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[–] 8 points 6 months ago (10 children)

You should know facial recognition software is optimized to defeat KN95 masks specifically

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    What do you think what you posted even means? covering most of what it is using to identify is already going to make it drastically more difficult to match

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Not really. It’s trivial to match your face. If you use an iPhone with FaceID it won’t miss a beat. You have to cover your full face, head, and eyes.

    The problem with this is that the idea of “KN95 and a hoodie” is that you’d still reasonably blend in. By the time you reach the point t of covering every identified part of your head, you’d also stick out like a sore thumb which doesn’t help you when the camera surveilling you is attached to the face of an ICE agent looking specifically in your direction.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Face id is putting a very good camera very close to your face and asking it if the face inches from the screen and stationary with respect to the camera matches exactly one face.

    Facial recognition is asking a worse camera if a moving partially obscured face is one of 338M legal residents and citizens or potentially millions of illegal folks. Since this is inherently an incredibly harder task it doesn't take much to make it impossible.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Then wear a cloth one with a pattern on it.

    This isn't difficult.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That won’t work either and it’s very difficult as a matter of fact.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Agreed that there's no perfect solution.

    But one can, and should, make it harder, and if your head, eyes, and face are covered (which is exceedingly easy and inexpensive to do with a ball cap, sunglasses, and a face mask) it's going to beat all but the best systems.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Do you have a reliable link to show this? I'm asking not to challenge or sealion, but because I'd like to know the limits of what you're referring to for my own safety and privacy.

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    Thanks. I think that's enough to see where you're going. It's on me to find better evidence, so I looked and it looks like a 2020 NIST report suggests masks increase the failure rate in 89 tested algorithms from 0.3% to 5-50%.

    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2020/07/nist-launches-studies-masks-effect-face-recognition-software

    That failure rate is enough to give plausible deniability and reasonable doubt in a court, I'd wager. But I'm sure ICE sees a higher failure rate a feature since it likely gives them more pretexts to arrest. At least we know the technology isn't reliable enough to support it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    I mean court’s not really a factor. The surveillance tech is only to help identify targets. One they nab you that’s it. The Supreme Court already ruled that it’s ok for them to target people based only on race. The confidence level of the tech against your covered face is sorta irrelevant in this scenario.

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