I want to replace my old GameSir G3s with a controller preferably under €70-75. Initially I wanted an european gamepad but the only 2 options (ready2gaming and snakebyte) was so non existent or questionable that I had to swallow my EU nationalism.

Gaming style:

  • Only use controllers where it's highly recommended
  • Preferred genre for controllers would be arcade racing and JRPGs mostly
  • Will only play on wireless (2.4ghz)

Preferences:

  • Either TMR or high quality HE sticks
  • Doesn't look boring (preferably it has some amounts of LED / RGB)
  • Xbox stick position layout (I want to try it out)
  • Linux compatibility (don't care about consΓΆles)
  • Doesn't have a shit QC (8bitdo's are apparently like that)
  • I have larger hands, so maybe not a small controller

Currently these are some controllers that seems to be in my range. I'm interested if you know about even better controllers.

  • GameSir Cyclone 2
  • GameSir Supernova
  • FlyDigi Direwolf 4?

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[–] 80 points 5 months ago* (21 children)

Doesn’t have a shit QC (8bitdo’s are apparently like that)

Can't confirm. I own 3 controllers, a keyboard, a numpad and a mouse by 8bitdo. None of them have any hardware issues. Only issue is that the software is meh and Windows/Mac-only. But it's a plug-and-play controller, so you really don't need the software unless you want to do stuff like define macros (which you can just use Steam input for).

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    Yeah, 8bitdo's also have official SteamOS support too, which is a plus point.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I have two 8bitdo controllers and they're both great. I'm not sure what makes you think they are shit. I've only ever heard good things and that's been my experience. I intend to get a third one to replace my dying ps3 controllers.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Well you may be right, I've just read comparably more complaints on faulty 8bitdo Ultimate 2 controllers compared to the Cyclone 2 (these 2 controllers are frequently being compared to eachother) and whilst I don't trust too much in TrustPilot but the ratings of these 2 brands are far away (2.2 and 4.0 basically) which was sus. So it seemed to me that their QC isn't as strict as GameSir's is.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I have two 8bitdo ultimate 2c controllers (the cheaper Xbox style controllers) and they've been great. The only thing they're missing is RGB, other than that they tick every box. I use them for my steam deck and on my bazzite PC and they work flawlessly, have held up very well in the ~8 months of regular use they've seen. My one (minor) gripe is battery life. A charge lasts several days, but my Xbox one controllers lasted about a week, sometimes more when I was using them. They're USB-C, charge pretty quick, and you can use them while they're charging so it's not a big deal but still worth mentioning

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Ultimate 2 actually fits all of the boxes if I'm lucky with QC because it has some tasteful RGBs in there and it looks beautiful honestly. Battery life isn't a problem if you use the dock tho. Did you buy it without the dock?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    The 2C doesn't have the connection points for a dock, that's part of the features they cut back on for the budget option. It also doesn't have the RGB or the buttons on the underside of the controller. I'm happy with my choice but I've also been tempted for the higher end version for all of that stuff too

    On the QC thing, the 8bitdo controllers are less "refined" than a dual shock or an Xbox controller. The abxy buttons have a little play side to side in them and minor stuff like that. They're slightly lower build quality than the big name controllers, but not in any way that will affect gameplay or responsiveness. The joysticks have tuneable dead zones, you can test the pressure sensitivity in the triggers, and fully configure the layout to suit your needs. They connect without a hitch and the 2.4g is very low latency. I watched a few vidoes comparing controllers when I was looking and the QC thing came up too. I was a bit apprehensive but pulled the trigger and, with the experience I've had (on cheaper controllers no less) I feel that a lot of professional reviews place an undue emphasis on their QC. They may have been lower quality in the past, but I genuinely haven't had an issue with them and they've held up great so far

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Be warned it only seems to work in Bluetooth mode for some reason, via the dongle I don't get the back paddles to show up. That being said I want to echo the fact that I also have an 8BitDo and has had great quality. Also they work out of the box in Linux, so no worries there.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Update the firmware on a windows VM and then turn it on while holding b to go I to dimput, if you want it to go back to x input turn it of and then on while holding a.

    On dimput you can use the extra shoulders, the paddles, the gyro and the accelerometer

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Have they released another update? I've already updated it when they announced the steam compatibility. I was able to get it to dinput and work once, but it reverted and wasn't able to get it to work with he dongle and recognize the back paddles again.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    When you turn it on by the menu button (8bitdo logo button) hold either a or b for xinput or dimput mode, on ximput it only has the same buttons as an Xbox controller, but on dinput you get the extra buttons the gyro and the accelerometer

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    That sounds wonderful! Does the software work too? Interesting, apparently 2.4ghz should also work according to Gamepedia https://gamepadla.com/8bitdo-ultimate-2-wireless-controller.html

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I meant the remapping of the back paddles only seems to work in Bluetooth for me, the controller itself works on both modes, but that is not surprising to me as most controllers just work out of the box on Linux.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Is that all of them or just some? Got a couple of the wireless 2C currently and probably going to get a few more at some point. Not sure how others compare.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I have a SN30 Pro and i havent used it much since probably '18 or '19 but the rubberized sticks completly dissolved already. I have 30 year old PS1 controllers in the basement where the rubber held up better. You can buy replacements for a few bucks though! Not too happy about it but its okay i guess all things considered.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I have one of the not new Ultimate controllers, and it has rear buttons. Sadly, it looks like the only way to use them really is to do some weird macro stuff in their software. Currently Steam doesn't let you rebind them. The solution people have come up with it creating a macro for them to mimic a stick press in, and make the real stick press activate it twice, then you can bind those actions through Steam Input. I've yet to find a way to do this on Linux.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I've owned 3 different 8bitdos, and they have some of the best QC on the market.

    With that, the ultimate 2 is a brilliant wireless 2.4g controller with a dock. Works out of the box, no config required.

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    [–] 20 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Really? My 8bitdo outlived any other controllers I have owned, minus some features lacking

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Not necessarily, I might have been just misinformed or got influenced by the negativity bias. It might actually be good in QC.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Reposting here for visibility:

    I have their Ultimate 2 gamepad and I'll give them this - it's probably one of the most comfortable gamepads I've ever used. It's great.

    That being said:

    1. I actually bought two of them (Xbox and Switch layouts) and thank goodness I did, because one charger just broke, the USB-C cable wobbles inside like the socket itself got damaged. I know for a fact that the device didn't fall down or anything like that.
    2. Every now and again the joysticks freeze and I start spinning uncontrollably, and then just stop working. Sometimes switching from Bluetooth to radio for a while and then back again help. Sometimes I have to turn the device fully off.
    3. More often than (2) the sticks will suddenly develop a lag. I turn the stick to one side, nothing happens. I release the stick. Then the character in the game starts moving for a while. It's, like, 500-1000ms lag easily.

    If you're playing anything remotely competitive or punishing, I would not recommend 8bitDo products. If you're only playing casual games with quick and easy save options, and you're OK having to restart your gamepad every now and again, go for it.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Aren't they Bluetooth rather than 2.4ghz? Not sure why you would want that instead though, isn't Bluetooth a better choice?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    8bitdo does both. Even though bluetooth is also 2.4ghz and combined with the wifi board these days, I find it struggles more with physical objects worsening the signal or being far or in different rooms like when I used to have my office on the opposite side of the wall the tv is mounted to and used one pc for everything.

    Their quality control has gotten worse though. I have an 'ultimate' that had the back paddles crack and fall off, and a pro 3 that had the face buttons shatter right before the end of a perfect attempt at the last berserker fight in god of war ragnarok

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I had a button shatter on my pro 3 too playing hades. Hit up 8 bitdo and they sent me a new set of buttons in the mail quickly.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I'll have to contact them. I forgot not every company is as bullshit as dell. With them even the bot gives you the runaround and makes you wait for it to 'asses the case file' multiple times when literally nothing changed.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yeah I was impressed as it was during Chinese holidays at the start of the year. The guy replied and said it would be a few weeks as there was no one in the office and they came in the mail a short time after that.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    8bitdo, no other better answer

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I just got a 8bitdo ultimate 2c they go for 30 bucks and I swear it is better than my Xbox gamepad, thy come in fun colors have extra triggers amazing hall effect sticks good face buttons. Bluetooth AND dongle. I can't stress this enough it is purple.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I can confirm the ultimate 2C is awesome.

    Did you manage to get extra buttons working? I thought no driver could handle those buttons (tried xpad and xone).

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  • Mhm! With the wire of the 2.4 GHz it uses xinput and you can map stuff that is already on the controller, on Bluetooth mode it connects in dinput mode and the extra buttons become programmable and detected by games as "controller unknown" iwhen I need them I use Bluetooth when not the adapter

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah those purple Ultimate 2 colors are sooooo catchy! I actually bought a Cyclone 2 from the comments, but honestly it just feels like this: Big hands - Cyclone 2 Small / medium hands - 8bitdo

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Ah I failed to recognize the bigger hand requirement as a haver if baby hands I am super happy with ultimate 2c but if ur not the same seems like you made the right choice

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    The 8BitDo Ultimate Wireless 2 has been perfect for me and fits all your criteria.
    I know they had QC issues with their dpads on their earlier controllers but it seems they've long fixed that as I don't see people reporting it anymore on their subreddit.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I know they had QC issues with their dpads on their earlier controllers

    Anecdotal: I just had a trigger on an 8BitDo Ultimate Bluetooth fail. I don't think I've ever seen a button or trigger fail on any other gamepad I've ever owned, so that was a bit disappointing.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Letsgooo! One last question. Do you have big hands and does it fit good on you? Ultimate 2 seems less wide than other GameSir controllers.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    My hands aren't that big (I used to play the 3DS and never felt cramped), so I can't really speak to that.
    If it helps I've played both on DualShock 4 and Xbox 360 controllers and migrating to the 8BitDo felt super natural.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    I have a ton of 8bitdo stuff and have never had any issues. They're my favorite controllers.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    I really like the ps5 dualsense controller and had no issues whatsoever in Linux. Works really well. I'd even say better than in windows.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Do you feel better response times on Linux compared to WIndows?

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I don't feel any particular lag, neither in windows nor linux, when using Bluetooth (compared to usb): to me they feel almost the same. But it should be noted that I almost never play games where you would notice more.

    In my experience, though, Bluetooth generally works better in linux than windows, esp. pairing and connecting.

    Anyways, steam does an excellent job in making the controller work in games, also those that don't officially support.

    In the past, I have owned: an xbox controller (and I hated it) , other cheap controllers (and they broke). The ps5 for me works very well, it appears to be good quality, the battery lasts long and is rechargeable via usb c.

    It's pricey but it's good.

    But I don't know how it compares with the steam controller.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    The PS5 controller battery is my primary complaint about it.

    It lasts like 6-8 hours where my ancient xbox elite controller still goes for 40ish hours of gaming between recharges.

    Obviously both last more than usually necessary but forgetting to charge the PS5 controller is way more annoying.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It lasts like 6-8 hours

    mine does definitely more than 8 hours...maybe yours is defective?

    forgetting to charge the PS5 controller is way more annoying.

    In that regard the experience on Linux is better than on Windows: on Linux I can see the level of charge directly in the Bluetooth menu, and then I can plug it in after I finish using it

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I have four of them, purchased at different times and they’re all the same.

    You can look it up. 6-12 hours is the most commonly stated battery life depending on feature use.

    And I’m on Linux when I use it with my pc.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    My PS5 controller works perfectly on mint DE.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    I use a Dualsense controller and it's great. It feels as responsive on my desktop as it does on a real PS5.

    Though I mostly use it to play old PokΓ©mon games through emulators and occasionally Bloodstained

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah 8bitdo is good in my experience, you can return it anyway if it's sussy on arrival. Works with everything, steam input or not

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the return idea! Do you perhaps use the Ultimate 2? If yes then how does it fit for your hands if yours are big?

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I own a couple of 8bitdo Ultimate 2, they're excellent and seem to tick all the boxes, but they're on the smaller end I guess.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Do you feel that it's a bit too small for you?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    No, it's perfect for me, but I don't have particularly big hands. For a point of comparison, it's every so slightly tinier than my Xbox Series controller, and holds better than it. I always found that one tends to slowly slip forward out of my grip (=towards my belly) because of its tapered shape.
    In contrast the Ultimate reminds me a little of the Gamecube controller, because it's slightly more concave below, where the ring fingers come to rest, and that helps stabilize it.

    My single gripe with it is the dpad, which coming from the Xbox Series feels like a bit of a downgrade : not clicky, a tad mushy. I've known worse, but it's not the best. Fortunately that's not a dealbreaker for me as I don't use it often

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    Strong recommendation for Cyclone 2. I've been so happy with my first one that I'm about to order a second one.

    Excellent ergonomics. The RGB you asked for. Works perfectly with my CachyOS and Bazzite setups out of the box. Premium metal charging stand included. Excellent clicky switches including changing triggers to micro switches. Hall effect triggers. TMR sticks. 2 back buttons.

    This is available brand new on eBay for Β£30 in UK. You won't be disappointed.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Okay that excellent ergonomics sounded reassuring because I've heard that it had weirder ergonomics, so maybe that's just such a small nitpick from those ytbers. What games do you use it for?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    I've got big hands too and I find it very comfortable. Depends on whether you like offset sticks.

    I'm playing a lot of Dead Cells these days. But the controller has been good for any game ive played (Expedition 33, Thronefall, Hotshots Golf, Mario Odyssey, Super Meat Boy, Enter the Gungeon, etc). The D-pad is also great for precision platformers like Super Meat Boy.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    It's so great hearing you love the D-Pad because most of the reviewers and redditors said that the D-Pad feels meh. I mean I don't care about the D-Pad mostly, but yk.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Every aspect of the controller might not be "best in the world". I don't play fighting games or anything with the D-pad. Overall the value you get here is unbeatable. Β£30 on eBay is just mind blowing to me. You can even get a connector on Ali Express to hold your phone if you use it for phone games.

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    Frustrating difficult games are my jam. They don't bother me at all. I'm into roguelites. It's a great life lesson in being Zen and accepting what is.....when you play an hour long run of Dead Cells with excellent legendary items, only to die a dumb death to curse just before the final boss Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I'd say ymmv. I struggle reaching L1 while using the analog stick. Depending on a game, I'd often switch L1 and L2 around. It works, but it's mildly annoying.

    I also seem to have an issue with the face buttons double clicking sometimes. This doesn't matter 99% of a time, but some games (Persona) don't like it. It's a shame, because otherwise it's a fantastic controller.

    Before this I had a 360 and 2 gulikit controllers and none of those had this issue. I actually really love the feel of the newer gulikit, unfortunately the wireless performance is atrocious.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Hmm do you have bigger hands or smaller? Maybe the Cyclone 2 is actually preferable for taller hands.

    WHich Gulikit do you use? The Gulikit TT Pro / Max honestly seems amazing seeing by just some reviews and specs. Even the latency is excellent on both wireless modes. https://gamepadla.com/gulikit-tt-pro.html

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I'd say on the larger side of medium. The way I hold it I use my index finger for both L1/2 and the curve on the back (of the controller) makes it that I need to shift my grip when I wanna switch between them. I can hit the corner of L1 with the last knuckle, but it feels kinda off to do that.

    I have the old NS09 (KK Pro) and NS39 (KK3 Max). The dongle latency is on par with bluetooth, which is not great. https://gamepadla.com/gulikit-kk3-max-kingkong-3-ns39.html

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    8BitDo work well with my Steam Deck

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I have 4 8bitdo Ultimate 2C gamepads. 2 Nintendo layout and 2 Xbox layout. They feel better than the Series X standard gamepad I had before. My oldest is 2 years old. Durable for me but I don't smash the buttons and sticks anywhere near as hard as possible like I've seen other people do when gaming. Like video game road ragers

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'd save up +30€ and wait for the steam controller to be available

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Throwing a fun one in comments:

    Stadia Controller.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    if you want an alternative to the List, I have had really good experience with the Anbernic RG pro. I had a little bit of a problem getting started with it, but after you update the firmware for the controller it’s been working perfectly for me and is a outstanding controller for the price.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    I seem to have minor compatibility issues with most controllers on my EndeavourOS PC, but it seems to vary more with the games than with the different controller brands themselves. Seconding 8BitDo being pretty tough though.

    Now the real question is, has anyone designed an open source controller (not fightstick/hitbox), that is purchasable? Like Ploopy or Tindie or something?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I have the GameSir Cyclone 2 and love it.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I have larger hands and have the Cyclone 2. Fantastic controller and my daily driver. I didn't like the clicky face buttons but they've grown on me. Happy to answer any questions. No real issues across Linux or Windows.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    YES I HAVE! You guys convinced me to become a Cyclone 2 enjoyer.

    • Have you ever had controller support issues in any games?
    • Does the GameSir software work on Linux?
    • If you've got the white version, then how easy does it get dirty in your case?
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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I haven't had any issues with controller support in any games, just the same as using an Xbox controller.

    There is no native Linux software, so I use Winboat to run the software. You could also run it in a VM.

    I only have the black controller, so I can't comment on the white one

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Just an xbox controller?

    It just works

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    My wireless xbox^TM controller works flawlessessy on bazzite/steam for Hollow Knight and Lego LOTR for whatever that's worth to you.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I have been using stadia controllers for a while now. They're not special and don't look special. They do come with a very good battery life and you can find them for 10 bucks a pop

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