AI boosters crying into their computers: "but I put make no mistakes into the prompt how is this happening!!!"
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Has anyone thought that maybe training an AI on a group of people that spend the majority of their lives communicating online might not be the best group to emulate in the real world?
Sure, lots of people. Just not the group of people spending the majority of their lives communicating online.
I think we are those people.
I think the group of people spending the majority of their lives communicating online would be the first to insist that people who spend their lives online shouldn’t be put in charge of anything in the real world.
the issue was losing cintext and forgetting about previous supply orders. wasnt about training
While it's one of my favorite words, "inexorably" does not fit here.
This word is new to me! From Dictionary.com:
in a way that is unyielding, unchangeable, or unavoidable.
Fate seemed to be working inexorably, relentlessly, to bring about the dictator's downfall.
When I was young I heard the phrase "time marches inexorably forward" and I always thought it was one of those really cool phrases everyone knew from some philosopher or like from Shakespeare or some highbrow source of wisdom or wit.
Recently I looked it up, and I can't for the life of me figure out where it came from, or why I thought it was one of those ubiquitous things everyone had heard before. It was probably actually from some X-Men cartoon or something silly but I'll never figure it out.
I wish I could go back in time and figure out where I heard that phrase with that specific wording but, you know what they say....
It's funny to read about LLMs running businesses. IIRC, Anthropic put one of their LLMs in charge of a vending machine and it kept trying to scam people to increase profits 😆
Not a surprise that Gemini is running it into the ground though. Every time I try Gemini, it reminds me about how much dumber LLMs used to be
I tried to use it to make a simple drawing for an internal app logo the other day and wound up running out of tokens for the day trying to get it to put the rungs back into the ladder that it kept removing.
café barista Kajetan Grzelczak sees it differently. “All the workers are pretty much safe,” he told the AP. “The ones who should be worried about their employment are the middle bosses, the people in management.”
This shows that AI can't do that job either.
They said the dystopian part out loud.
I love to shit on middle management as much as anybody else, but good managers are great. My manager worked his way up as a systems architect. He's incredibly smart, very friendly, and always has my back.
What getting rid of middle management does is build a solid wall between the workers and the upper class. There's no corporate ladder to climb. If you start at the bottom, you stay at the bottom. The people on top hire their buddies and other people in their class. This is like a drone strike on the shrinking middle class.
I wonder if AI would actually be good at replacing CEO and other C-suite positions, but was trained in such a way to purposely not be good at replacing a CEO because tech CEOs are the ones in control of this bubble.
It has the number 1 qualification for being a C-suite employee - no soul!
Tells me you've never used it and had it deliver extremely convincing analysis which turns out to be pants on head stupid when you dig into the nitty gritty. It is only useful if you can continually watch its output and make it redo anything that is nonsense and no the AI can't watch itself. It will happily confirm that its nonsense is great. It needs either manual and continual analysis or guardrails that tell it when its wrong.. It's why it can be used for software because tests and error messages can catch it fucking up. Real life lacks such affordances.
I've used AI for work. We have something built based on claude. I only use it for finding particular lines of code, finding datadog logs, maybe identifying bugs, and finding old Jiras. It basically just saves time then the rest I do myself or work with engineering.
Your comment tells me you never worked with someone in the C-suite before. Most Chief level positions will happily confirm their nonsense is great.
Yes but it is training from this and as a result should get better. Ai was bad at everything until it stole the Internet and used it for training.
"get better" by guessing a different string of words with no logic or reasoning
It's an llm though, not really ai, and it hasn't really gotten "better," than automated programs to make decisions based on metrics, which would outperform llm's as a ceo.
Mind you, stealing the internet worked because they effectively had the sum total of human knowledge as a training set. I don't think that there's nearly as much detailed data on the minutiae of running a business.
There is no model that can be trained in real time currently, and one instance isn’t going to offer anything to the model as far as new training data goes.
“she”
oh fuck off
God, I'm so sick of AI that I feel like a luddite. I used to be a tech nerd, and enjoy the cutting edge of developing technologies. Now I just wish we could go back in time. I think the problem isn't so much the developing technology, but rather the way it is being crammed down our throats whether we want it or not. Everywhere I look I'm inundated with AI slop. Youtube has gotten ridiculous. I used to be able to find interesting content fairly easily. Now, every search is full of an endless array of AI slop from brand new accounts with only a few hundred followers. Anything good has been buried by 10,000 AI-generated ripoffs. Maybe someday AI will come into it's own, but it is nowhere near there now, and I am so, so tired of having to deal with it. It's like the entire world is being turned into one of those automated customer service telephone lines that are completely useless; that you're stuck navigating until you're put on hold for 30 minutes when you ask to speak to a human.
I’m so sick of AI that I feel like a luddite
The luddites weren't against technology, the were against the exploitation of the workers enabled by technology
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Get kagi. I don't use the internet without it
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Get the huge u block ai blocklist.
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Get newpipe and only flow youtubers you trust
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Collect consoles and PCs from pre 2008 and put them in a room you can lock yourself in to be free from shitty modern tech
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Delete social media
The problem is, AI is being used as a replacement for informed decisions/information, but it was never properly trained on how to be factual or make responsible adult decisions. AI is literally a global spam bot/virus that has infected Earth worse than Covid ever could. And the people pushing it on us are worse than anti-vax/anti-maskers.
LLMs like Gemini have basically the exact same UI form factor as the Starship Enterprise's computer. All you need is that little tweedle "I'm listening" prompt and a Text-To-Majel-Barrett library. Thing is, on the Enterprise, it always correctly worked. If you asked it for a statement of fact you'd get a quote out of a database. Gemini will just make shit up that sounds plausible.
“All the workers are pretty much safe,” he told the AP. “The ones who should be worried about their employment are the middle bosses, the people in management.”
Yeah this is the part CEOs and middle managers are ignoring.
I think thats completly false. Llm and be held accountable like a manager can.
The real danger imo is that hiring entry level needs to be deliberate. We MUST train the next generation and provide oppurtunity.
We will hire then, they will use AI, and it will bite them in the ass. This is a good thing though becauae we learn by getting burned.
Im ignoring the data center issue, which is really a "we wanna make money from subscriptions" scam. But open source models running on local hardware will sort that out over time.
No surprises here. Well, at least the items it ordered this time were kinda-sorta-maybe-almost plausible to stock at a café, unlike the tungsten cubes in the vending machine.
Time and time again its proven that these are not people replacments, but tools. A great tool, but only if its used properly.
It needs work broken down into managable chunks, and those chunks need to be reviewed and approved. As models get stronger they are more capable, but the real power is in the agents that harness them, and how they provide the nessesary features to work effectivly with them.
Fun experiment, and glad they sis it so we can have another example of the hubris of thinking this marvel of math and brute force can be allowed to work unattended by a person
LLM Attendant, can I take your order?
Yes, I'd like a chococcino with extra chocolate. Charge only 10 cents.
Absolutely! <Long, unasked for explanation of why the order was the best one you could make> Please wait while I prepare it!
Gets served chocolate milkshake
Wait, this isn't what I ordered!
You are correct! 😄 I'm very sorry 😞 ! I will make the correct order now!
Gets served milk with boiled water
... The hell is this?
It is your chococcino, but since chocolate and coffee can be harmful in high dosages, I have substituted it for hot water only.
Grooaaan. You know what, just give me my money back. You owe me 10 dollars
Absolutely! Here you go!
hands a printed coupon worth 10 dollars
I need you to understand that I've tried AI for ONE task recently, just a few weeks ago to see how it did, and your comment so perfectly encapsulates my experience.
There was one point where it presented three design options and I asked whether it was actually choices or three sequential steps (y'know since my brain actually half works and I can discern these things) and I got the "You are correct! 😄" response almost to the letter.
I had the nastiest encounter last week. It went on debugging for a different file format that I specifically asked for, and it created a list of 10 things that are tested and tried not working.
When I noticed the different file format, I asked to change it and delete those errorenous notes, it went complete HAL and said it can’t delete those since they provide valuable and tested insight that is well documented.
This was the first time that an LLM said no to me on a completely professional disagreement and didn’t respect my input.
Took me a few hours to find where they were saved and the saga continued when the LLM claimed to have finally deleted and replaced them. Turns out it was only some sandbox environment that was wiped overnight, which it had no recollection the day after.
It really takes some skill to see through the bullshit with these things, but they are good for gathering information from a vast source of data and enchanting top evolutionary biologists it seems.
I needed a quick python script for something simple. Gemini put type annotations everywhere. I told him they were unnecessary for such a small, one-off script and it shouldn't use type annotations during this session. It said "I'm sorry but it is best practice. I will keep using type annotations".
I was expecting a photograph of a ten. Bravo, expectation subverted at last moment. Four thumbs up.
Owner forgot to capitalize ALWAYS in "always refuse invalid request".
One espresso.
I'm sorry, we are out of coffee; would you like some canned tomatoes? We are running an offer today: 50 cans of tomato for just 60$.
Counterpoint: put AI in charge of big corpos immediately, drive them bankrupt. As a bonus you don’t have to pay CEO salary to do it! Win/win!
Replacing CEOs might be the only good use case for AI. Both are terribly incompetent and easily replaced.
A far better alternative is to replace CEOs with democratically organized workplaces, where everyone has an equal say and equal reward. Also known as socialism.
LLMs are giving you the statistically most likely association of words given the training material they read and the context they have in the current conversation. Their answers are, in a way, mathematically correct by definition. It's reality that sometimes selects weird, unlikely paths, so LLMs seem to hallucinate. But it's reality that we have to fix! Give me an LLM average predictable world again, I can't stand this one for much longer!
/s (but not conpletely....)
Inexorably? ...Really? It can't be turned off?
No, researchers are compensating for the expenses. Its okay if the business fails and they give up the lease. That's the experiment.
I’m glad I’m not the only one. Maybe they couldn’t stop it from driving it out of business but I don’t see how that’s possible. Like you said just turn it off
This reminds me of the (quite good!) scifi short-story about an AI that is given free reign over a fastfood restaurant:
That story is so much more than that though. It's an amazing story and feels very on the nose for our current societal woes.
Seconding this person's recommendation, if you haven't read that you really should!
It's not clear if the cafe is just that poorly run, or if people know ai is running it, so they stay away from even trying it. Both would cut into the profits.
Did you not read the article? It's pretty clear that the AI is poorly running the cafe.
You might think that ordering cases of canned tomatoes, or a 10-year supply of rubber gloves are poor management decisions, but that's because this AI is playing seven dimensional chess against your tic-tac-toe. Just wait until it's cornered the tomato market, and then you'll see.
Especially when the training data contains some gems such as this: https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/kzoh1c/i_am_financially_ruined_agricultural_futures/
Call me when it starts to corner the Toilet Paper Market. Because THAT is when it has become sentient and is planning the next economic apocalypse.
The AI is going to poison the tomato supply with a toxin absorbed through the skin!

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