The government has big plans for Mark Zuckerberg’s pervert glasses!

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[–] 7 points 6 months ago

Can we please just call them Gestapo by now? It's the fucking same.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Oh so soon, almost as if that was the point in the first place (and also to be perverts like the Epstein class dumbass who owns them)

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    In a lot of cases the people they detain might have several months or a year or more of procedure to get through, but they'd be allowed to stay after that, and in normal conditions they'd simply be let go and made to report to court for their proceedings. They've short circuited that process and now are just keeping people in detention while their cases are heard in immigration court. The goal here is to make people give up on their cases and choose to "self deport" by placing them in inhumane conditions. It's why so many people have died in ICE custody, their detention is designed to be unhealthy and dangerous to increase the pressure.

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    [–] 91 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Will they care / understand about false positives?

    Not likely.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    As long as they kill p. of c., it'll be deemed legal 🫡🤢

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Took me waaaaay longer than it should have to realize "p. of c." means "people of color".

    Still haven't figured out if you're censoring it, or if you think p. of c. is a faster way to abbriviate it.

    Either way, that "shorthand" is stupid, and you should just write it out.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Targets for what???? Being brown? They need AI to confirm their racism? Was the old peter griffin white/not white chart not doing it for them anymore???

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    You can't be called a racist if a machine decides it for you, same as if a drone does the killing, it mean you can't get convicted for murder even if you hit button to fire

    /s

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Hmmm... no. The defense "the machine decided" and "but the drone does the killing" will not fly in any sane system (which exclude the US).
    Someone decided to use the machine|drone, this someone is responsible.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm sure that's what it will be: proprietary and questionable algorithms to identify anyone that might not be a 3+ generation American of European origin.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    Time to carry portable EMPs

    … uhhh how do I make one?

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (14 children)

    You don't need a portable EMP.

    All you need is basic KN95 mask and a hoodie. Or you can invest in sunglasses or ID-blocking eyeglasses, like IDGuard from Zenni. The point is to have your features covered as much as is feasible. When I go to a protest I wear a costume that covers my whole head and a jumpsuit.

    You should have a KN95 on anyway if you're going out among people.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    You should know facial recognition software is optimized to defeat KN95 masks specifically

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    What do you think what you posted even means? covering most of what it is using to identify is already going to make it drastically more difficult to match

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Not really. It’s trivial to match your face. If you use an iPhone with FaceID it won’t miss a beat. You have to cover your full face, head, and eyes.

    The problem with this is that the idea of “KN95 and a hoodie” is that you’d still reasonably blend in. By the time you reach the point t of covering every identified part of your head, you’d also stick out like a sore thumb which doesn’t help you when the camera surveilling you is attached to the face of an ICE agent looking specifically in your direction.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Face id is putting a very good camera very close to your face and asking it if the face inches from the screen and stationary with respect to the camera matches exactly one face.

    Facial recognition is asking a worse camera if a moving partially obscured face is one of 338M legal residents and citizens or potentially millions of illegal folks. Since this is inherently an incredibly harder task it doesn't take much to make it impossible.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Then wear a cloth one with a pattern on it.

    This isn't difficult.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That won’t work either and it’s very difficult as a matter of fact.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Agreed that there's no perfect solution.

    But one can, and should, make it harder, and if your head, eyes, and face are covered (which is exceedingly easy and inexpensive to do with a ball cap, sunglasses, and a face mask) it's going to beat all but the best systems.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Do you have a reliable link to show this? I'm asking not to challenge or sealion, but because I'd like to know the limits of what you're referring to for my own safety and privacy.

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    Thanks. I think that's enough to see where you're going. It's on me to find better evidence, so I looked and it looks like a 2020 NIST report suggests masks increase the failure rate in 89 tested algorithms from 0.3% to 5-50%.

    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2020/07/nist-launches-studies-masks-effect-face-recognition-software

    That failure rate is enough to give plausible deniability and reasonable doubt in a court, I'd wager. But I'm sure ICE sees a higher failure rate a feature since it likely gives them more pretexts to arrest. At least we know the technology isn't reliable enough to support it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    I mean court’s not really a factor. The surveillance tech is only to help identify targets. One they nab you that’s it. The Supreme Court already ruled that it’s ok for them to target people based only on race. The confidence level of the tech against your covered face is sorta irrelevant in this scenario.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    The IR blocking glasses won't help with normal CV though, right? If you wear those glasses and try to unlock your iPhone, it won't work because the IR array can't read the facial features behind the glasses, but if you take a photo of yourself with said iPhone, they will appear as normal glasses

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Suddenly reminded of an article I saw from like... TEN years ago talking about anti-surveillance makeup and haircuts. It was just like painting block shapes in multiple colors on your face haha.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Notably the risks aren't simply that this will identify the undocumented its that it will provide a pretext to disappear almost anyone who isn't white.

    The question is does any given non-white person look enough like one of over 10M people to get falsely flagged given agents a pretext to remove almost anyone they stop. Facial recognition of one person against a large enough database will almost always provide at least on possible match this is especially true if it matches against possible aliens and not against possibly aliens and citizens. EG a query of both will likely turn up Betty Sue Smith is herself and maybe a possible match with Known Deportable but a search against only aliens may return only Known Deportable with agents dismissing any claim by Betty that her ID must be fake.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    it will provide a pretext to disappear almost anyone who isn't white.

    Pretty sure you don't need a.i. glasses to figure out what colour someone is.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Time to get your Insane Clown Posse makeup working.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I was thinking more Jokerz, but honestly ICP is cool by me. Not really my thing, but they've always been anti-fash and after Violent J's daughter got into the furry fandom and formed an alliance, they're solid in my book.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    The American people should wear masks and sun glasses when out.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Always has been.

    Cameras are THE tools for surveilance, and adding more everywhere has always had only one goal.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Wrong. The glasses will misidentify in real time.

    The goal is to "accidentally" arrest and deport US citizens.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Everyone should be wearing a Luigi mask anyway.

    Like in V for Vendetta, but Saint Luigi instead.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Why bother they just target random people anyway. I have never seen any indication that their behaviour is in any way directed.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The point is to absolve the human behind the arrest from responsibility. "The system" gets to do the decision making, then the human can't be responsible for making a mistake and arresting the wrong person.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    So we are doing “just following orders” again?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You guys have to install using fake mustaches/nose/glasses thing as a new trend... idk how do you call this

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    how convenient, the android zuckeborg has just deployed these glasses for those purposes.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    The glasses don't have to work, they just need "plausible" excuses for picking up anyone who catches their fancy. $1,500 a head, be it man, child, or woman.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Is this like how we planned to nuke the moon in the '50s to scare the Russians?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Not a problem, really. They wear masks? So do I.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly.

    Beating facial recognition is simple.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that their tools use not only facial recognition that can (with a non-perfect record) identify people wearing nose and below masks, but also identifies based on cell phone and geographic data. So if someone plans on relying on beating facial recognition, they'll need to also beat the other tools in use by wearing a full mask, not carry a cell phone, etc.

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    [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Fuck ICE.

    They can’t arrest us all

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Everyone should start wearing clothing with known cartel member faces silk-screened on every inch.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Ice are just Trumps police. They will be used against all of you in the near future. The way I understand things now is that hormuz will remain closed.

    This will create shortages in fertilizer (used in food production, so it will create food shortages) and oil shortages for a lot of countries.

    America has its own oil, but food could be affected. This will drive prices up even more. Americans and others will start to get aggressive because they cant afford food anymore. This is why ice is needed. Because some of you Americans have guns and will use them if you get desperate.

    I just pulled all money off the stock market myself. I think people are not realizing the importance of hormuz for everything. Its just a delayed effect.

    The YouTube channel Predictive History is good to watch to understand the much bigger picture whats happening here.

    Some people will say "conspiracy theory" and sure, I understand. I just like to be careful. If hormuz opens, we can all say im stupid. :)

    Effects have started in some countries:

    In Asia, where most ​Hormuz oil traffic goes, many countries have already reached the logical endgame of low reserves. Refineries have been cutting their flows, governments have resorted ​to active rationing, and price-sensitive consumers are cutting back. The Philippines has declared a national energy emergency. India has halted commercial liquefied petroleum gas supplies — used ‌widely for ⁠heating, cooking, and vehicle fuel. Japan has curtailed bus and ferry services because of fuel shortages.

    https://www.reuters.com/commentary/breakingviews/oil-markets-demand-crunch-is-about-go-global-2026-04-24/

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I might be in the local minority, but I feel as though there are going to be major job shortages due to AI obsolescence. Since it will be a global phenomenon, this trend will lead to an influx in illegal immigration. Two new citizens will turn into ten new citizens in a few decades, and the quality of our universal basic income will be inversely proportional to the number of unskilled laborers.

    ... with all this being said, I don't understand why the people on the internet are against immigration enforcement. The majority-both Republicans and Democrats-oppose having an open border. I don't understand why this is perceived as a Bipartisan issue.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Because its implemented poorly with the least amount of humanity. Some kids that went into that system have been lost due to poor paperwork, not to mention the legal citizens that were deported on "accident" for looking too brown.

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    [–] 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    You know... this would be scary if the current system weren't scarier. Glasses that misidentify even 70% of the time, may be significantly better than ice agents arresting everyone with a brownish skin color.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    lol the false positives are the point

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I didn't anticipate Icy Glassholes in this timeline.

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    We've already seen the glasses show up

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    [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    gonna be LOTS of shit popping up on their screens or whatever ..

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    They'll toss them as soon as it returns "CITIZEN" on a brown-person they "just KNOW" is in the country illegally...

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Would bet $100 now that the Meta-Rayban glass buyers are beta testing and feeding data for this exact outcome. It would have been obvious coming from Zuck.

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