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[–] 191 points 5 months ago (39 children)

People from anywhere can cook authentic food from anywhere else as long as they know what they are doing, so this is bs

It reminded me of this asshole, who happened to be Italian, claiming that a professionally trained chef could not cook proper Italian food because he was Mexican

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  • [–] 53 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Every good Greek restaurant I've ever been to had a kitchen full of Mexican cooks. Most of my favorite Chinese takeout places were run by Koreans. Folks cook food.

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  • [–] 48 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    Even the concept of food being "authentic" or "inauthentic" is pretty dumb. Pretty much every food short of raw foraged ingredients is the result of cultural exchange.

    You could argue that an Italian cooking with chilis or tomatoes is inauthentic and that the resulting food is more Mexican than it is Italian.

    Extending the concept from ingredients to techniques, you could argue that every food that relies on the cold chain (refrigerated/frozen storage and transportation) is an American food because the cold chain was created by an American.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    its about expectations. I grew up in California and have some specific expectations about Mexican food. they are different than if I was raised in Jalisco. I went to a "Mexican" restaurant in Budapest and their interpretation of Mexican food is VERRY different.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Mexico, like the vast majority of countries, has wildly different food styles by region city so anyone who immigrated elsewhere will start with their local style and then adapt it. In the US there are a ton of Mexican restaurants that vary significantly. I find it interesting how Americanized Chinese food is actually very consistent between restaurants compared to Mexican food.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    I remember watching a video somewhere that touched upon this. IIRC, whenever a Chinese immigrant came to a city in the United States with a large Chinese population, such as San Francisco, they would seek out people from their hometown and would often be directed to benevolent societies. These societies help provide means for the immigrant to start looking after themselves, by offering different professions folks can jump into. Often times that would include providing recipes for dishes they could fix up at restaurants.

    I think the video was a documentary about General Tso's chicken.

    -editted for accuracy-

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Okay I made a quick pop in to Wikipedia just to check, and I can tell you that General Tsao and General Tso were different people. Several different people in fact, some fictional and others real, but they don't overlap.

    It's "General Tso's Chicken" and has been a NYT Crossword clue, which got me started with "in case you ever need it for a crossword clue," because I know accurate spelling is not really necessary here.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I mean spelling Chinese names in romaji (romachi?) is a crapshoot to begin with. The only consistent English spelling in "General Tzo" is "General"

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I am well aware of the regional differences in Mexican food (why I used Jalisco as an example).

    shit, California was a part of mexico for a a few decades and we definitely have some local variants (CA Burrito is so good)

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  • San Francisco is known for its burritos, but elsewhere in the bay we have a bunch of taco trucks that will fill you up delicious, cheap, and for those of you with food allergies these trucks at least take them seriously. We have "street" tacos at least once a week.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I went to a β€œMexican” restaurant in Budapest and their interpretation of Mexican food is VERRY different.

    Very different to what you experience in the USA? or very different to what you'd experience in Mexico?

    Most Mexican food in the USA is TexMex which is inspired, but fairly different, from actual Mexican food... same with Chinese food

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Tex-Mex is "actual" Mexican food, the cuisine formed from the Tejanos and is older than either Texas or Mexico. Mexico is a big place with lots of regional variation. Most Mexican food that Americans are familiar with is from or inspired by stuff near the border (which makes sense) with a mix from all over the country like mole, birria, and tequila.

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  • Where are you basing that off and what regions? Like, I grew up working around the Statesian southwest. I had a good friend (a Mexican immigrant) when I lived in Austin, TX and I would gripe to her about not finding "real" Mexican food. She took me to a few places and then I cooked her tacos to show her what I meant. East Mexico and West Mexico (according to my friend) use entirely different salsas because of different availability of easy fresh ingredients. So I grew up eating baja style tacos, white people enchilada casserole (my mom made a good recipe what can I say. The salsa is tomato and The Duck), while she grew up with lots of butter and molΓ©. So now our eating comprehension quiz: Q1) Which is better? A1) Fuck you they're both delicious, I just prefer baja style tacos because it's what I grew up with. I like Oaxaca style better than that. Imagine thinking Mexico was merely one region and one culture. Q2) Which is more authentic? A2) see A1.

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  • I dont think most Mexican food in the US is tex-mex. Fast food like taco bell isnt tex-mex, and most taco trucks and takeout places aren't. The main category of restaurant that seems to be largely tex-mex are sit-down places with names like "El Mariachi" that cater to non-hispanic people and advertise the cheapness of their margaritas.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    It is wild how much local cultural food is am invention of the past couple hundred years.

    I have a family recipe that goes back hundreds of years, it doesnt look anything like people would consider a cultural food from western Europe and even then it uses tomatoes so it literally can't be truly old.

    Heck look at how the world makes pancakes. They are all the same just somehow mixed up based on loose info or available ingredients.

    Cooking a nice meal is a modern invention. Before it was just food to not kill you.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    It’s less the who and more the branding. It’s funny that one has to have the right β€œlook” to sell you the food of a nation, or customers will reject it. The sorts of comments you hear while working in a Chinese run Japanese restaurant in the US…

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Like, they have this sushi bar at the HEB I used to shop at. Right next to the tortillary. The folk working the sushi counter are as Latino as I am weird. But you can get an 8 pack of nigiri or a 12 of maki for cheap and made right in front of you.

    I have nearly every other gastro disease, but those never made me sick and tasted about what they cost, which was nice when I was broke and still needed sushi to properly maintain a healthy gut macrobiome

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    My absolute favorite sushi place for ages was a conveyor belt shop run by a family of jovial Mexican sushi chefs and one very stern Korean woman. Cheap, tasty, consistent, fresh. They profited through volume, but doing so was murder on their joints, so swapped to typical prices and seating. I’m just glad that food bigots are the minority in my new area.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    People from anywhere can cook authentic food from anywhere else as long as they know what they are doing, so this is bs

    It is a bit surreal to suggest your nation of birth or genetic lineage somehow influences your capacity to slap a piece of fish on some rice.

    Also... if you want to get really anal about the history of the dish, narezushi originated in modern day Cambodia/Thailand, and first documented in ancient China around the 4th century. Meanwhile, the more modern techniques for preparing and serving sushi did originate in Tokyo in the 19th century, but spread like wildfire. Sushi restaurants were popping up in Los Angeles as early as 1906.

    It reminded me of this asshole, who happened to be Italian, claiming that a professionally trained chef could not cook proper Italian food because he was Mexican

    A professionally trained chief should be able to faithfully reproduce a litany of dishes from around the world.

    Of course, there's a lot of regional variation and conditions. I might suggest that you cannot reliably produce a Genovese sauce outside of Genova, simply because you don't have the locally raised veal, for instance. But that's not a problem unique to chefs of a particular national origin.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I don't know that you'd even want to serve truely authentic food since you want to appeal to local tastes. See: Chinese Food in the USA.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I love maki sushi, but I think uramaki sushi is pretty shit. It just so happens that uramaki sushi was invented by a Japanese chef trying to trick Americans into eating seaweed, which they thought was gross. But I love seaweed and I think uramaki ruins it by hiding it behind the rice. So I prefer authentic sushi.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah i was just thinking specifically Chinese food. Authentic Chinese food is like chicken feet and scorpions on a stick and stuff.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, food is food.

    As a white guy I like to make Indian or Thai from scratch. Sometimes I have asked an Indian friend what spices they would start with in dishX and he's said "you're doing it from scratch? I just buy the premix packets at the grocery store"

    So who is making the authentic Indian food?

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    β€œauthentic” in terms of food and restaurant culture is just a dog whistle for β€œracist.”

    Like please. I’m not in Italy, it’s not β€œauthentic” it’s just Italian food. Food is a universal language and words added like β€œauthentic” are just plain bigoted.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Most people take 'authentic' to mean 'similar to what you'd find in the country of origin'. There's nothing racist about it, it's about expectations.

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  • [+] 56 points 5 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    In my teenage years I embarrassed myself by trying to order in Japanese... The server was Korean.

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  • It's okay, happens to the best of us. I'm half Korean, half Czech, but I look like a big Polynesian dude. Not too long ago I went to a "Korean BBQ" place in the Midwest where the server greeted me in Korean. Which I thought was strange because he looked Chinese, but hey who am I to judge, I look Polynesian.

    So I started to speak to him in Korean, and the dude panicked and ran away to get the manger who was Korean. Seems as if the manager/owners were Koreans hiring Chinese immigrants and having them pretend to be Korean to non Korean people.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Are you me? I would do this because I didn't have anywhere else to practice Japanese outside of class. The first Japanese restaurant I went to the experience was great; the waitress was first or second gen and seemed tickled that this random white girl was trying to communicate with her in broken Japanese. The second place I went the waitress replied with embarrassment that she was Korean. I didn't try again after that.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Oh man, my family is Okinawan, and when we were visiting Aomori, this touristy market had an Okinawa fair going on and my kids went to go get a traditional Okinawan donut snack (we had been travelling for two weeks and they missed the taste of home), and when my kids thanked the staff in Okinawan, they looked really puzzled because I think they were just mainlanders selling Okinawan goods. I'm not even sure if they were even aware that we have a different language here. My kids looked really bummed.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I go to a Japanese restaurant to eat Japanese food. Not to eat a Japanese waiter or chef.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Most Hawaiian Barbecue restaurants around here aren't run by Hawaiians.

    Most donut shops around here aren't run by people from... wherever donuts came from.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Most Hawaiian Barbecue restaurants around here aren't run by Hawaiians.

    I'm landlocked in the US and a Hawaiian BBQ joint opened up. A friend went and was disappointed because they were serving things like fried spam on wonder bread.

    jokes on them, that's about as authentic as you can get without roasting a whole hog in the backyard while everybody gets pissed drunk.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I expect girl guide cookies to be made with real girl guides

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    I am Turkish.
    I go to Turkish restaurants.
    Lots of Arabs working there.
    Same food has become part of their culture too over last few centuries living side by side.
    Some of our food is straight up borrowed from them, in fact.
    Pretty sure one used to live/work in Turkey.
    They cook it well.
    I like it.

    I assume similar?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    I have to share this: I have learned that TΓΌrkiye has a culture of cats. Cats, tea, coffee, and delicious gyro. It was on the internet therefore it must be true. If it weren't for the government I'd be looking at a music fellowship there.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago
    [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You know the Panda Express gonna be bussin when you walk in and the staff is 100% Mexican.

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  • Panda express

    Dude I'll just make you Chinese food at this point. you want my secret sweet and sour, lo merton (I fucked up the lo mein but it turned out okay and I kept the fuckup recipe. It just seemed disrespectful to keep calling it lo mein), or I can learn to make sesame beefles.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Not enough Latinos/Hispanics.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Came here to say this, as someone with first hand experience there should be at least a Mexican either doing the dishes or running the prep and maybe another hurrying stuff around or running the floor

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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    An army travels on its stomach. -- Napoleon

    Americans can sit still because from farm to table Hispanics/Latinos are how food travels to American stomachs. Even the best pizza shop I ever lived next to (run by Pakistanis) still depended on central and south American labor to get everything into their Italian kitchen.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    My favorite sushi spot is run exclusively by Koreans

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