be voting for Reform or Conservative? Because we can't vote for third parties like Labour. That would be throwing your vote away. The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative. If you believe that red lines don't matter, and that all that matters is choosing between one of the two parties that will win, then that means your choice currently is between Reform or Conservative. Labour is a third party. Labour is not a valid choice for anyone trying to be strategic and choose the lesser of two evils.

    So, will you be voting Reform or Conservative next election? Or suddenly will the lesser evil no longer apply?

    The only way anyone can support Labour right now is if they reject the lesser evil approach. Of course, if you do that, then you have no place whining about the red lines other voters have.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative

    That's untrue by any measure.

    If reform is top by voting intention, conservatives are third or fourth. If conservatives are top by MPs, reform are sixth or seventh.

    But it is true that actual Nati slogan-repeating racist, muslim-hating Nigel Farage has been polling highest, and it's legitimate to worry about him doing in the uk and the middle east what trump is doing in America and the middle east.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm talking about actual poll results:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

    It's Reform as the clear favorite, with Labor and the Conservatives dueling for the third spot, and the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Also consider the accuracy of polls three years in advance of an election.

    Reform's success is a problem, but an even worse problem is reinforcing the narrative that their success is inevitable.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Labor

    Labour.

    the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls

    According to the graph, that was true for a month in December last year and for most of the graph labour were leading the conservatives by a clear margin.

    So, I reiterate, your claim that the UK is a two horse race between reform and the tories is untrue by any measure.

    And it's especially not a strong argument if you'd rather I vote green than labour.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    Sure, and 9/11 was just a navigation error.

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  • [–] 66 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Oh, awesome. Another genocide apologist.

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  • [+] -38 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Hmm. Not strictly black and white, is it?

    "The Manchester mayor also backed the formal recognition of a Palestinian state, co-signing a letter in June 2025 demanding the UK government take action to protect the two-state framework."

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Anyone still advocating for a two-state solution is a Zionist enabler. People only bring that up out of ignorance or as a shiny thing to point at to prevent real progress.

    Sorry, but the "two state solution" has been dead and rotted in the ground for over a decade at this point. No serious person could look at a map of what used to be the West Bank and conclude that a two-state solution is anything other than a distraction technique in 2026. The West Bank is a Swiss cheese, the Palestinian population crammed into small ghettos isolated from each other. Trying to make a unified sovereign nation out of the West Bank would be like trying to make one out of the US's Indian reservations.

    https://www.doi.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/12_bia_regions.pdf

    A separate Palestinian state in 2026 is as delusional and enabling to fascists as a hypothetical liberal in the 1970s arguing for that South African Apartheid should be solved by giving the Bantustans independence.

    South African Bantustans:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan#%2Fmedia%2FFile%3ASouth_Africa_=&_South_West_Africa_Bantustans_Map.svg=

    Current state of the former West Bank:
    https://www.ochaopt.org/content/west-bank-access-restrictions-map-december-2025

    Feckless liberals love the two state solution. They love it because it requires them to advocate for nothing of substance. You don't have to actually do anything to "work towards" a two state solution. You can advocate for it without angering many people. But in practice it just enables Zionism. The two state solution made sense decades ago, while there was still a unified geographic area called the West Bank that could serve as a seat for a Palestinian state. Now "The West Bank" is a series of tiny ghettos landlocked within the Israeli regions of Judea and Sumeria. This is the reality the Zionists created on the ground while everyone else was fellating themselves about the two state solution.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for a delicious chocolate cake.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    So you don't want whatever a two state solution is, ok, what do you want?

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  • There are only three potential futures for Israel/Palestine:

    1. Apartheid (the status quo.)
    2. Genocide/ethnic cleansing
    3. A unified secular state representing all ethnic and religious groups (the post-Apartheid South Africa model.)

    I would prefer option 3. I know some campist clowns will say things like, "Israel should be destroyed!" But that's fantasy. Israel has a population of 10 million people. 80% of them were born there. You're talking millions of people with nowhere to go. Oh, and no one can force the Israelis out, as they have hydrogen bombs.

    I hope for a better future, and that's the only one that isn't a nightmare. There is a national identity waiting to be forged there, if things could go that way. The Israelis are very much the spiritual descendants of ancient Israel, while the Palestinians are the genetic descendants of ancient Israel. There's a path there to a shared national identity.

    The rest of the world should not be demanding a two state solution. The Israelis themselves have made that approach impossible. Instead, we should be demanding full freedom and equality for Israel's slave population (which is what the Palestinians functionally are at this point.) Palestinians are used by Israelis for their labor, but they have no control over the laws that govern them. They're born into this status and have no way to escape it. They have severely restricted freedom of movement and are carefully controlled and surveilled. What are they at this point other than a slave caste of the Israelis?

    We should not allow a nation to keep millions of innocent people in bondage. That needs to be the central moral call. Independence for the Palestinians isn't possible (unless they want to try and carve a homeland out of Antarctica.) The Israelis themselves aren't going anywhere. So there are your choices. Slavery. Genocide. Equality. I choose equality. We should be demanding that every resident of the West Bank and Gaza be granted full and equal Israeli citizenship. Israel deliberately made it so these people couldn't form their own state, so they can just be Israelis. Countries should demand this and start cutting trade and diplomatic ties until ends this nightmare.

    Really, at this point, the only positive outcome for the Palestinians is full and equal Israeli citizenship.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    Splendid, another twat.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    What a stupid asshole.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago*

    Very enthusiastic slaughter of civilians will do too. Hello Starmer v2.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Israel is doing exactly what it was made to do, why would the USA and UK betray their own creation? Especially since it's working.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    It's the greatest and most successful White Supremacist Nation of the present day, so of course it elicits warm fatherly feelings at least amongst the British Elites (who, by the way, before Hitler invaded Poland actually liked the NAZIs)

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago*

    "Big thing too big, politicians only think small, not big. Me not want to say what I really think".. neither do I Andy, because you'd have me kicked out of the country just like your predecessor. Same shit different asshole.

    I guess the pile of dead children is probably too big for him to acknowledge now. Where do you find such morally empty sad disgusting bitch ass fucking losers?

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago

    Tells me everything I needed to know about him

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago

    At least, not until they're all gone. /s

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Britain: the more things are made to look like they're changing, the more they stay the same.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    Another fucking coward.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago*

    What a disgusting excuse for a human being.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    The UK were instrumental in giving birth to this settler-colony by issuing the Balfour declaration in 1917, taking Palestine over after World War 1, arresting and executing Palestinian nationalists during the Arab uprising in 1936, and training the Irgun and Hagana Jewish terror gangs and then promptly high tailing it out of there when the going got rough. So its no surprise that British politicians are hand in glove supporting this current genocide.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Not that the 1917 Balfour declaration was well written or overly centered on justice-- "The Balfour Declaration" was merely a very short letter from a British foreign secretary Balfour to Lord Rothschild to sway Jews broadly for their support during WW1, when Jewish people globally were leaning heavily toward the German cause. It was not an official promise or policy document or government statement-- but zionists pretended it was more of an eternal policy declaration than it was. Israel immediately violated what protections the Balfour letter vaguely imagined.

    Balfour specified that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".

    Zionists immediately launched into violating civil and religious rights in minute #1 of the Israeli state's existence and they've never stopped for a single second since. There has never been an Israel there that wasnt based on hatred, racism, and vicious oppression that massively violates civil and religious rights.

    You also said the UK trained Irgun. I think you are mistaken. Irgun was primarily trained by instructors from the Polish Armed Forces in 1938 and 1939, with supplementary instruction received at the Military Engineers School in Fascist Italy. The training was facilitated through partnerships forged by Vladimir Jabotinsky’s Revisionist Zionist movement. Training Irgun was a nazi project. Irgun then became the IDF. Heres an interesting read on that: https://fpif.org/running-war/

    Irgun was attacking the Brits with terrorism attacks right before Israel was formed. Heres a timeline of those many attacks against the British.

    https://www.palquest.org/en/overallchronology?nid=139&chronos=139

    I'd argue that Israel was as much or more a nazi creation as it was the UK.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It never gets better, the next one is always worse

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm somewhat suspicious of the way the Guardian didn't actually publish the interview itself, but just their journalist's writeup of it. We're not told what the question he answered actually was, just what it was "about", and then the headline writers of the outlets quoting that quote take it a step further into implying that he's a full-on genocide denier.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yup. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/04/i-wouldnt-flinch-burnham-on-social-care-markets-brexit-and-the-prospect-of-a-general-election

    As usual, the far right Nazi sympathisers (in this case Nigel Farage) get a free pass for "leftist" single issue voters, just like Trump did and continues to do.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Corbyn was laid low by trumped-up accusations of anti-semitism, it would be ironic if the press did the same to AB for (supposedly) taking the opposite side.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    We did it Reddit

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    He wouldn't be the next in line if he did

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It's just diet genocide not the same thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    If you call our Israeli influence across national boundaries you are called an antisemite and a conspiracy theorist. But here we are, planting zionists in all the worlds leadership positions despite in being unpopular with the voters of "democracies"

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Amazing. They should have also asked him whether he can judge Russia’s war against Ukraine, China’s genocidal atrocities against Uyghurs, Tibetans, Mongolians and other minorities. And the war in Sudan. What does he say?

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    [–] 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Person wanting to be prime minister says least surprising (or doesn't) thing ever. What did people expect?

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    People were hoping he’d call a spade a spade I guess

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    So.... It being called or not being called a genocode is the divide to where killing civilans matters? Interesting

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    hey guys, this labour leader is not better. Let's allow "Reform" to win so that they can do the same thing AND purge britain of all the brown people and gay people.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Kind of oddly worded. Sounds like he doesn't want to comment on it because he's not PM yet.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    He is in the labour friend of israel organization

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    RIP bro

    Edit: do you have any evidence of this? Can't see him listed in any of the publicly available member lists.

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    [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    Not surprised. He‘s better than Starmer but doesn’t redeem labour. Greens it is.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Was there ever any doubt? He was chosen because he's a sell out. Stop letting the establishment choose your candidates or enjoy these cunts, those are your choices. Ours too in the US. We are both failing with no end in sight. Uggh. I am kind of out of politics because of it.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    He added: “But I do have concerns about the disproportionate nature of what has happened in terms of the destruction, and there has to be a full process of investigation and accountability.”

    The world-leading International Association of Genocide Scholars last year declared that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

    ​> Israel has killed at least 72,000 Palestinians there since 7 October 2023 and experts  quoted by the BMJ say the actual toll is far higher.

    Burn this party to the ground. This is how Biden talked... at THE START of the Genocide of Palestinians.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Denial of basic facts its not even an "opinion".

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    He oppose bds, he do not advocate for susprnding arms sale

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Amazing. They should have also asked him whether he can judge Russia's war against Ukraine, China's genocidal atrocities against Uyghurs, Tibetans, Mongolians and other minorities. And the war in Sudan. What does he say?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    How about we all agree it's mass murder, the evil killing of innocents. The definition of genocide is not the problem, mass murder is.

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    Touches his toes with the best of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    ruh roh rhaggy

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    [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Asked about the violence in an interview with the Guardian, he said: “I can’t judge things of that enormity from where I am as mayor of Greater Manchester.”

    Says the man hoping to be Prime Minister of a nation of 70 million.

    Tap for spoiler

    Burnham became a member of Labour Friends of Israel in 2015

    Edit: being "only" leader of a city is a weak excuse as well, considering historical precedent: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22976781

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I notice how much Burnham looks more and more like Starmer as the days pass. Slightly different clothes, slightly different glasses, slightly different accent.

    Remember when Starmer stood for Labour leadership on his list of 10 promises?

    1. Economic justice: Increase income tax for the top 5% of earners, reverse cuts to corporation tax and clamp down on tax avoidance.
    2. *Social justice: Abolish universal credit and the welfare sanctions regime, set a wellbeing goal and prioritise it equally with GDP, stand up for universal services, defend the NHS and scrap university tuition fees.
    3. Climate justice: A green new deal, introduce a Clean Air Act to tackle pollution locally and demand international action on climate rights.
    4. Promote peace and human rights: No more illegal wars, introduce a Prevention of Military Intervention Act, put human rights at the heart of foreign policy and review all UK arms sales.
    5. Common ownership: Support common ownership of rail, mail, energy and water, end outsourcing in our NHS, local government and justice system.
    6. Defend migrants’ rights: Full voting rights for EU nationals, defend freedom of movement post-Brexit, create an immigration system based on dignity and compassion, end indefinite detention and call for the closure of centres such as Yarl’s Wood.
    7. *Strengthen workers’ rights and trade unions: Work with trade unions, tackle insecure work and low pay, repeal the Trade Union Act, oppose Tory attacks on workers’ rights.
    8. Devolve power, wealth and opportunity: Introduce a federal system, including a regional investment bank and control over regional industrial strategy, abolish the House of Lords and replace it with an elected chamber.
    9. Equality Act: Remove obstacles to limit opportunities and talent by building on the achievements of the party, which include the Equal Pay Act, Sure Start, BAME representation and the abolition of Section 28.
    10. Provide effective opposition to the Tories: Provide “forensic” opposition to the government linked with the membership and a “professional election operation”, unite the party, promote pluralism and improve the party’s culture, take robust action to eradicate antisemitism and maintain effective links with trade unions.

    Sounds a bit like "Burnhamism" doesn't it. Hmmm....

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