Not surprised. He‘s better than Starmer but doesn’t redeem labour. Greens it is.
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Was there ever any doubt? He was chosen because he's a sell out. Stop letting the establishment choose your candidates or enjoy these cunts, those are your choices. Ours too in the US. We are both failing with no end in sight. Uggh. I am kind of out of politics because of it.
He added: “But I do have concerns about the disproportionate nature of what has happened in terms of the destruction, and there has to be a full process of investigation and accountability.”
The world-leading International Association of Genocide Scholars last year declared that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
> Israel has killed at least 72,000 Palestinians there since 7 October 2023 and experts quoted by the BMJ say the actual toll is far higher.
Burn this party to the ground. This is how Biden talked... at THE START of the Genocide of Palestinians.
Denial of basic facts its not even an "opinion".
He oppose bds, he do not advocate for susprnding arms sale
Amazing. They should have also asked him whether he can judge Russia's war against Ukraine, China's genocidal atrocities against Uyghurs, Tibetans, Mongolians and other minorities. And the war in Sudan. What does he say?
How about we all agree it's mass murder, the evil killing of innocents. The definition of genocide is not the problem, mass murder is.
Welp
Touches his toes with the best of them.
ruh roh rhaggy
A second Keir, and just as genocidal
Oh, awesome. Another genocide apologist.
Hmm. Not strictly black and white, is it?
"The Manchester mayor also backed the formal recognition of a Palestinian state, co-signing a letter in June 2025 demanding the UK government take action to protect the two-state framework."
This isn't some game of political points. The world's preeminent genocide scholars via their international body, the UN independent commission of inquiry, and a whole host of credible human rights organizations are calling it a genocide. Either a politician accepts overwhelming evidence or they live in post-truth lalaland, the same space as antivaxxers and climate deniers.
Actually it is, if you spare your mind this centrist liberal BS you wrote. It will be as clear as the tens of thousands of children that Israel killed/still killing in the past two years.
Anyone still advocating for a two-state solution is a Zionist enabler. People only bring that up out of ignorance or as a shiny thing to point at to prevent real progress.
Sorry, but the "two state solution" has been dead and rotted in the ground for over a decade at this point. No serious person could look at a map of what used to be the West Bank and conclude that a two-state solution is anything other than a distraction technique in 2026. The West Bank is a Swiss cheese, the Palestinian population crammed into small ghettos isolated from each other. Trying to make a unified sovereign nation out of the West Bank would be like trying to make one out of the US's Indian reservations.
https://www.doi.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/12_bia_regions.pdf
A separate Palestinian state in 2026 is as delusional and enabling to fascists as a hypothetical liberal in the 1970s arguing for that South African Apartheid should be solved by giving the Bantustans independence.
South African Bantustans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan#%2Fmedia%2FFile%3ASouth_Africa_=&_South_West_Africa_Bantustans_Map.svg=
Current state of the former West Bank:
https://www.ochaopt.org/content/west-bank-access-restrictions-map-december-2025
Feckless liberals love the two state solution. They love it because it requires them to advocate for nothing of substance. You don't have to actually do anything to "work towards" a two state solution. You can advocate for it without angering many people. But in practice it just enables Zionism. The two state solution made sense decades ago, while there was still a unified geographic area called the West Bank that could serve as a seat for a Palestinian state. Now "The West Bank" is a series of tiny ghettos landlocked within the Israeli regions of Judea and Sumeria. This is the reality the Zionists created on the ground while everyone else was fellating themselves about the two state solution.
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for a delicious chocolate cake.
So you don't want whatever a two state solution is, ok, what do you want?
There are only three potential futures for Israel/Palestine:
- Apartheid (the status quo.)
- Genocide/ethnic cleansing
- A unified secular state representing all ethnic and religious groups (the post-Apartheid South Africa model.)
I would prefer option 3. I know some campist clowns will say things like, "Israel should be destroyed!" But that's fantasy. Israel has a population of 10 million people. 80% of them were born there. You're talking millions of people with nowhere to go. Oh, and no one can force the Israelis out, as they have hydrogen bombs.
I hope for a better future, and that's the only one that isn't a nightmare. There is a national identity waiting to be forged there, if things could go that way. The Israelis are very much the spiritual descendants of ancient Israel, while the Palestinians are the genetic descendants of ancient Israel. There's a path there to a shared national identity.
The rest of the world should not be demanding a two state solution. The Israelis themselves have made that approach impossible. Instead, we should be demanding full freedom and equality for Israel's slave population (which is what the Palestinians functionally are at this point.) Palestinians are used by Israelis for their labor, but they have no control over the laws that govern them. They're born into this status and have no way to escape it. They have severely restricted freedom of movement and are carefully controlled and surveilled. What are they at this point other than a slave caste of the Israelis?
We should not allow a nation to keep millions of innocent people in bondage. That needs to be the central moral call. Independence for the Palestinians isn't possible (unless they want to try and carve a homeland out of Antarctica.) The Israelis themselves aren't going anywhere. So there are your choices. Slavery. Genocide. Equality. I choose equality. We should be demanding that every resident of the West Bank and Gaza be granted full and equal Israeli citizenship. Israel deliberately made it so these people couldn't form their own state, so they can just be Israelis. Countries should demand this and start cutting trade and diplomatic ties until ends this nightmare.
Really, at this point, the only positive outcome for the Palestinians is full and equal Israeli citizenship.
Support for a bantustan Palestinian puppet state is not a good thing.
So when he could do nothing he backed doing something and now that he can he wont? Complicit coward
How generous, to address a people by their proper title before erasing them from the earth.
It means nothing when you do not oppose arming israel and oppose BDS
Israel is doing exactly what it was made to do, why would the USA and UK betray their own creation? Especially since it's working.
"Big thing too big, politicians only think small, not big. Me not want to say what I really think".. neither do I Andy, because you'd have me kicked out of the country just like your predecessor. Same shit different asshole.
I guess the pile of dead children is probably too big for him to acknowledge now. Where do you find such morally empty sad disgusting bitch ass fucking losers?
Britain: the more things are made to look like they're changing, the more they stay the same.
The UK were instrumental in giving birth to this settler-colony by issuing the Balfour declaration in 1917, taking Palestine over after World War 1, arresting and executing Palestinian nationalists during the Arab uprising in 1936, and training the Irgun and Hagana Jewish terror gangs and then promptly high tailing it out of there when the going got rough. So its no surprise that British politicians are hand in glove supporting this current genocide.
Not that the 1917 Balfour declaration was well written or overly centered on justice-- "The Balfour Declaration" was merely a very short letter from a British foreign secretary Balfour to Lord Rothschild to sway Jews broadly for their support during WW1, when Jewish people globally were leaning heavily toward the German cause. It was not an official promise or policy document or government statement-- but zionists pretended it was more of an eternal policy declaration than it was. Israel immediately violated what protections the Balfour letter vaguely imagined.
Balfour specified that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".
Zionists immediately launched into violating civil and religious rights in minute #1 of the Israeli state's existence and they've never stopped for a single second since. There has never been an Israel there that wasnt based on hatred, racism, and vicious oppression that massively violates civil and religious rights.
You also said the UK trained Irgun. I think you are mistaken. Irgun was primarily trained by instructors from the Polish Armed Forces in 1938 and 1939, with supplementary instruction received at the Military Engineers School in Fascist Italy. The training was facilitated through partnerships forged by Vladimir Jabotinsky’s Revisionist Zionist movement. Training Irgun was a nazi project. Irgun then became the IDF. Heres an interesting read on that: https://fpif.org/running-war/
Irgun was attacking the Brits with terrorism attacks right before Israel was formed. Heres a timeline of those many attacks against the British.
https://www.palquest.org/en/overallchronology?nid=139&chronos=139
I'd argue that Israel was as much or more a nazi creation as it was the UK.
It never gets better, the next one is always worse
I'm somewhat suspicious of the way the Guardian didn't actually publish the interview itself, but just their journalist's writeup of it. We're not told what the question he answered actually was, just what it was "about", and then the headline writers of the outlets quoting that quote take it a step further into implying that he's a full-on genocide denier.
As usual, the far right Nazi sympathisers (in this case Nigel Farage) get a free pass for "leftist" single issue voters, just like Trump did and continues to do.
It's just diet genocide not the same thing.
The UN has called it genocide. I don't even think we can joke about diet genocide anymore. I'm not really sure what other international authority on this type of stuff needs to call it genocide for people to stop tiptoeing around it.
If you call our Israeli influence across national boundaries you are called an antisemite and a conspiracy theorist. But here we are, planting zionists in all the worlds leadership positions despite in being unpopular with the voters of "democracies"
Amazing. They should have also asked him whether he can judge Russia’s war against Ukraine, China’s genocidal atrocities against Uyghurs, Tibetans, Mongolians and other minorities. And the war in Sudan. What does he say?
Person wanting to be prime minister says least surprising (or doesn't) thing ever. What did people expect?
People were hoping he’d call a spade a spade I guess
Not a chance here, he is an establishment tool. It's good to get rid of Keir but this guy is going to be just as bad.
At least acknowledge we are seeing the same horrible reality so that we can make the same effective work for change.
People expected a leader who had some interest in what his constituents want instead of what monied genocidal foreign power demands.
For someone wanting to be labour leader, not surprising. But there are others with PM ambitions.
So.... It being called or not being called a genocode is the divide to where killing civilans matters? Interesting
hey guys, this labour leader is not better. Let's allow "Reform" to win so that they can do the same thing AND purge britain of all the brown people and gay people.
Kind of oddly worded. Sounds like he doesn't want to comment on it because he's not PM yet.
He is in the labour friend of israel organization
RIP bro
Edit: do you have any evidence of this? Can't see him listed in any of the publicly available member lists.
wikipedia offers only an indirect relation
In 2010, Jennifer Gerber, previously director of Progress and before that, special advisor to Andy Burnham, was appointed director.
Asked about the violence in an interview with the Guardian, he said: “I can’t judge things of that enormity from where I am as mayor of Greater Manchester.”
Says the man hoping to be Prime Minister of a nation of 70 million.

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Burnham became a member of Labour Friends of Israel in 2015
Edit: being "only" leader of a city is a weak excuse as well, considering historical precedent: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22976781
I notice how much Burnham looks more and more like Starmer as the days pass. Slightly different clothes, slightly different glasses, slightly different accent.
Remember when Starmer stood for Labour leadership on his list of 10 promises?
- Economic justice: Increase income tax for the top 5% of earners, reverse cuts to corporation tax and clamp down on tax avoidance.
- *Social justice: Abolish universal credit and the welfare sanctions regime, set a wellbeing goal and prioritise it equally with GDP, stand up for universal services, defend the NHS and scrap university tuition fees.
- Climate justice: A green new deal, introduce a Clean Air Act to tackle pollution locally and demand international action on climate rights.
- Promote peace and human rights: No more illegal wars, introduce a Prevention of Military Intervention Act, put human rights at the heart of foreign policy and review all UK arms sales.
- Common ownership: Support common ownership of rail, mail, energy and water, end outsourcing in our NHS, local government and justice system.
- Defend migrants’ rights: Full voting rights for EU nationals, defend freedom of movement post-Brexit, create an immigration system based on dignity and compassion, end indefinite detention and call for the closure of centres such as Yarl’s Wood.
- *Strengthen workers’ rights and trade unions: Work with trade unions, tackle insecure work and low pay, repeal the Trade Union Act, oppose Tory attacks on workers’ rights.
- Devolve power, wealth and opportunity: Introduce a federal system, including a regional investment bank and control over regional industrial strategy, abolish the House of Lords and replace it with an elected chamber.
- Equality Act: Remove obstacles to limit opportunities and talent by building on the achievements of the party, which include the Equal Pay Act, Sure Start, BAME representation and the abolition of Section 28.
- Provide effective opposition to the Tories: Provide “forensic” opposition to the government linked with the membership and a “professional election operation”, unite the party, promote pluralism and improve the party’s culture, take robust action to eradicate antisemitism and maintain effective links with trade unions.
Sounds a bit like "Burnhamism" doesn't it. Hmmm....
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