The reason is clear: they paid a bribe and are giving the government the ability to back door into the devices to monitor for “patriotism”
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How was it done? Money. Of course it's money. Either direct or indirect bribes "tips" to the FCC and/or their political bosses.
They went through the process. I think it was JayzTwoCents had a video explaining it better. It is just a process for "national secutity" to verify that not back doors or such are installed with concerns about foreign "actors".
I just got an email from NETGEAR about this. (Yes, they insisted on capitalizing every letter of their brand name)
Which was concerning, because I haven't bought a NETGEAR product in well over a decade and a half and am adamant about blocking ads and junk mail. How did I get on a mailing list for their company?
Personally, seeing a message like this immediately tells me they're no longer a brand I can trust. I'm gonna keep using my old routers as long as I can.
Interestingly enough, my ISP forced me to upgrade my modem to theirs last year, claiming that I can't use a commercial modem because none are made that interface with their company's technology. Once I installed their modem, my VPN refused to connect over WiFi to the new modem. And several of my WiFi devices just refused to connect in general, including security cameras around my house.
Thankfully, I have an old WiFi router that I use internally in my network and my VPN still works with that. So I'm basically routing all my Internet traffic through an old router, which is set up as a bridge and physically connected to my new modem. It's the only way I can get reliable, stable, secure Internet in my home. Here's hoping the old router lasts for a very long time.
I had a coworker move into a new house recently and had several WTF moments. The ISP is provided through the HOA, the house is wired for ethernet but a tech had to come out to enable a port, and they are limited in the number of wifi connected devices.
Honestly, the first one would have been enough for me to not buy the house and the second and third ones would make me find a new ISP.
The first part isn't that unusual, and then it leads to the second part being provisioning the CPE (weird to not do it remote, but they probably get some kickbacks from the HOA). And then the last part sounds like user-error/bad business practices (because how's an ISP supposed to limit the number of devices when everything goes through my own router?)
But I agree, that's not very nice and I wouldn't want to live there either.
First winner of the Netgear Peace Prize to be announced shortly.
There's a reason and the reason will likely be revealed to be kickbacks and payoffs.
Or perhaps other reasons...
Sounds like netgear routers are now 100% confirmed to be compromised with backdoors instead of just being probable
Time to flash the old Netgear router with some open source firmware.
Yep, but unfortunately it's not always as straight forward as it may sound. Plus, with routers becoming more difficult to acquire, it'll only get harder and harder to pull off. But there's OpenWRT and dd-WRT that work with a pretty decent range of routers as well as ASUS Merlin for many ASUS routers. Then, if you want to get nerdy with it and build your own router from an old computer, there's OPNsense and pfSense. Eventually it'll come down to these two if the ban is longterm and you want any semblance of obfuscation online...
Yes, OPNsense is excellent if you have a spare computer to run it. Then you can repurpose your consumer router as a WiFi access point. I still feel safer flashing the old WiFi router with open firmware before using it even as a WAP.
GL.iNet are flashable and come with their fork of OpenWRT out of the box. I run the latest regular OpenWRT on mine.
What about regular do you find preferable to than their fork of WRT?
Just that it is FOSS without any black box binary blobs. It is stable and works great so why not.
Edit: I don't have anything against the custom fork.
Edit 2: That it is supported in the mainline OpenWRT means it will be updated with security and features even if the custom fork is abandoned.
I tried getting into the nerdy side. I have an old PC with only one NIC, but apparently it needs two in order to bridge to a WiFi AP? That makes sense, but I don’t have an old PC with two NICs. Also, my NIC doesn’t support as much bandwidth as I have supplied anyhow. Sad times.
Edit: the desktop is old enough that the mobo doesn’t have the slots I need. Effectively, I have to get a new old burner PC. It’s an old ThinkCentre with a dvd player built in.
If it's a desktop PC you can buy a PCIe card with multiple Ethernet ports pretty cheap, especially if you buy used.
Well ya, you need at least two NICs to properly setup a firewall. Additionally, since NICs are the most crucial piece of hardware for routers and firewalls, it'll only be as good as the hardware it runs on. Older NICs lead to regular crashes and/or slow network speeds. So swapping the original NIC out and adding another is VERY typical when repurposing old PCs as a router. The most common options for NICs I've seen are the Intel I350-T2 and I350-T4. Ironically, they cost about as much as a decent router, but going this route actually puts you in control of your home network!
you need at least two NICs to properly setup a firewall.
I'm not sure I'd recommend it, but two (or more) VLANs on a single NIC would work fine too. This setup is usually referred to as "router on a stick"
I'm not sure about other OSes or Linux distros, but it's easy to add multiple VLANs on Debian. You load the 8021q kernel module, then add interfaces suffixed with the VLAN ID (e.g. if your NIC is ens3, you'd add ens3.10 to /etc/network/interfaces for VLAN 10). You'd also need to make sure the switch port is configured to allow VLAN10.
Older NICs lead to regular crashes and/or slow network speeds.
but the ones you're suggesting (I350-T2 and -T4) are 12 years old.
USB network cards are even cheaper than PCIE if you don't mind lower performance (if you don't have USB3 ports you're limited to theoretical 480Mbit)
Great, now I just need everyone else to do this, I can have the greatest most rebust setup imaginable, what am I gonna use it for? To talk to the other two people with similar setups?
I assure you there are multiple people on this thread alone that have this setup. It's not like you somehow can't access the public internet once you've got a homemade router.
Corruption is pretty obvious these days.
It may always have been, its just more obvious than before.
Two possible reasons:
They agreed to installation of American spyware, probably not limited to models sold in the US, or they paid their dues to Trump, and he called the FCC.
Spyware preinstalled. Has to be.
Well netgear has a stellar reputation for screwing up their firmware horribly so if they are involved in implementing the implant it absolutely will be noticed.
Alternatively, if it suddenly starts working, we know they aren't writing it.
Are they better than they were 2 decades ago?
Cause last time I had a netgear router, they screwed up their hardware too.. Fucker got so hot that it literally liquefied its plastic shell.
ah so don't buy a netgear router because the US Government will be listening in/watching. got it.
Do you really think they weren't already?
Right, do we not remember PRISM? Edward Snowden is still living in exile in Russia.
They don't need to tap your router when they already tap the routes.
This tells me Netgear probably bent the knee and kissed the ring.
Gonna be really funny when it's revealed in 5 years that Netgear routers have a backdoor for the Chinese govt and the US okayed it because of the money the Trump admin got.
It's literally the type of corruption that was claimed China would do for the last 4 decades.
......now see, you SAY funny. I think we have a difference of opinions on humor. You know what I find funny? You ever see that old video from the 90s of Donald Duck slumped down in his chair, getting a handjob from Daisey duck? And he can't handle it. He's all like "Ooooooweeeeee!!! Oh my gaaawwwwddddddd!!!! Playin wit ma balls! Playin wit ma balls!!!! Oooooooh!!!!!!"
And then he just cums EVERYWHERE, and it's all drippy on Daiseys face. She's just kneeling there, with a shocked look on her face, and Donald says "I'll go get you a towel!"
I found that funny. Not so much national corruption, bribery, and internet security fraud.
I don't think Netgear has any link to China
I get the aching feeling its because Netgear likely agreed to some backdoor shit, or to just funnel all user traffic to ICE
This whole situation has made me realize that I need to get back on the OpenWRT train.
Is it because Netgear is a "US" company? Meaning they are on the US stock exchange, have corporate offices in the US, and manufacture everything in Asia?
Did anybody ever confirm if standalone wireless access points are subject to this weird FCC ban thing? Because, like, you can make your own router out of an old computer.
I don't think the FCC ban is really effective anyway. I was able to easily order a foreign-made router recently from the same reseller I've used in the past.
Also even if they did police the retailers for router sales, I doubt anybody on eBay is going to give a shit so there will be lots of routers for sale there.
The FCC ruling prohibits the sale of new models of consumer router. It doesn't forbid the continuing use of existing routers or, if I understand it right, the continued sale of models that were already on sale. So you can continue to use existing models as WAPs or routers. But when the tech and the security moves on the FCC wants the USA to be left behind.
I'm curious about standalone WAPs, not existing all-in-ones put into WAP mode. I'm guessing they just don't fall under the "consumer" umbrella even though they are pretty cheap (this netgear is $54 USD on amazon)
Yeah, it's that consumer label that confuses me. Like, I doubt too many businesses are buying $54 USD Netgear WAPs, and their language specifically included SoHo stuff iirc.
People still read the verge? After the Stefan fiasco I figured no one would ever trust them again.
for no obvious reason

Surely a non-AI slop pile of money illustration could have been used instead?
This one even commits the cardinal sin of presenting itself as a transparent image but really just has a checkered background baked in.
What? Its common knowledge that Humpty Dumpty graces the front of the $0000 bill
Maybe, but I went with the first image that gave me an actual image added w so I did not have to upload it anywhere.
Uh, isn't it pretty obvious that Netgear paid a bribe for this exclusion?
Not that Netgear has made anything decent since the 90s, but that tells me it’s a brand to definitely avoid.

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