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[–] 170 points 5 months ago (23 children)

Twice a year the entire country collectively agrees the clock change is annoying, unhealthy, and pointless, and then somehow we still keep doing it.

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  • [–] 64 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    I recall this had gained momentum under Biden but ultimately failed for what I can only perceive as the GOP not wanting that W to happen under the Dems.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (19 children)

    From what I understand parents were freaking out about having their kids outside in the dark either before or after school, I don't remember which. That's the only argument against it I think I've ever heard.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I used to wait at the bus stop in the winter at 6am when it was still pitch black out.

    It would be light before the bus got there and dark again within two hours of getting home.

    This was in Minneapolis, but I lived in the south side while going to a specialized program at North High, the other side of the city, so it wasn't typical.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Anywhere in the north quarter of the continental US already has kids waiting for the bus in the dark, regardless of DST. It's a poor argument from the get go

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    I mean you get screwed on one side of the equation anyway just because of sunlight hours shortening by the season. Hell, Alaskans have months without meaningful sunlight. And then months with basically 24h sunlight. Unless jobs were to adjust their hours with the seasons theres no way not to get screwed at some point.

    There's an appreciable increase in cardiovascular events and car accidents when we lose an hour. For that reason alone we should stop the stupid clock changing.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Ah, North High. I played a bunch of flash games and watched the back half of the Naruto Chuunin Exams arc in the media center there since Cartoon Network’s website wasn’t blocked for some reason. Good times.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    So just move it 30 minutes one last time and call it good.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    So then it would be say 4pm on the East Coast of the US and something 30 in every other country? That would make things more confusing for everyone. The rest of the world would have to agree to this and that ain't happening.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Stock market. Everyone is waiting for NY to decide, because an hour shift has huge rippling effects for trading algorithms. It hasn't happened because of $$$, not because leaders care about kids.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    Kids waiting for the bus in the dark is the most legitimate concern when it comes to this issue.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    That's gonna happen anyway. There is no way to guarantee a reasonable sunrise time all year. I hate changing the clocks and like getting up after sunrise, but nothing is more dispiriting than going home from work in the dark, and there would be less of that with permanent DST.

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  • [–] 111 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t want to see another article about this until it’s finally fucking done.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    How will all the people who make a living writing articles about this find work? Especially now that all of the "My 2 cents: The debate and history of the penny" article writers are also jobless.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    The year is 2026, and the US government bickers over what time it is and minimum wage is less than eight dollars an hour and corporations are people and JUST END IT

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Come on man, this is like the one sane thing they're doing right now. Do you really need to talk shit about it? Advancing a bill doesn't mean they are arguing. This is them doing something for once that isn't insane and bad for everyone.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Fetterman or some other idiot from a backwater will kill it.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I don't care if it's permanent or gone, just fucking pick one and stick with it.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    Retail likes extra daylight when people get off work, so they can buy stuff.

    To clarify: the retail association of America is the big lobby here.

    I, like most humans, just don't care for the change.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, to be fair, I'd also like extra daylight when I'm done with work to just enjoy life more. But I'm sure this isn't what Republicans are concerned with given all of the other policies inflicted upon the populace.

    Also, a 4 AM sunrise seems way too early for me.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Democratic California did this before Trump. Trump wants something California did. He wants it bad.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Again... I feel like we get one of these every single year. I believe it died in the Senate without being picked up last year... :(

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Oh hey, it's that one thing I agree with Trump on.

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  • [+] 15 points 5 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Agreed but they wouldn't be stupid if inflation wasn't so fucking high!

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago* (12 children)

    Every health and safety expert who isn’t the Chamber of Commerce hoping for longer shopping hours agrees that permenant Standard Time would be superior and that permenant DST would be, in fact, deadly.

    Also we did permenant DST and hated it. We just hated it so much we abolished it immediately and promptly forgot we ever tried it.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Big agree with this. Permanently DST sucks, and we have historical basis for that claim. Anyone above a certain latitude is going to loathe this change any anyone southern enough to not feel as much of the earths tilt wont notice much of a difference. Depending how far east you are in your timezone will change how it effects you too.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Being on the far east end of a time zone sucks in the winter. I suspect longitude is a bigger factor than latitude.

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  • When I look at how far east the Maritimes of Canada go I'm not surprised they use a half hour timezone, if anything I'm just surprised they didn't just adopt the full hour earlier. If you go just about straight north from St. John's you'll end up in a part of Greenland that does use the full hour earlier.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Permanent DST is equivalent to permanent standard time with business hours moved an hour earlier. I assume that standard business hours were originally set by businesses to maximize profits—so if permanent earlier hours are better for business than permanent standard hours, why didn’t businesses set earlier hours to begin with?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm still hugely in favor of a permanent dlst. It fucking sucks to be dark as hell before you even get home from a normal work day. If you're going to cage the public till 5pm, at least give the opportunity at a brief bit of light.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It fucking sucks to be dark as hell before you even get home from a normal work day.

    The solution for that is adjusting working hours, not the clocks.

    Noon should always be the hour nearest the sun's peak.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Something similar originally passed the Senate in 2022, and has done nothing since then cuz the House could never agree on it. From the article it sounds like this is a different bill originating from the House that would still need to actually pass the Senate

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    So this is why he doesn't have time to attend his son's wedding

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I fell like the Republicans have been doing this since 2002, and somehow can't get it passed even when they own 100% of the federal government.

    It's as if they want to be able to get elected on useless causes and never implement them because they want to get elected on useless causes (repeat, no exit case).

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If this goes through, we're still on daylight time in the winter, right? Not standard time in the summer? Seasonal-affective is about a son of a bitch.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    As someone who emigrated from the US to a more reasonable country, I really hate having to remember the time of year to calculate the time difference when I need to contact people in the US.

    Even though permanent DST makes more sense, I'd take either.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I absolutely agree that permanant DST is preferred, and am shocked that that's the proposal here, as usually the idea is to make standard time permanant. I work in an office, so I don't care how dark or light it is when I get up in the morning, but I'd kill for more time after work. I've, of course, tried to get my office to allow me to shift my schedule but that doesn't fly of course.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Even though permanent DST makes more sense, I’d take either.

    I wouldn't. Sun comes up at 4:30 in the summer in Japan and you can see first light at 3. They really need to move ahead an hour, and if the US did permanent standard time instead of DST it'd be the same. Time zones in the US are already pretty big though. In the western areas of some time zones the summer sunset is at 9 PM (which I don't mind, but most people probably wouldn't want that so much).

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago* (12 children)

    The real answer is, the world should just run on UTC. No timezones. No confusion. When it says 12:00 UTC, it's the same time everywhere on the planet, regardless of the sun being up or not.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)
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    Actually a decent part of the world uses 24h scheme, and it works fine.

    While you're at it, adopt a logic date format.
    dd/mm/yyyy makes sense.
    yyyy-mm-dd makes sense.
    mm/dd/yyyy is an abomination

    Digest that, and when you're ready, we'll talk about your backward units system...

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I think it would take a bit of getting used to, but I would not be opposed to this.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I think it would take a bit of getting used to

    As opposed to taking a bit of getting used to twice per year at the beginning and end of DST?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I think it would be a bigger adjustment than that, yes. And, I imagine there would be on-going adjustments as some places/persons adjust their posted hours, either due to seasons changing the length of daylight or other reasons.

    But, I do think it could be an improvement with planning to change and hour back or forth twice a year.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They kind of do that in China. All parts of China officially use Beijing time, even though the easternmost part is an hour ahead and the westernmost part three hours behind. In Xinjiang, they mostly just ignore it and use local time.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Aw dammit, he's going to do ONE thing I would appreciate.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Hey I've seen this one before!

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    It's a good idea so I'm sure the republicans that are introducing will then vote against it once it's in danger of actually passing

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I like the time change. There, I said it.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    After years and years of this debate, I’m starting to feel like the time change is just the best compromise. Because we’re never going to satisfy the people that for some reason don’t understand that we can just start things at a different time.

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    [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Kinda funny as the people I know most against it are parents with kids.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    In BC, Canada, it became permanent this year. Originally, the entire west coast of North America was supposed to switch at the same time. All the US states backed out.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    I don't think the US states backed out, they're just stuck waiting for the legal right to switch. BC got tired of waiting for them and decided to switch on its own, as being deeply coupled with those states is now less desirable.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    Good, please do this. It's so fucking unnecessary to change the clock, and it's a nonpartisan issue. I bet someone could do a deep analysis of how much it costs us each year during that hour time change, people showing up late, missing appointments, traffic patterns, etc.

    🕒 The Real Cost of "Springing Forward"

    Changing the clocks isn't just annoying—it is a massive, self-inflicted tax on our health, safety, and economy. Here is what that one hour of lost sleep actually costs us every year:

    • 💸 The Direct Economic Hit: Economic analysis pegs the immediate cost of the spring transition at over 672 million dollars in lost productivity, wages, and medical costs.
    • 📉 The Productivity Crash: Workplace productivity drops by roughly 20% on the Monday following the time change.
    • 🚗 Danger on the Roads: Fatal car accidents spike by 6% during the first workweek of Daylight Saving Time, as millions of sleep-deprived commuters are suddenly forced back into driving in pitch-black morning conditions.
    • 🏥 Severe Health Spikes: Heart attacks increase by 24% on the Monday after the shift. Workplace injuries jump by 5.7%, and because workers are fatigued, those injuries tend to be far more severe—resulting in 67.6% more days lost from work.
    • 💡 The "Energy Saving" Myth: The original excuse for DST was to save energy, but modern studies show the actual global savings are a microscopic 0.3%. In fact, many regions see energy bills go up because of increased morning heating and extended evening air conditioning.

    The Bottom Line: We are tanking our health, risking lives on the road, and bleeding hundreds of millions of dollars every single year—all to chase a century-old lighting rule that doesn't even save energy anymore.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Am i right in thinking that your intro and 'bottom line' are handwritten, but the middle section (emoji-laden and sprinkled with overconfident sourceless statistics) is AI generated?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    You're not just right [idk how to type an emdash on mobile] you're dead on. Their comment was absolutely written by AI and [emdash] by the way [emdash] you're just really smart. Additionally, I'd argue that including the AI generated portion of their comment doesn't only make no sense [emdash] it's an absolutely bizarre decision.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Your BS AI generated rundown didn't even mention the cost to software development. Dealing with DST is a thorn in my side, it's definitely cost the company I work for tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars just in the few years I've been there.

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