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[–] 89 points 5 months ago*

I've said it for years, you vote for Trump for one of three reasons (usually multiple of the three listed but at the very least one).

  1. you are a brainwashed cultist.

  2. you are a bigot.

  3. you are greedy.

I haven't seen a single Trump voter that doesn't fulfill at least one of these requirements, and I still feel nothing for them. If I could transpose all the suffering they've caused to others onto them, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

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  • [–] 160 points 5 months ago (36 children)

    You shouldn't expect someone to care about you just because you give them power. You should give power to people who care about you!

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  • [+] -56 points 5 months ago* (26 children)

    You should give power to people who care about you!

    That only leaves the Green Party, though.

    And yeah, we learned that lesson with Obama's presidency. The man had a supermajority for a while and all he did was make fascism worse and health care more expensive.

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    Mind-blowing how people have forgotten the time before the ACA, which limited insurer excess profit and forbid denial due to pre-existing conditions

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    Yeah, now it's just so expensive I avoid treatment altogether and therefore can't get denied.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    It for sure sucks now! Lieberman killed the public option and things have only gotten worse since then as we haven't taken on the usury of insurance, PE hospitals, and pharma, but the ACA was a step in the right direction that's been continuously sabotaged ever since it was implemented

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    but the ACA was a step in the right direction

    The ACA was a turd with some rhetorical polish. That's it, and anyone seeking health care in this country knows it.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Still waiting on your dear leader's 'concept of plan'.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

    Pretty lazy response.

    I'm not a Donald supporter. I'm just also unwilling to pretend that a regressive health care system is a good thing because it came from the Blue MAGA instead of the Red MAGA, especially considering Obama could have (and should have) done better. .

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

    Lol, you sure have a lot of opinions. What part about it is 'lazy'?

    Edit: What is your plan? Enlighten us wise one.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    The lazy bit was to jump to Trump supporter after hearing criticism of party.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

    Is it any more 'lazy' than this person jumping straight to Obama as the responsible 'party 'when the ACA is mentioned?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    For better or worse it was his flagship legislation.

    I don't really care though, it isn't a laziness competition.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    For better or worse it was his flagship legislation.

    Here's a refresher for you on which branch does what. (Hint: the President is the Executive branch, and Congress is the Legislative branch).

    USA.gov - Branches of Government

    And here's more about the ACA, including who introduced it to Congress...I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Obama.

    Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia

    I understand it is commonly referred to as one of his flagship policies, but my point is that he is one person in a much larger process. Do you disagree?

    I don't really care though, it isn't a laziness competition.

    No competition, I was asking what the difference between the two were. You seemed to have no problem stating your opinion when the question was directed at someone else, so I wanted to give you a platform to continue with your thoughts, feelings, and opinions on that subject to expand the discussion. But like you said, 'I don't really care though'.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    I remember having these kinds of arguments in 2015.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    No argument, just seeking clarification. I put a mirror to the DDRMobOfSolo's opinion, you jumped in the conversation to defend, I asked a few clarifying questions, you back peddled and ruminated on past discussions from 10+ years ago, but you never answered any of the questions presented. Gold star for you bud.

    At this point, if you do think of any answers or a rebuttle, keep it to yourself for another 10+ years.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I’m not a Donald supporter.

    You're every bit as intelligent as one. You're Blue MAGA, you fucking idiot.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm voting blue regardless, and I hope that the person you're responding to probably will as well. I liked Obama's approach, his demeanor, but not everything that he did. Despite that, I voted for him twice.

    MAGA, pretty famously now, has no principles. They require loyalty to trump despite any policy flip flops.

    His not being a fan of something Obama did because he thinks Obama should have known and done better is somehow following a MAGA playbook?

    I know where you're coming from. I'm terrified that Putin's goon squad will somehow wreck any chance of recovery in November. But I doubt I'll stop being critical of the Democratic leadership. Instead of having the approach "view blue despite all these internal party issues" we should be trying "vote blue and get involved to help us fix these issues."

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I'm voting blue regardless, and I hope that the person you're responding to probably will as well.

    This is an ignorant approach. Do your homework, think for yourself, and vote based on the candidate(s), not solely party affiliation.

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  • [+] -44 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    So I shouldn't vote for anyone. Got it.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Honestly if that's what your takeaway is, the world would be a better place if you didn't vote. Moron.

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  • [–] 49 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone who has not noticed that Trump cares solely about Trump should get their head checked.

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  • [–] 80 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Sad that they're such assholes who lack empathy that they are only regretting their vote now that it's hurting them.

    They didn't and probably still don't care about the grift, the racism, the rape, the dictatorship, et cetera.

    They're garbage people and I don't feel bad for them. If they turn away from all the other stuff - then I'll have some empathy.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    IMO they haven't been hurt enough. I want farms lost. Jobs lost, I want them broken

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    And then what? What does this accomplish? What’s the end goal beyond more suffering and radicalization?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)
    1. The sense of satisfaction that these assholes get what they voted for. Remember, these are the same people who do not give a shit about the suffering of other people, like woman, queers, etc.
    2. Maybe, that suffering will let them finally open their eyes, see beyond propaganda, and reduce the cult following.
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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    The person I responded to said they want these people broken. Jobs lost, farms confiscated, essentially homeless and ruined.

    77 million people voted for Trump. Roughly a third of voting age individuals. What exactly are you suggesting? Do we jail them all? Where do we put them in that case? Or should they just be executed? Concentration camps? Slave labor?

    What do you suggest we do with a third of the country who have no jobs, no prospects, utterly broken, and with nothing to lose?

    I don’t like these folks, but I don’t think you or the previous person I replied to are thinking through the actual ramifications here. Economically this would ruin the country even in a good economy (which this is decidedly not). This would lead to civil war as the best case scenario, and any other scenario would be either insane levels of human rights violations or downright genocide.

    And on top of all that, it wouldn’t actually solve any of the issues our country is facing in the near term. It would do nothing about the ringleaders, the manipulation, the corruption. Punishing idiots and assholes is vengeance of a kind, but it’s not a solution and won’t fix anything.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    All of those are insane suggestions I haven't seen anyone make but you.

    If a Trump supporter is hurt by his policies, the worst I'm going to is have zero sympathy, offer zero support and refuse to let them think anyone is at fault but themselves.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If there were some group that wasn't the very group that's hurting them to buy up their lands and resources. Then you might have a point. Then it would be extremely fitting for them to have to work on what used to be their lands that they lost through mismanagement. But that's not what would happen. Wealthy oligarchs will buy at the land for pennies on the dollar put them out of work and not create a job in its place. We will all suffer collectively just so one very uninformed dumb person suffers as well. That's a very conservative mindset

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    The thing is that most other people, many of whom didn't vote for the toddler in chief, will share in that fate.

    It's that collateral damage you're willing to accept just for the commupance?

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They voted for somebody just like them who only cares about himself.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    There's a lot of debate over how we "ought" to view these people. Man, feel how you wanna feel. You have a right to be angry with them. Fuck, they are stupid assholes. You can also feel pity and have a desire to find common ground. It's normal to celebrate a redemption arc.

    But one thing you can't argue, is that the signs weren't there. That those folks had no way of knowing that Trump was a grifting, lying, narcissistic, rapist idiot criminal. All these dumb fucks on tv acting surprised, not doing themselves any favors right now. Look inward, realize you're an imbecile or a bigoted shitheel for buying into his bullshit, and then start over. Get on tv and say "holy fuck I am a bad person" and that redemption arc gets realistic.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    at this point i don't even need them to admit they're anything but angelic of mind, all i need them to admit is "i made a mistake, i fucked up and should have acted differently".
    And yet even that is beyond most trump voters.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago* (10 children)

    Honestly If half of you country is like these people, you'd better secede and leave them try to live their bigoted selfish lives at their fullest to see what happens.

    They don't have a grain of empathy, introspection, education or critical thinking.

    If anything, this shitshow shown people's true colours and we know some of them are barely monkeys with guns. I dont want to live next to these assholes.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If half of you country is like these people, you’d better secede and leave them try to live their bigoted selfish lives at their fullest to see what happens.

    I don't disagree with you on them not having a grain of empathy, but seceding like this... won't happen. This is more often than not a urban/rural divide, so my state which votes like this has two major metros that vote against this sort of thing, as well as a smaller college town. Flipside the neighboring state of Illinois is known for being blue and voted against Trump and his policies because Chicago has more control over the state while the farmlands are red.

    California has a major right wing movement in entire segments of its state that is trying to secede from the state.

    If we go into a civil war again, it won't be like last time with a north vs south, it's going to be a nationwide clusterfuck. Washington, Oregon, California is the closest to being able to pull off a splitting off from the country and it being a line.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    USian here, and it's as sad as it is scary. So many people like this lead a lazy passive existence where they put so little thought into their lives that they can be led to vote for Trump for over a decade and only today be surprised like this. And those are the "good" ones who are merely ignorant and self-centered, that aren't just proud to be nazis.

    Here on Lemmy we talk about problems like controlled opposition and implicit support of genocide on the other side of the world. But compared with the median american voter we are like those geologists in the meme about how experts in a field wildly over estimate the general public's knowledge of their field. And I am NOT saying we Lemmings are policy experts -- I'm saying the average schmuck is that far behind our internet "discourse" bullshit.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    It's not half of the country, it's half of the people that voted, and there is heavy voter suppression to keep people from voting. But the problem is deeper than the people. The same number of idiots and the same number of selfish people are in every country. That is something people seriously need to understand. It doesn't matter what country you're in, these same kinds of assholes are next to you whether you're aware of them or not.

    So you might wonder why not every country has an administration as vile as Trump. The reason is systemic. Elections need to work in a way that doesn't give an advantage to certain candidates. No corporate or shady political donations. No bribes. No gerrymandering. No conflicts of interest. Stuff like ranked choice voting would help as well. Also automatic voter registration with universal mail in voting. Nobody should have to make a registration appointment 5 months before an election just to get the right to vote in it. And yes, I've had friends that had to book their appointments that far in advance. And no waiting in line for 4 hours to vote. And yes, I've had to stand in line for that long outside in 35+C heat to vote. There must be enforced laws to protect the integrity of elections and to keep rich and powerful assholes from controlling their outcome. When politicians do corrupt things, there needs to be consequences. Trump should have been in prison long before the election. And as the US currently exists, only rich and powerful people that accept money from billionaires can get elected. A government should be made up of the people, not of the billionaires. When politicians are billionaires, they don't represent us. At the same time, the media needs to be independent and free from the influence of billionaires as well. No single company should own most of the television and radio stations, TV channels, and streaming networks in a country. And nothing should be able to broadcast straight up propaganda with political motives and present it as news. And there needs to be a wealth tax to keep people from even becoming billionaires because wealth buys power and influence. If the goal is to keep the wealthy from having more influence than the working class, then there needs to be a cap on how wealthy someone can be. When these safeguards are removed, there is no country on the planet that won't eventually end up in the exact same situation as the US is in right now.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I mean they did try and there was a whole war about. Problem was there were all forgiven in an attempt to " heal the country"

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And we learned the hard, 150 year lesson that you can't heal the country with active Traitors in the neighborhood. They will only poison the system, and keep it from being successful.

    The French did it right, and made some strong examples of people, and taught the wealthy and powerful that they serve at the pleasure of the CITIZENS. The problem with the current crop of Sociopathic Oligarchs is that they don't believe that we'll ever break loose, and they also believe that if we did, their bunkers would protect them.

    We are strongly socialized to obey the law, and behave within societal norms, but the wealthy are beating on that with a sledgehammer, and eventually it will collapse. When the Dam of Society finally breaks, it will break terrible, just like during the French Revolution, and not only will the Oligarchs lose, so will their entire bloodlines.

    They would be very wise to negotiate a settlement before it gets that far. They will lose a LOT of their fortunes, but they will still have more than enough to live opulently, just not enough to be an existential threat to the entire planet.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The French did it right

    Stupid fucking ahistorical nonsense. The French had a bloodbath that resulted in a dictatorship and then a return of the monarchy. That's "doing it right" only if you're a dumbasss.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (1 child)
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    Of course he fucking does not care. He is way to busy milking as much money as he can get out of the presidency while distracting or even getting immunities for the crimes he committed. Why should he care for people who were dumb enough to vote for him?

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    These people are so mentally defective 🤦‍♀️ they're so incapable of caring about others and they're only ever thinking about themselves that they vote for people just like them who also only think about themselves, then they're actually surprised when their candidates only think about themselves.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago

    My message to every Trump voter in this situation:

    You didn't care when he fucked over other people, but because you're the one being bent over, now you're upset?

    Good. I am glad you're on the receiving end.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I'm trying to put that as neutral as I can.

    How do these people think politics work. I mean do they think that voting for a person or a party grants them some kind of personal (parasocial) relationship?

    I'm pretty sure that exists outside the US also, but I have only seen that coming from the US so far.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That is just the right wing populism playbook. They know that their most ardent voters are several chicken nuggets short of a happy meal, so they turn it into a us vs them contest, as if politics was a sport.

    It works because these people lack critical thinking skills, they never ask the obvious question, "why would a billionaire do things that would harm billionaires?"

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I know what you mean, and it makes sense, but there is something in me that wants to think, that a majority of people aren't this naïve and fall for this.

    Maybe I'm naïve here in the end...

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Humans are naturally tribalistic and it exists on all spectrums regardless how much you force 'education' down their throats.

    Emotions, ego, bias, you name it, people just gravitate a certain way. A majority of Trump/Republican voters, I presume, are also acting on habit they're forebearers set.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Just remember that this person is probably smarter than a significant chunk of the voter base

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    Raise your hand if you saw this shit coming and feel no remorse for "I was duped" crowd 🙋‍♂️

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    That was your line in the sand? Fuck you, lady.

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I mean, yeah - it's only 28 seconds long. Not like there's a lot of deep shit in there. She's pissed off because Trump doesn't care about Americans who are in financial stress.

    Like, let's put aside the fact that you have to be the stupidest motherfucker on the planet to not realize that shit before now. The fact that that was her line in the sand for finally saying: "no - I don't like this guy" is damning as hell on her character. It's not the misogyny or rape. It's not the pedophilia. It's not the decades of fraud. It's not even his moral bankruptcy. Nope - it's "he doesn't care about ME!!!"

    Fuck that lady.

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  • [+] -48 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    the fact that you have to be the stupidest motherfucker on the planet

    That is not a fact. They're not stupid, as evidenced by a willingness to consider new evidence and change their opinion.

    They were lied to, just like you were when Joe Biden made extravagant promises and then prioritized a genocide over helping your family eat.

    It also doesn't help your case that, until COVID, cost of living was significantly less expensive in the US during Donald's first term. COL was never, ever anything but spiraling out of control under Joe Biden, and Harris (evidently a stupid motherfucker) publicly confirmed she wouldn't have done anything differently.

    These people had a reason to think the economy would be better under Donald because they actually experienced it. Even with the grift and Donald being such a slimy son of a bitch.

    You're putting words in their mouth here.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago

    That is not a fact. They’re not stupid

    Incorrect. They are incredibly stupid people.

    just like you were when Joe Biden made extravagant promises and then prioritized a genocide over helping your family eat.

    Bro, what the fuck are you smoking? Do you think that I'm a fucking Biden stan? What in the world gave you that idea? You should probably stop sniffing your own farts and making up your own reality.

    These people had a reason to think the economy would be better under Donald because they actually experienced it. Even with the grift and Donald being such a slimy son of a bitch.

    Yes. The reason was that they were stupid as hell. Also, the vast majority of them are also racist pieces of shit. So that helps.

    You’re putting words in their mouth here.

    You're trying to polish a turd, for some reason. No idea why you would have the desire to do such a thing. But these people are straight up trash with zero redeeming qualities.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    He’s never cared about you lady and never will

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