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[–] 230 points 6 months ago (21 children)

Has this man even been inside a Starbucks recently? They used to be loungy places people could chill, now they're all bland, sparsely decorated, dirty, and uninviting. There is absolutely nothing premium about Starbucks, it's basically a fast-food chain. Once again demonstrating how far removed CEOs are from reality

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  • [–] 104 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Fast food is expensive too. And it’s hurting their sales, and they can’t figure out that they need to slice profits, not the product.

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Burger King is just inedible now. And by that I mean twice now I've eaten there, and then within an hour my stomach upset. Then followed by 12 hours of what can only be described as "VIOLENT DIARRHEA". Yes, all caps, because thats the urgancy that situation called for.

    Two different locations too. Plus the first time I went with a friend, and she got it too. The first time I chalked it off to being that particular location. Then, nearly 8 months later, different location, different city. Same result.

    After that, Burger King is officially just as banned from my diet as taco bell is. Inedible.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Chipotle is still the king of food poisoning. They have a proven track record in toilet-related war crimes going back many years. Guess I'm adding BK to my no-go list now too.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Whereas I’ve never had food poisoning in the 10ish times I’ve eaten at Chipotle, Cici’s pizza is 3 for 3 for violence out both ends for me. The third time I was practically fooled into it, but I’d rather just starve next time (there won’t be one).

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    Inedible Now? Your same experience was mine over 15 years ago. I was getting stomach pains and shitting really bad every single time I had BK. He’ll even towards the end I couldn’t even swallow a fry. I had started switching to onion rings cause the fries left a wax taste in my mouth after.

    I haven’t had BK since then. 2010 ish. I ended up dropping all fast food after Covid cause the prices just don’t match up with quality anymore.

    I heard a single combo meal at McDonalds clocks in near $20 these days. Fuck that noise. Not for a thin, dry “meat” patty that gets microwaved and then thrown between a pair of bread slices. No sir. No thanks. I rather spend that $20 on take out from a real restaurant.

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  • [–] 47 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Came here to say this. What ‘premium’ experience is he talking about?

    Something tells me that the only Starbucks he actually has used recently is likely a very high-end version for the C titles in HQ, meters away from his office and for employee use only.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They're calling it an experience becuase consumers are indicating they are willing to pay for experiences while pulling back spending on daily expenses.

    Consumers mean concerts and vacations and this douche knows he isn't actually offering an experience so he does the mind trick where he says the term over and over to associate in the consumers mind the idea that drive thru coffee is an experience.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Absolutely. It was a clear attempt at adding ‘perceived value’ by using the word ‘experience’ so many times. He knows what type of consumer he’s speaking to.

    These interviews are really just PR opportunities for guys like this (in their perception).

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    He's talking about the Starbucks experience he has. Headquarters will always be the perfect Starbucks, and if he goes to a real shop, it'll be a newly opened one with a new special item. He doesn't go to the actual shops people probably associate with Starbucks.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    When I want to lounge at a café, I'm expecting a warm, inviting interior, some plants, bookish decor, smooth jazz, hip staff, and a coffee that could only be produced by coffee geeks with attention to detail at every step of the process...

    You walk into a starbucks today, everything is cold and industrial, they've got pop music blaring on the radio, and the staff all look miserable. Oh, and the coffee sucks.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I remember 90's era Starbucks and a bunch were still pretty grungy corners of strip malls. But the point was they were still coffeeshops, despite being a chain that went corporate.

    Now they're glorified coffee stands with real estate baggage and little sandwiches. And zero of that 'third place' shit they used to dominate the market.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I'm happy to drink a $2 coffee from the gas station (probably a half gallon of it 🙂) and set the remaining $7 aside. Then again, I only get drip coffee and not any of the milkshake-y stuff Starbucks specializes in.

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  • [–] 72 points 6 months ago

    The interviewer's inability to hide his reaction is priceless

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  • [–] 59 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Premium my ass.

    I love our local coffee place. We bring our dogs. The baristas bring them cups of whipped cream. The place is cozy and they sell art from local artists. And the coffee is actually good and doesn't taste like someone burned it. I usually make my own coffee, but it's nice to go there once a week and just enjoy being there. That is premium.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I love making my own coffee, but I also love going to a local shop every now and then (at home and when I'm on the road)

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Whereas I don’t love making coffee every day, it’s a fair sight cheaper and quite a bit faster than even just pulling off into the drive through at my local coffee shop, let alone a Starbucks. It’s boiling water that’s been steeped through ground, roasted beans folks.

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  • [–] 51 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Let's just pretend Starbucks coffee didn't taste like cheap, crusty asshole for a second... Fuck you, Brian!

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  • [–] 94 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I hate this trend of putting shit at the beginning that I then have to hear again less than 10 seconds later. Like I get it's for grabbing you but the second I start hearing the same thing again I immediately close the video.

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago
    [–] 45 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The coffee sucks, the tables are all filled or dirty and sticky, the outside seating is in a parking lot, baking in the sun, the drive through is backed up to the interstate, the food is re-heated trash that costs a fortune, the atmosphere is boring factory produced trash, and the wifi is so slow it's like it doesn't exist.

    Why. Why on earth would I go to starbucks

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    People are absolute zombies for it. In the airport, there’s always a line into the concourse for that overpriced burnt shit. There are other coffee and bagel and donut shops mere steps away whose coffee is cheaper and better.

    I was in fucking midtown manhattan last week, with amazing coffee shops on every block. Still a line out the door at Starbucks. Like what the fuck, people.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    And yet they are still making loads of money. Mind you I'd kina hope they start to die so I can get one of their machines for home from liquidation auction.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "Starbucks CEO, easily replaced by AI. Here, we'll show you why that's the case."

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  • [–] 70 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Wow that guy doesn’t even look human. No wonder he had no issue mandating all employees return to the office while he flew a private jet from California to Seattle every day.

    Its also hilarious he has that ear piece in his ear so that his PR team can feed the machine the 'correct' focus-grouped response to every question.

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I had a Starbucks franchise owner tell me that Starbucks doesn't sell coffee; [they] sell an experience.

    Then improve the experience, I told him. I seriously have no idea how they're still around.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Starbucks doesn't franchise FYI. They have places that sell coffee "Proudly Serve Starbucks Coffee" as well as licensed stores, but those are typically mega corps like Safeway, Target and HMS host.

    https://www.tastingtable.com/1633136/we-proudly-serve-starbucks-explained/

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    End of the day it is on us to actually use the tools of haters and trolls to fight back against any of this stuff. But we police ourselves. They trained us to police ourselves away from the tools.

    We created the internet. We learned we can use it to shape culture and push back against these rich interests but they also learned it at the same time. So they covertly used bot accounts to push us away from ways to shape our world and instead trained us to use this stuff to post about beans and "its morbing time"

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They need some way to pay for the year he commuted to Seattle by private jet.

    Also, he is the asshole who said to keep raising the prices at Chipotle.

    Fuck him. I will drink Folgers (and I do) before I'll drink your shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I work an a facility next to a few fast food joints, a Japanese restaurant, an Indian restaurant, and a Chipotle. Pretty much the only restaurant we don't order from is Chipotle.

    ... Chipotle is real restaurant prices for a fastfood experience.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Friendly reminder that during 9/11, Starbucks in NYC charged firefighter $5 for tap water.

    Now, I realize $5 today doesn't sound like much, but to put it in comparison, at the time a bottle of 20oz water ranged between $0.50, and $1.25 at grocery stores.

    So here's these men, saving lives, risking their own, covered in asbestos and other soot, desprate for a drink to keep saving lives, and the manager of that starbucks decides thats a good time to gouge them for tap water. BITCH THAT SHIT SHOULD BE FREE!!! Especially for these guys! Many of whom died when the towers collapsed. Their last drink for some of them was a price gouged starbucks tap water.

    Edit: I just thought of another way to put it in perspective. I remember in 2000 my dad would give me $5 occasionally to get dinner from McDonalds so he didn't have to cook. It was at the time enough for a medium size double quarter pounder meal. Large or super size would have taken me over the $5 mark, but the medium would just barely cover it.

    So now next time you're at McDonalds, look at the price of what that is today, and imagine being asked to pay that for a plastic cup with tap water.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Yes. Starbucks. The McDonald’s of coffee shops. High class. Premium.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    I'm in India, and when I was in college, first Starbucks in the city was opened and a few of my friends including me wanted to try it. We all spent 500-600 INR ($4-5) which was a lot. After taking the first sip, we all came to the conclusion that the coffee sold at the college canteen for ₹20 was better than this overpriced slop.

    I make coffee at my home for less than a dollar and I love the taste and I love the experience.

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    It's sad to think there are people in the world that think Starbucks coffee is nice.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, Starbucks finally has a few places here in Copenhagen, but that was after a few years of simply not getting a hold anywhere; shops that opened, stayed for less than a year, then closed.

    The competition here is Joe and the Juice, a local company, and various small privately owned baristas.

    Starbucks has some permanent places right now, but they're still not big. Haven't heard many people say positive things about them.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    The original Starbucks was pretty good and even for a while after they started the franchise they were still a bit above average quality. They're crap now, but that was a slow decline over the last decade. So they can coast on the reputation the original built and rely on their current customers either not ever having had good coffee or not noticing the slow incremental decline.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    We WANT this to be Worth Your While so we're Paying our Baristas enough to Make It Worth Your While! Buying only the BEST Coffee Beans! Creating NEW Techniques to make your Coffee even MORE Enjoyable! Investing in our Stores so there COMFORTABLE! Giving me, the CEO, a Private Jet!

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    A $96-million dollar douche defends a $9 cup of coffee

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    Anti union piece of shit

    Also interview only included CEO, no labor representation

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Prioritizing "experience" over coffee itself is not new for Starbucks. Even before the $9 price tag, their prices far exceeded their (low quality) coffee because they're selling the experience.

    Coffee roasters sometimes refer to them as "Charbucks."

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Haven't willing gone to a Starbucks in years. There is nothing premium about Starbucks.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    I'm surprised he didn't mention the "sense of pride and accomplishment" buying a $9 coffee would bring -_-

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    A bag of locally roasted coffee is $12 and lasts me two weeks. It used to be $9, before the orange shithead but let's ignore that. A pot of coffee takes about as long as it takes for water to boil. I'm clearly not the target demographic, but still. Nine fucking dollars for a cup?

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    TBF the only people that have to answer for it are the ones still buying them.

    Like, he may literally have been thinking "because you dumb bitches will pay that", but obviously couldn't say it.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Bingo.

    I haven't had Starbucks in 14 years, even then I would get one on occasion only because that was the coffee shop on my work campus.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    It's not like it's a unique offering at this point either. Everyone and their dog has complicated syrupy coffee/tea drinks on their menu.

    I don't know, maybe the busy-but-nicer-than-McDonalds ambiance is worth it to some people. If it's anything like Tim Hortons, lots of people just buy out of pure habit as well. Either way, that's their business, not the person selling it.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago*

    a great moment with a barista.

    Hahaha. Good one. Literally a great reason to buy independent.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    I mean, let's be real, how much does a banana even cost Michael? Twelve dollars?

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Look at the wording- 'premium experience'. He's not selling coffee, he's thinking big picture of the whole experience from the moment you walk in the store. He's not even wrong here. This is good business management- that he's taking charge of everything about the store from the decor, the furniture, the colors, how the employee talks to you, etc. That's all part of the experience.

    What's wrong is that people keep going. Most people don't give a fuck about the experience, they just want a tasty coffee. Our economy is based on competition and free choice. If he makes his coffee cost $8 or $9 or $15 or $50 that's his right and his company's right. Just as it is your right to go elsewhere, which you should be doing anyway.

    The thing is- IMHO, Starbucks coffee isn't worth anywhere near $9. Here's a challenge- go to Starbucks and order a double espresso shot. Now find a local artisan coffee place, like the type with a chalkboard that says where the beans they're brewing today were grown. And get a double espresso from them also. Compare the two.
    What you'll notice about Starbucks is that it's burnt. And that's because it's literally burnt- the typical Starbucks bean is roasted MUCH darker than average, so the resulting coffee flavor is dominated by a burned smoky bitter-ish flavor.
    Compare that to your local artisan coffee place- you'll notice it's NOT burnt, the flavor is NOT dominated by smokiness, but you have a lot more layers of flavor. Then order whatever drink you want- better coffee in means better drink out.

    Keep in mind also most of what Starbucks sells isn't really coffee, it's milky sugary drinks that incorporate a few drips of espresso. So you're paying $9 for a sugary calorie bomb made from overly roasted coffee that just makes you fat.


    Also- if you usually order the same thing at Starbucks- just learn to make it. Even if you throw $1000 at a nice fully automatic espresso machine, taking the per-coffee cost from $9 to $1 means you'll break even on the machine in 125 coffees. For most people that's less than a year. And you can do it yourself- next time you order, watch what the barista does. They are not wizards and nothing behind the counter is magic. An espresso machine and a blender will make like 95% of the menu. Here's a guide

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Even on a shoestring budget you can get far. My equipment:

    10 euro 'grinder' 30 euro moka pot (bialetti) Decent beans (segafredo, lavazza) about 10 euro per kilo (on offer), lasts my family about a month.

    I like late macchiato, which in my case is about 2 thirds milk heated in the micro, 1 third coffee.

    I know the above will horrify real coffee enthusiasts, but I can tell you it's a lot better than starbucks, and a lot cheaper too.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'd throw a couple more bucks at the grinder, but I've had moka pot coffee and it's surprisingly good. Granted I'm only a low-level coffee snob but I've always been of the opinion do what works for you and screw the haters. And while someone might make fun of your setup, from where I sit you are getting a cup of coffee you like better than Starbucks for less than €1 per cup. Sounds like a win to me!

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    If you have decent coffee, you get the grind dialed in, and a half decent sub 300€ expresso machine, you can get very very good coffee.

    I have owned a small resto in Spain, so I kind of know a bit about expresso.

    The coffee experience is 100% subjective, anyway.

    Some like light roasts, dark, some Arabica, some robusta, some espresso, pour over, some percolated (I just barfed a little in my mouth here).

    There is a lot of bullshit being peddled by coffee influencers who every week have to make a video about the same subject to keep making money, anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Yeah the problem with espresso is once you have good espresso you really can't go back to drip coffee. It just tastes like bitter colored water :(

    But you also make a good point, Starbucks sells a ton of different drinks but the shot that goes into them is always the same. If you put in a little time to experiment and dial in it's easy to find something that fits your taste even better.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    I got an espresso machine a few years ago and learned to make a proper latte with it. At this point, a $9 cup of charry sugar water made by a teenager in a fast food restaurant doesn’t really appeal to me.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    The average coffee drinker doesn’t buy coffee to get a great seat and have a moment with a barista lol. They want to get their coffee as fast as possible and be out of there as quick as possible. Just like the average office worker doesn’t take a private jet to get to work. I guess that’s where his logic is coming from. He spends the fuel and CO2 not for the commute, but for the great legroom and moment with the stewardess.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    this has the McDonald's CEO eating vibes all over again.

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