The United States’ foreign router ban didn’t make a whole lot of sense, and today may not change that.

The FCC has just granted Netgear a conditional approval to import its future consumer routers, cable modems, and cable gateways into the US through October 1st, 2027 — even though the company builds those devices in Asia and has not announced any plan to bring manufacturing to the United States.

Neither the FCC’s announcement nor Netgear’s announcement explain why Netgear was granted the temporary exemption. The FCC only states that the Pentagon has now made “a specific determination” that “such devices do not pose risks to U.S. national security.”

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[–] 58 points 7 months ago

The reason is clear: they paid a bribe and are giving the government the ability to back door into the devices to monitor for “patriotism”

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    How was it done? Money. Of course it's money. Either direct or indirect bribes "tips" to the FCC and/or their political bosses.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    They went through the process. I think it was JayzTwoCents had a video explaining it better. It is just a process for "national secutity" to verify that not back doors or such are installed with concerns about foreign "actors".

    link: https://youtu.be/zBz5wfoZQbU

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I just got an email from NETGEAR about this. (Yes, they insisted on capitalizing every letter of their brand name)

    Which was concerning, because I haven't bought a NETGEAR product in well over a decade and a half and am adamant about blocking ads and junk mail. How did I get on a mailing list for their company?

    Personally, seeing a message like this immediately tells me they're no longer a brand I can trust. I'm gonna keep using my old routers as long as I can.

    Interestingly enough, my ISP forced me to upgrade my modem to theirs last year, claiming that I can't use a commercial modem because none are made that interface with their company's technology. Once I installed their modem, my VPN refused to connect over WiFi to the new modem. And several of my WiFi devices just refused to connect in general, including security cameras around my house.

    Thankfully, I have an old WiFi router that I use internally in my network and my VPN still works with that. So I'm basically routing all my Internet traffic through an old router, which is set up as a bridge and physically connected to my new modem. It's the only way I can get reliable, stable, secure Internet in my home. Here's hoping the old router lasts for a very long time.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I had a coworker move into a new house recently and had several WTF moments. The ISP is provided through the HOA, the house is wired for ethernet but a tech had to come out to enable a port, and they are limited in the number of wifi connected devices.

    Honestly, the first one would have been enough for me to not buy the house and the second and third ones would make me find a new ISP.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    The first part isn't that unusual, and then it leads to the second part being provisioning the CPE (weird to not do it remote, but they probably get some kickbacks from the HOA). And then the last part sounds like user-error/bad business practices (because how's an ISP supposed to limit the number of devices when everything goes through my own router?)

    But I agree, that's not very nice and I wouldn't want to live there either.

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    [–] 113 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    First winner of the Netgear Peace Prize to be announced shortly.

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  • [–] 110 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    There's a reason and the reason will likely be revealed to be kickbacks and payoffs.

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  • [–] 197 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    Sounds like netgear routers are now 100% confirmed to be compromised with backdoors instead of just being probable

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  • [–] [S] 64 points 7 months ago* (15 children)

    Time to flash the old Netgear router with some open source firmware.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (14 children)

    Yep, but unfortunately it's not always as straight forward as it may sound. Plus, with routers becoming more difficult to acquire, it'll only get harder and harder to pull off. But there's OpenWRT and dd-WRT that work with a pretty decent range of routers as well as ASUS Merlin for many ASUS routers. Then, if you want to get nerdy with it and build your own router from an old computer, there's OPNsense and pfSense. Eventually it'll come down to these two if the ban is longterm and you want any semblance of obfuscation online...

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 7 months ago

    Yes, OPNsense is excellent if you have a spare computer to run it. Then you can repurpose your consumer router as a WiFi access point. I still feel safer flashing the old WiFi router with open firmware before using it even as a WAP.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    GL.iNet are flashable and come with their fork of OpenWRT out of the box. I run the latest regular OpenWRT on mine.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    What about regular do you find preferable to than their fork of WRT?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Just that it is FOSS without any black box binary blobs. It is stable and works great so why not.

    Edit: I don't have anything against the custom fork.

    Edit 2: That it is supported in the mainline OpenWRT means it will be updated with security and features even if the custom fork is abandoned.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    I tried getting into the nerdy side. I have an old PC with only one NIC, but apparently it needs two in order to bridge to a WiFi AP? That makes sense, but I don’t have an old PC with two NICs. Also, my NIC doesn’t support as much bandwidth as I have supplied anyhow. Sad times.

    Edit: the desktop is old enough that the mobo doesn’t have the slots I need. Effectively, I have to get a new old burner PC. It’s an old ThinkCentre with a dvd player built in.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well ya, you need at least two NICs to properly setup a firewall. Additionally, since NICs are the most crucial piece of hardware for routers and firewalls, it'll only be as good as the hardware it runs on. Older NICs lead to regular crashes and/or slow network speeds. So swapping the original NIC out and adding another is VERY typical when repurposing old PCs as a router. The most common options for NICs I've seen are the Intel I350-T2 and I350-T4. Ironically, they cost about as much as a decent router, but going this route actually puts you in control of your home network!

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    you need at least two NICs to properly setup a firewall.

    I'm not sure I'd recommend it, but two (or more) VLANs on a single NIC would work fine too. This setup is usually referred to as "router on a stick"

    I'm not sure about other OSes or Linux distros, but it's easy to add multiple VLANs on Debian. You load the 8021q kernel module, then add interfaces suffixed with the VLAN ID (e.g. if your NIC is ens3, you'd add ens3.10 to /etc/network/interfaces for VLAN 10). You'd also need to make sure the switch port is configured to allow VLAN10.

    Older NICs lead to regular crashes and/or slow network speeds.

    but the ones you're suggesting (I350-T2 and -T4) are 12 years old.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Great, now I just need everyone else to do this, I can have the greatest most rebust setup imaginable, what am I gonna use it for? To talk to the other two people with similar setups?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I assure you there are multiple people on this thread alone that have this setup. It's not like you somehow can't access the public internet once you've got a homemade router.

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  • [–] 81 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Corruption is pretty obvious these days.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It may always have been, its just more obvious than before.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Yeah this. They're not trying to hide it anymore. Just 10 years ago corruption may have required journalistic effort to uncover, now the admin yokels shout it from the rooftops, hoping to "trigger the libs".

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  • [–] 67 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Two possible reasons:

    They agreed to installation of American spyware, probably not limited to models sold in the US, or they paid their dues to Trump, and he called the FCC.

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  • [–] 60 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Spyware preinstalled. Has to be.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Well netgear has a stellar reputation for screwing up their firmware horribly so if they are involved in implementing the implant it absolutely will be noticed.

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    ah so don't buy a netgear router because the US Government will be listening in/watching. got it.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Do you really think they weren't already?

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago

    It’s obvious: the reason is money

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    This tells me Netgear probably bent the knee and kissed the ring.

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  • [–] 54 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Gonna be really funny when it's revealed in 5 years that Netgear routers have a backdoor for the Chinese govt and the US okayed it because of the money the Trump admin got.

    It's literally the type of corruption that was claimed China would do for the last 4 decades.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    ......now see, you SAY funny. I think we have a difference of opinions on humor. You know what I find funny? You ever see that old video from the 90s of Donald Duck slumped down in his chair, getting a handjob from Daisey duck? And he can't handle it. He's all like "Ooooooweeeeee!!! Oh my gaaawwwwddddddd!!!! Playin wit ma balls! Playin wit ma balls!!!! Oooooooh!!!!!!"

    And then he just cums EVERYWHERE, and it's all drippy on Daiseys face. She's just kneeling there, with a shocked look on her face, and Donald says "I'll go get you a towel!"

    I found that funny. Not so much national corruption, bribery, and internet security fraud.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I get the aching feeling its because Netgear likely agreed to some backdoor shit, or to just funnel all user traffic to ICE

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago

    Extortion is one reason.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    This whole situation has made me realize that I need to get back on the OpenWRT train.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Is it because Netgear is a "US" company? Meaning they are on the US stock exchange, have corporate offices in the US, and manufacture everything in Asia?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Did anybody ever confirm if standalone wireless access points are subject to this weird FCC ban thing? Because, like, you can make your own router out of an old computer.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think the FCC ban is really effective anyway. I was able to easily order a foreign-made router recently from the same reseller I've used in the past.

    Also even if they did police the retailers for router sales, I doubt anybody on eBay is going to give a shit so there will be lots of routers for sale there.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The FCC ruling prohibits the sale of new models of consumer router. It doesn't forbid the continuing use of existing routers or, if I understand it right, the continued sale of models that were already on sale. So you can continue to use existing models as WAPs or routers. But when the tech and the security moves on the FCC wants the USA to be left behind.

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    [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    People still read the verge? After the Stefan fiasco I figured no one would ever trust them again.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    It's all in who you know

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    It's called lobbyist, and if you don't like it, better accept it.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Surely a non-AI slop pile of money illustration could have been used instead?

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    [–] 22 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Uh, isn't it pretty obvious that Netgear paid a bribe for this exclusion?

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago*

    Not that Netgear has made anything decent since the 90s, but that tells me it’s a brand to definitely avoid.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I like that dlink dir-300 design on the picture, raminds me good days.

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