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[–] 138 points 6 months ago (10 children)
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  • [–] 56 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    “So what about this statement someone else made?”

    “You’re a shitty person for repeating words and I assumed you were shit and so now I’m calling you shit to deflect…”

    “Yes well uh gosh Mr president okay…”

    Fucking incompetence…

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago

    It’s been real since at least the 80s. Imagine the busses full of execs and millionaires and collaborators who stayed quiet all this time to make sure he got where he is today. None of whom we will talk about once the chief pedo is dead.

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  • [–] 121 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (13 children)

    Isn't he a convicted rapist? Surely that means he's in fact a rapist

    Edit: thanks to all the people pointing out that he wasn’t convicted

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  • [–] 67 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    He wasn't convicted of the crime of rape because he hasn't, to date, been criminally charged with rape. He was sued civilly by E. Jean Carroll for sexual abuse and defamation, and found by a jury liable for both acts. Which means the jury found that sufficient evidence existed that he did sexually abuse her even without a criminal conviction for rape.

    The judge later clarified that the acts that the the jury found him liable for, forcible penetration of the vagina with his fingers, do constitute first degree rape under New York law. And first degree rape in New York has no statute of limitations. Were he to be tried for rape, the evidence in the civil suit would be admissible and he would almost certainly be convicted of rape. Weird that hasn't happened, but here we are.

    So technically, he is not a convicted rapist as he has yet to be criminally charged and tried for rape. But he has also been determined by a court and a jury to have absolutely sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in a manner that constitutes rape under New York law. "Rapist love this one weird loophole."

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  • [–] 48 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    He paid her 78 million dollars specifically so that he wouldn’t have to take a DNA test to prove his innocence.

    Hmmmm

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago*

    I missed something. What dna were they going to test that could influence a case for a crime that occurred 30 years ago?

    E. Jean Carroll requested a DNA sample from Donald Trump in 2020 to compare with unidentified male DNA found on the dress she allegedly wore during a 1990s sexual assault.

    Well there you go.

    EDIT: added some googling.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    He was found civily liable for sexual assault by a jury. It means a jury said he did it, but it's not actually a conviction because civil suits are between private parties whereas criminal cases are between the defendant and society. They also have very different methods of punishment, as they pursue different goals.

    In criminal court, the prosecutors seek punitive damages. It usually takes the form of a fine or a prison sentence. In civil court, the plaintiff (who can also be the government) seeks relief in the form of compensation for damages or an order to do something, undo something, or stop doing something. You can't

    This makes sense when you think about it. Let's say you get pulled over for speeding. You didn't actually cause any damage, you can't undo having sped, and since you were pulled over you've already stopped speeding. So the state's options are pretty much limited to punishment for having committed the crime. And once you've paid the ticket, the matter is resolved.

    But what if instead of speeding, you build a building that extends beyond your property line and into a public street? Criminal statues allow for a fine, but that's about it. Cities can even do daily fines, but rich people can just pay the fine and effectively take control of public land.

    For that, you need to go through the Civil process, because in the civil system the goal isn't justice or punishment, but relief. Instead of getting fines, the government can get an order from a judge requiring the building to be removed, and even to allow the government to bulldoze the building and bill the landowner for the expense of the demo and remediation.

    This is why, unless you're looking at a felony, you'd rather have the government take you to criminal court than civil.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Yes. Ahhh, yes, but, see, right...ok, at that exact moment of recording the orange rapist of women and little girls (and probably boys) was -probably- not raping a thing...probably. {taps temple}

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  • [+] -9 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Well, the usa passed a law that makes a tomato a vegetable instead of a fruit, so labels don't mean much there (neither does law anymore), so who knows? I agree though because of the "walks like a duck" logic.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    "Vegetable" isn't a real scientific term. Nothing is stopping a fruit from also being a vegetable

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There is a definition of a fruit though, and it is understood that vegetables are not fruit. As I understand it.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Sure, but tomatoes are a fruit botanically (more precisely, a berry). "Vegetable" is a culinary term, and has no real strict definition beyond "a plant grown to be eaten", so a tomato falls squarely into being a berry, a fruit, and a vegetable.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    As far as I'm aware, the supreme court made a ruling on that, but that's not the same as passing a law. Are you conflating the two or do you have additional sources? Because I can't find any evidence that was made a law.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    No, just something I heard or read a long time ago. If not a law, some sort of official status or recognition anyway.

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  • [–] 101 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Dude LITERALLY raped his ex wife.

    Dude was convicted of sexual assault.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Sexual assault that the presiding judge said would have been legally rape if not for New York's strict definition of "rape" as involving penile-vaginal penetration.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's a pretty shitty definition New York.

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    He was determined by a jury in court to have sexually abused E. Jean Carroll too. While the case was a civil suit for sexual abuse (and defamation), not a criminal charge for rape, he was still determined to have committed specific acts that do constitute first degree rape under New York law, a crime for which there is no statute of limitations. In other words, he's not a convicted rapist, but still definitely a rapist, just an as yet unconvicted one.

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  • [–] 70 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    How the FUCK, is there already a 60 Minutes interview about this?

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  • [–] 75 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    They had weeks to prepare for it.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Doesn't make sense. If O’Donnell is in league with Trump, then why would she be butchering Trump like this?

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Ever seen good old Babylon 5? When the corrupt president seizes the media and uses it for propaganda etc. There are still good people in the media, but they can't be openly critical or they will be removed. Subtle jabs like this are pretty much all they'll be willing to risk.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    But if this is all a plot by the US government, and the assassin is presumably in on it, then why would the manifest be talking about pedophiles at all? That is not the kind of fake manifest Team Trump would have written.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I was joking, I don't think it was staged because they looked like idiots.

    But if they were to stage it, what do you think they would put on the manifesto? They hate him for having too nice hair? They would want to associate the people who criticizes them with madness and violence.

    I guess they hate enough people they could have used Muslims, trans, black... Hell even greenlandish as scapegoats.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    But if they were to stage it, what do you think they would put on the manifesto? They hate him for having too nice hair?

    Fox News demonizes a caricature of Democrats every single day. I don't watch Fox News, but surely Fox News would be able to write such a "manifest". It would probably include mentions of stuff like "antifa".

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Antifa is not hot right now. They could use it to try to shift focus, but if the war didn't make it I don't think that would.

    "You have Epstein derangement syndrom" is something they might want.

    Again, I don't think it's staged, I just think they might want to change the perception with that of it was.

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  • [–] 68 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    *pedophile

    *rapist

    *rapist

    *rape

    *pedophile

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  • [–] 52 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Adjudicated rapist.

    Openly speaks about sexually assaulting women.

    Has made many very creepy remarks about his daughter as well as other people's daughters.

    Is the single most prominently featured individual in the Epstein Files.

    So it's 100% accurate to call him a rapist and reasonably implicated pedophile.

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  • [–] 48 points 6 months ago

    Thank you, miss O'Donnell. Not all heroes wear capes.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago

    Donald Trump is an adjudicated rapist, so he's definitely lying there with that denial.

    That doesn't make the entire statement true, but if it were false I suspect the Epstein files would have been released in full unredacted by now, as the law requires. It would completely exonerate him, if he had nothing to hide.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The moron doth protest too much

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    In his criminal mind, they can't prove it so he can lie about it but EVERYBODY knows exactly who they are referring to when they mention pedophile and rapist. Releasing the unredacted Epstein files is his greatest fear - people will die before he allows it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    It's not he can lie about it, it's he cannot admit any other version. You could have him found guilty, release the Epstein files, have him raping someone on video, he will claim over and over that everything is fake and he's not guilty. Dude is not cabled to admit any wrong doing.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago

    He never said he is not a traitor?

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    "I'm not a rapist. I didn't rape anybody." -- Donald Trump, Convicted Rapist

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Why the fuck wouldn't he think the manifesto is referring to him?

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  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    It's ok to say "rape" and "pedophile" on the internet.

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  • [+] 32 points 6 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Lol I'm here because reddit banned me because I mentioned a murder-suicide case that was another commenter was trying to recall. Apparently I "threatened violence" 🤷‍♀️ is lemmy as as easily triggered? 🤔

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Just certain instances. There is no 'one' lemmy.' which is the entire point of federated services (despite what .world admins think).

    Most Lemmy instances are fine for most discussions of most things. .World is by far the most restrictive and most like reddit and other zionist-owned and ran services. Because it is owned and run by zionists. See !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for wide ranging examples and reasons why .world is insane.

    In general this is the only reason you need to pay attention to the instance you're on. If you, as a .world user, frequently start posting anti-zionist rhetoric like 'Maybe we shouldn't kill children or use literal fucking rape-trained dogs on prisoners' you might find yourself banned or shadow banned pretty quickly.

    Just like if you're too right-wing to understand why capitalism is bad, and you repeat neoliberal propaganda against socialism as a .ml user, you'd be banned.

    The only really universal rules for commonly federated lemmy instances is no CSAM (ignore ani.social) and don't send death threats/hate speech (unless you're a .world admin and the target is palestinians, I cannot stress enough how much the entire lemmy.world admin team hates brown people native to the land of Palestine that are currently being genocided by the terrorist settler state of Israel and it's dog the United States.)

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Ah yeah I'm still getting my head around the whole instances thing but good to know so thanks for that. I'd honestly never even heard the term of federated in regards to socials/forums etc before looking up alternatives to reddit 😅

    Also what the actual fuck with those military dogs, sickening stuff. Very disturbing when humans are using other animals to humiliate and assault people like that. The dogs don't have the same understanding of what they're doing as humans would so, to me, that lays entirely on the people who are training and encouraging dogs to engage in that kind of stuff - the intention comes from the human. Ugh, that was a disturbing read!

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    But they are saying it. Everyone knows what's being said. It's understood what's being meant.

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    [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, I don't think the shooter was talking about the mentalist.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    This dude is such a damn joke.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    at the grand ballroom opening. Epstein memorial exhibits

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    That last line hit like a plot twist you saw coming 😅

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    “Oh, do you think he was referring to you?” is now one of my all-time favorite burns. As maddening and inadequate as the press can be, at least they’ve figured out that Trump is easy to bait.

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    It’s a reasonable defence for the suspect if they can identify another rapist, pedophile, traitor as the intended target; an equally trivial and challenging task given the attendees.

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    That's what the journalist is reading from in the meme. You can find the interview online and you can find people discussing the contents of the accused shooter's alleged message. Apparently it's about 1000 words long and I haven't found it in its entirety but that's probably out there. Most folks are just discussing the part in the meme here and also the parts where he talks about who he considers a legitimate target (essentially just Trump admin officials and people who shoot at him; no one else).

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    The guy who tried to shoot you was referring to you when he said why. Not really a gotcha

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  • [–] 63 points 6 months ago

    The current information is that he wasn't their to shoot the president, but to attack certain politicians.

    So this assumption on his part indicates guilt. That is how a detective investigating a crime would see it.

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