Sigh Unzip. If that's what I've got to do to carve out some space, then so be it!

Maintaining healthy trees with urine covering with federal employee benefits and a government pension sounds like a dream job.

No doubt they'd find a way to make it a bureaucratic nightmare of a job. But I'm down.

Not a hard bar to clear.

some leftists are furries though

And yet, we have had countries, kingdoms, territories and empires for thousands of years.

At times all defended by literal walls as to keep people out.

How are people pretending they do not know this?

You have my vote, melee matches to the death preferred. I think the first two matches should be Trump, then Bibi. Is there any way we can expand this to billionaires before filling out the rest of the tour agenda?

and they aren't forcing other animals to comply and pay taxes for the maintenance of those borders

Aside from like not having a country name or formal procedures, I think you're probably mostly wrong actually.

I guess that's why Parisians are so patriotic.

"... and that's how I got arrested by border control."

The draft but you're sent to the Canadian/Mexican border to pee on the border line

Why do you think I drink so much water?

Surveyor stakes are the equivalent to peeing on a tree these days.

And at our core for millions of years we have been pack animals like the wolf or lion or sheep. Lemmy is filled with packs and tribes that will defend their "territory" by expulsion anyone that disagrees with the pack strongly enough. Just as humans have done for those same millions of years.

Like this? https://lemmy.world/post/46019997

She was on holiday.

wrong, there are no borders... so this cant border on anything

Walled towns/cities used to be common. In some contexts, it makes more sense than walled countries.

People build structures to form their communities. Not everyone from outside the community can be trusted to respect the integrity those structures, especially when a rival community builds an army or if there are roaming bands of raiders or whatever. In those situations, a walled town becomes necessary for the common defense, provides a refuge for the surrounding villagers, and overall just makes it a lot easier for people to protect themselves.

Not only that, it's just much more practical materially. It's easier to build and man a wall one mile in circumference than it is to build one 500 miles long with no closure.

In the modern context, walled towns aren't really as necessary as they were in say medieval times when basically any land outside a fiefdom was more or less unpatrolled and most places didn't have a unified body-politic maintaining civic order.

However, as society breaks down, communities polarize, extremists turn to political violence, and law enforcement agencies no longer feel obligated to protect people, a time may come again when building a wall around your town or neighborhood and controlling access points may become useful. Especially in say a post-apocalyptic scenario where there's a complete breakdown of society and you can no longer trust that the people in the next town over or the trailer park beyond that aren't gonna bring violence to your door.

Of course now there's aerial technology which can defeat the purpose of a wall, but it might at least keep Johnny Redneck with his extra big-ass truck and AR-15 out of your town. And nets and things might snare drones before they can detonate...

Might as well show plant tissues with defined cell walls and say "borders are natural".

Only a half truth. Borders may have been loosely defined but they were absolutely defended with violence. You couldn't wander in and hunt in your neighbors woods, take their timber or set up a farm too close. Hell, sometimes they even had well defined natural borders or walls (see: Hadrian's wall, the great wall of China)

Moving through an area in large numbers might draw a violent response and you might be coerced to leave if you spoke the wrong language or dressed the wrong way. If you were an unknown group of strangers they may well let your boat sink or leave you to starve outside their walls. Modern states have simply codified these reactions into law.

Proto-states and the associated mechanisms developed extremely quickly once sedentary agriculture became dominant. If your entire livelihood is tied to a field of grain you no longer get to run or hide from conflict; controlling who can and can't get near it becomes imperative.

Wolves don't build border walls, have customs checkpoints, or leave refugees to drown in the Mediterranean.

It's as good an excuse as any 🤷‍♂️

Also, countries need authoritarian governments because lobsters pee on each-other's faces.

Excuse me but the trees get off on it why are we punishing our neighbors for a little harmful fun?

Most countries dont but there are exceptions to the norm

I imagine that the wolves put nonzero hours into it

That is one literal definition of natural, yes.

Is this what enlightenment is?

I'm so gassy I'm not allowed around open flames without an adult anymore.

I've read that humans, chimpanzees and wolves are the only animals that have shown a capacity for genocide.

those wolves don't cross borders those because they already have what they need, and avoid upsetting their neighbors. not because the other wolf built a fance and has an army that will kill him, and is forced to live in his territory and pay taxes so his territory can be protected ny an army that will kill any wolves that enter without permission.

I feel like OP is trying to use science to justify the current militarized borders and state appointed violence against the people who cross them. It's a terrible comparison because natural territory boundaries are nothing like that. No creature in the animal kingdom has crap like I.C.E. and Border Patrol.

If you look closely, it's hard to find a "border" in the picture that isn't crossed.

They do it for the duty free shopping

Yes because it doesn't change the author's point in the slightest

why?

It is a mutual agreement between wolves and other wolves, in order to manage territory and avoid over hunting. They don't force other animals to comply. they don't force other animals to pay taxes to maintain it. There isn't one king wolf drawing those borders.

Now look at airliners which don't avoid overflying countries except where there are wars happening

I hope not, it's pretty pathetic to try and compare animals or packs of animals having territories, with militarized borders and state appointed violence. I don't think that's what the OP is doing, but many other people in these comment absolutely are serious.

Wind blows, trees' branches rub together and snap off twigs growing at the ends, creating gaps. They grow again, next windy day, they break again.

At the end of the day, yes we are.

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