Twice a year the entire country collectively agrees the clock change is annoying, unhealthy, and pointless, and then somehow we still keep doing it.
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I don’t want to see another article about this until it’s finally fucking done.
The year is 2026, and the US government bickers over what time it is and minimum wage is less than eight dollars an hour and corporations are people and JUST END IT
Come on man, this is like the one sane thing they're doing right now. Do you really need to talk shit about it? Advancing a bill doesn't mean they are arguing. This is them doing something for once that isn't insane and bad for everyone.
I mean just because minimum wage is too low doesn't mean we shouldn't change to permanent daylight savings.
I don't care if it's permanent or gone, just fucking pick one and stick with it.
Retail likes extra daylight when people get off work, so they can buy stuff.
To clarify: the retail association of America is the big lobby here.
I, like most humans, just don't care for the change.
Most people like extra daylight when they get off work for completely valid non-commercial reasons, too.
I mean, to be fair, I'd also like extra daylight when I'm done with work to just enjoy life more. But I'm sure this isn't what Republicans are concerned with given all of the other policies inflicted upon the populace.
Also, a 4 AM sunrise seems way too early for me.
Democratic California did this before Trump. Trump wants something California did. He wants it bad.
Again... I feel like we get one of these every single year. I believe it died in the Senate without being picked up last year... :(
Oh hey, it's that one thing I agree with Trump on.
Agreed but they wouldn't be stupid if inflation wasn't so fucking high!
Pennies have been dumb for a while. The half cent was worth way more than today's pennies when we stopped making it
They've been stupid for a long time, actually. It's been ages since it started costing more than a penny per coin to mint them..
I'm Canadian. We ditched the penny years ago.
No one notices anymore.
Every health and safety expert who isn’t the Chamber of Commerce hoping for longer shopping hours agrees that permenant Standard Time would be superior and that permenant DST would be, in fact, deadly.
Also we did permenant DST and hated it. We just hated it so much we abolished it immediately and promptly forgot we ever tried it.
Big agree with this. Permanently DST sucks, and we have historical basis for that claim. Anyone above a certain latitude is going to loathe this change any anyone southern enough to not feel as much of the earths tilt wont notice much of a difference. Depending how far east you are in your timezone will change how it effects you too.
Being on the far east end of a time zone sucks in the winter. I suspect longitude is a bigger factor than latitude.
When I look at how far east the Maritimes of Canada go I'm not surprised they use a half hour timezone, if anything I'm just surprised they didn't just adopt the full hour earlier. If you go just about straight north from St. John's you'll end up in a part of Greenland that does use the full hour earlier.
but people who are in the far east are much more likely to be affluent or have (local) state-sponsored means to help them see in the morning. plus we have mobile flashlights now
How is this possible? No matter what number you call it the day stays the same. This is so stupid.
Permanent DST is equivalent to permanent standard time with business hours moved an hour earlier. I assume that standard business hours were originally set by businesses to maximize profits—so if permanent earlier hours are better for business than permanent standard hours, why didn’t businesses set earlier hours to begin with?
The optimum may shift over time.
I'm still hugely in favor of a permanent dlst. It fucking sucks to be dark as hell before you even get home from a normal work day. If you're going to cage the public till 5pm, at least give the opportunity at a brief bit of light.
It fucking sucks to be dark as hell before you even get home from a normal work day.
The solution for that is adjusting working hours, not the clocks.
Noon should always be the hour nearest the sun's peak.
People didn't hate it, they were given propaganda and then they hated it. Because people are morons.
Something similar originally passed the Senate in 2022, and has done nothing since then cuz the House could never agree on it. From the article it sounds like this is a different bill originating from the House that would still need to actually pass the Senate
I fell like the Republicans have been doing this since 2002, and somehow can't get it passed even when they own 100% of the federal government.
It's as if they want to be able to get elected on useless causes and never implement them because they want to get elected on useless causes (repeat, no exit case).
If this goes through, we're still on daylight time in the winter, right? Not standard time in the summer? Seasonal-affective is about a son of a bitch.
Forcing you body to wake up in the dark so you have an extra bit of light on your commute home is galaxy brain stupid. The suns still gonna rob you of your early evenings in the winter.
As someone who emigrated from the US to a more reasonable country, I really hate having to remember the time of year to calculate the time difference when I need to contact people in the US.
Even though permanent DST makes more sense, I'd take either.
I absolutely agree that permanant DST is preferred, and am shocked that that's the proposal here, as usually the idea is to make standard time permanant. I work in an office, so I don't care how dark or light it is when I get up in the morning, but I'd kill for more time after work. I've, of course, tried to get my office to allow me to shift my schedule but that doesn't fly of course.
Even though permanent DST makes more sense, I’d take either.
I wouldn't. Sun comes up at 4:30 in the summer in Japan and you can see first light at 3. They really need to move ahead an hour, and if the US did permanent standard time instead of DST it'd be the same. Time zones in the US are already pretty big though. In the western areas of some time zones the summer sunset is at 9 PM (which I don't mind, but most people probably wouldn't want that so much).
The real answer is, the world should just run on UTC. No timezones. No confusion. When it says 12:00 UTC, it's the same time everywhere on the planet, regardless of the sun being up or not.
This is only a good idea when you don't think about it.
End the AM/PM stuff too!
Actually a decent part of the world uses 24h scheme, and it works fine.
While you're at it, adopt a logic date format.
dd/mm/yyyy makes sense.
yyyy-mm-dd makes sense.
mm/dd/yyyy is an abomination
Digest that, and when you're ready, we'll talk about your backward units system...
I think it would take a bit of getting used to, but I would not be opposed to this.
I think it would take a bit of getting used to
As opposed to taking a bit of getting used to twice per year at the beginning and end of DST?
I think it would be a bigger adjustment than that, yes. And, I imagine there would be on-going adjustments as some places/persons adjust their posted hours, either due to seasons changing the length of daylight or other reasons.
But, I do think it could be an improvement with planning to change and hour back or forth twice a year.
This is the dumbest fucking idea I've seen yet. Far, far worse than daylight savings time.
They kind of do that in China. All parts of China officially use Beijing time, even though the easternmost part is an hour ahead and the westernmost part three hours behind. In Xinjiang, they mostly just ignore it and use local time.
Except when students have national scale exams. In Xinjiang, they start near the end of the night...
Not changing time is good when one travels a lot. If one does not travel much, one single time is hardly useful. However, there are merits to the idea.
Aw dammit, he's going to do ONE thing I would appreciate.
I also appreciate getting rid of the penny
It's a good idea so I'm sure the republicans that are introducing will then vote against it once it's in danger of actually passing
I like the time change. There, I said it.
After years and years of this debate, I’m starting to feel like the time change is just the best compromise. Because we’re never going to satisfy the people that for some reason don’t understand that we can just start things at a different time.
...In the US"
In BC, Canada, it became permanent this year. Originally, the entire west coast of North America was supposed to switch at the same time. All the US states backed out.
I don't think the US states backed out, they're just stuck waiting for the legal right to switch. BC got tired of waiting for them and decided to switch on its own, as being deeply coupled with those states is now less desirable.
Yet in the rest of the world, no such good news (for the most part)
Good, please do this. It's so fucking unnecessary to change the clock, and it's a nonpartisan issue. I bet someone could do a deep analysis of how much it costs us each year during that hour time change, people showing up late, missing appointments, traffic patterns, etc.
🕒 The Real Cost of "Springing Forward"
Changing the clocks isn't just annoying—it is a massive, self-inflicted tax on our health, safety, and economy. Here is what that one hour of lost sleep actually costs us every year:
- 💸 The Direct Economic Hit: Economic analysis pegs the immediate cost of the spring transition at over 672 million dollars in lost productivity, wages, and medical costs.
- 📉 The Productivity Crash: Workplace productivity drops by roughly 20% on the Monday following the time change.
- 🚗 Danger on the Roads: Fatal car accidents spike by 6% during the first workweek of Daylight Saving Time, as millions of sleep-deprived commuters are suddenly forced back into driving in pitch-black morning conditions.
- 🏥 Severe Health Spikes: Heart attacks increase by 24% on the Monday after the shift. Workplace injuries jump by 5.7%, and because workers are fatigued, those injuries tend to be far more severe—resulting in 67.6% more days lost from work.
- 💡 The "Energy Saving" Myth: The original excuse for DST was to save energy, but modern studies show the actual global savings are a microscopic 0.3%. In fact, many regions see energy bills go up because of increased morning heating and extended evening air conditioning.
The Bottom Line: We are tanking our health, risking lives on the road, and bleeding hundreds of millions of dollars every single year—all to chase a century-old lighting rule that doesn't even save energy anymore.
Am i right in thinking that your intro and 'bottom line' are handwritten, but the middle section (emoji-laden and sprinkled with overconfident sourceless statistics) is AI generated?
Exactly my thought when I read that. Absolutely reads like AI in the middle.
You're not just right [idk how to type an emdash on mobile] you're dead on. Their comment was absolutely written by AI and [emdash] by the way [emdash] you're just really smart. Additionally, I'd argue that including the AI generated portion of their comment doesn't only make no sense [emdash] it's an absolutely bizarre decision.
Your BS AI generated rundown didn't even mention the cost to software development. Dealing with DST is a thorn in my side, it's definitely cost the company I work for tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars just in the few years I've been there.
The heart attack thing is probably untrue, but it doesn't need to be true to justify ending three DST nonsense.
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