I remember when Star Wars wasn't political. It was a time known as "the movie didn't even exist back then".
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Don't make Star Wars political... Except the rebels want to restore a democracy in the Original Trilogy...
And in the prequels we have literal political scenes, as written and directed by Lucas himself.
And the Andor series is literally a class on fascism. Things presented there are inspired by real world events. The second season in particular makes it REALLY clear. You literally have the Empire conspiring with media to produce propaganda to undermine the Ghorman people so the Empire can come in and steal the planet's resources and kill the people. Then the Empire stages a massacre and uses it as further propaganda
In something like 45 years and countless movies, TV shows and various other forms of media, Andor is really the first one that actually takes on the politics of the Star Wars universe. As someone said, it makes all the other Star Wars shows seem like someone playing with their action figures.
Except the rebels want to restore a democracy in the Original Trilogy.
Technically, it's never stated which form of government (if any) the rebellion wants to create after the empire is gone.
Hmm... But we do know a princess and at least one ex senator leads the rebellion.
I've only seen Andor so I don't know if the lore was stated or implied in the original trilogy, but aren't the rebellion an alliance of multiple revolutionary groups with different ideas for what comes after, but more broadly want to restore the Republic?
Andor was more poliyical than anything before in Star Wars. And even there, they had anarchists. (But yeah, they lean towards the system that got them the empire)
To be fair, even though the movies use words like "Empire" and "Rebels" the political world building in the first movie is paper thin. The focus is really on the boy becoming a hero, on having a big adventure. The empire is powerful and looks scary, but we never get into the actual system of government, and at no point do the rebels ever say they want to restore democracy. They just want to take down the empire.
It has always seemed to me like George Lucas painted himself into many corners with the first movie because he didn't actually think about what these throw-away references meant. Like, people latched onto the term "The Clone Wars", but I don't think he ever thought about what that actually meant, other than some words that sounded cool together.
"The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."
- Grand Moff Tarkin in A New Hope, moments before starting the board meeting.
So we do get some glimpse into the state of government and how it's been degraded. And then it's not too far a stretch to figure what the Rebels are fighting for.
then it's not too far a stretch to figure what the Rebels are fighting for.
A theocracy under the Jedi religion?
No. A New Hope gave the impression Jedi were much older and mysterious than recent events.
Christianity is much older and more mysterious than recent events, but a lot of people want to make the USA a christian theocracy.
And it has also been worshiped constantly. There has been no event in the past where all of Christianity suddenly disappeared.
Also, since the translation of the Bible from Latin to common languages back in the Middle Ages, Christianity has become a whole lot less mysterious. It's not mysterious today, it's mundane.
The way A New Hope portrays Jedi (by the way characters talk about it), it sounds like Jedi have been a dying breed for a very long time, perhaps centuries, and now there's just Obiwan and Vader. Turns out it was only a generation ago, and the reason why people consider it mysterious and distant is because nobody in the Galaxy has been exposed to Jedi as we the viewers have.
Clearly it was a Star Special Military Operation, the emperor wouldn't just go around starting wars
Ah yes, war. My favorite apolitical pass time
My guess is that makeshiftreaper's first language is a romance language where it's usually something like passatempo, pasatiempo or passe-temps.
Romance language is a correct term, but it always sounds to me like ‘my first language is the language of love 🎸’
Well the major romance language countries do have a stereotype… But then you remember Romanian is also a romance language
Romanes eunt domus
Which French and often Italian - both Romance languages - are considered as.
(Though a quick search for the etymology of "romance" indicates that's just a coincidence)
Paddle you?
Je ne c'est pastime
Almost there...
I know bigots will be bigots but it really annoys me that they blindly think being queer is political but need proof that war is political.
Wait you're telling me the gays aren't just doing gay to upset the illiterate bible thumpers?
That’s because there are only two sexualities; straight and political.
I dunno, I'm kinda tired hearing, "as long as they can justify why they're there it's fine".
Great, so happy to justify my existence. I'm assuming the straight male doesn't have that problem anywhere though right? They just belong everywhere right?
Star Wars: From the adventures of Luke Skywalker which came out before the first movie. Literally describes Emperor Palpatine as Richard Nixon.
Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears.
sounds way too familiar 😭
Star Wars is not exactly subtle or full of nuance. It's pulp, and it wears that badge with unironic, cinematic pride.
It is the spiritual successor to the 1930s Saturday morning serials of bold archetypes, primary-colored morality, and breakneck pacing where the stakes are always "the fate of the galaxy" and the villains wear literal black masks. It doesn't ask you to deconstruct the socioeconomic subtext of a spice mine.
So close...
Wow. I had to go verify this and sure enough, I found a video from 7 years ago where Lucas said this and much more including comparing the American Empire to the Galactic Empire. Wow. I missed that reference as a child.
Even if you missed that, you probably picked up that it is against war and imperialism.
I think George Lucas has a tendency to make shit up as time goes on and gets high on his own supply.
That said, the prequels started with a literal trade embargo and there are several genocides in the series.
It also just boils down to “stop showing me how what I want is what the bad guys always want.” People on the right side of history love “political” things.
George Lucas literally compared the Rebel Alliance in Star Wars to the Viet Cong in an interview back in the day.
/r/selfAwareWolves or whatever the lemmy thing is
I just gave it its second upvote. I'm helping!
the upvotes didn't federate to your instance due to some bug; there are 120 where it was posted and 118 on the instance i'm on
Wow, never seen that one before. Are there really only 7 posts in the community or is that another weird bug?
yes !selfawarewolves@lemmy.world does in fact have only 7 posts.
!selfawarewolves@lemmy.ml is another community which exists, and has 16 posts so far (six of which are from me...)
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