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Ubuntu Linux raises minimum system memory requirements by 50% — requirements bumped to 6GB of RAM, previously raised from 1GB to 4GB in 2018 (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] 243 points 7 months ago (6 children)

IN THIS ECONOMY????

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  • [–] 61 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Worst timing for sure

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    can no longer say Linux is free

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    • [–] 118 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    They’re raising it because of RAM needs of browsers and GNOME.

    If you’re a shell nerd like me, you’ll still be fine running it on a potato.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    It's an illuminating experience to go to a store with Apple computers with 8GB of RAM on display, and browse to a RAM-heavy unoptimized website like YouTube or even Reddit now.

    Open a few tabs.
    Open a dozen.
    You'd be surprised what a decently coded OS can pull off without compromising on the visuals.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    This is something people who call themselves tech nerds often don't understand, they only seem understand "bigger number better!". I have a vastly more enjoyable experience with a Mac than most Windows machines, (for many reasons, but most importantly for what you said).

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I used to believe this too, and unfortunately my experience on Linux kind of backed this up. I assumed that it would always be features = resource usage. XFCE is light because it's missing things. GNOME is heavy because it has good window management and keyboard shortcuts. Windows 10 is heavy for the same reasons as GNOME.

    The trueism kind of works if nothing else changes, but in this case, there's no reason the codebase between Windows, Linux, and Mac would be the same.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I always thought Gnome 3 was bloated.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    A full potato? Lol, when I was young I had nothing but a french fry, scavenged from a McDonald's bin.

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    • [–] 50 points 7 months ago

    So basically the system requirements of Chrome.

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    [–] 43 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    "HERE'S A NICKLE, KID. GET YOURSELF A BETTER COMPUTER."

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    • [–] 199 points 7 months ago (19 children)

    Please everyone read or at least skim articles before posting. The article literally says, that it's "an honest bump" to allow typical usage like web browsing and multitasking.

    Ubuntu experts at OMG Ubuntu characterize the latest revision in RAM specs as “an honesty bump.” In other words, the core OS isn’t really more demanding on system resources this time around, but Canonical recognizes that with the latest Gnome desktop, modern web browsers, and typical multitasking workflows, users should look at a minimum of 6GB of RAM.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Web browsing is the real murder here.. and i dont want to know how much memory is solely spent on ads

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    The week after GDPR went into effect was amazing. Almost nobody was ready, so they just turned off all their ads and tracking for European IPs while they figured it out. Pages loaded pretty much instantly.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    None if you use a good adblocker, like you should be doing.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I thought ad blockers just blocked ads from showing, not that they stopped them from being downloaded...

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    No, if it's a good blocker it's blocking all requests and connections to wherever the ads are being served from. There's usually ALSO a level of cosmetic filtering for things that get past the blocklist or can't be properly filtered because they're coming from the same server as stuff you actually want to see, but with ublock origin set to strict and noscript set to allow only whitelisted sites, my page load times are way faster. Sometimes a shitty webpage will still 'wait around' for a second to try and get a connection from an ad site but it's not loading anything into memory.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    But that requires actually READING 😖 /j

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    But that's not honest.

    Ubuntu's default browser, and other apps, are snap-based. They take significantly more resourced than their Debian counterparts.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    I'm concerned about in-system bloat because I read the linked article.

    Rather, it’s more of an honesty bump. Components that make up the distro – the GNOME desktop and extensions, modern web browsers (and the sites we load in them) and the kinds of apps we use (and keep running) whilst multitasking are more demanding.

    The desktop itself isn't the only reason that you need more RAM, but it's definitely one of them.

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    • [–] 71 points 7 months ago (30 children)

    Great move in these times where RAM is cheap and widely available

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I mean they didn't go "well, let's just use 2GB more RAM now". They looked at the pre-release, and judged that for a good experience you should have 6GB. Chances are that resource consumption of 25.10 hasn't been very different in practice.

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  • [+] -80 points 7 months ago (21 children)

    If you're strugging to afford an 8GB RAM chip, you may want to reconsider some of your life choices. Even with current market prices.

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  • [–] 69 points 7 months ago (18 children)

    Poverty = life choices is the most reddit I've seen in Lemmy in a long while

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  • [+] -44 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    No doubt the two aren't always connected, but in the US at least, 8gb isnt exactly breaking the average American household's bank. And if it is, yeah I'd argue they're doing something wrong in their decisions. One could mow a few lawns and have enough cash to keep up with the modern requirements of an OS.

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  • [–] 45 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    "No doubt they are always connected but I double down anyway".

    One could mow a few lawns and have enough cash to keep up with the modern requirements of an 0S.

    Now that's not just reddit, thats Fox News levels disconnect with reality.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    The median daily income in the USA is 70$ https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-median-income

    According to T Mobile the average phone bill per month in the USA is 156$.

    https://www.t-mobile.com/dialed-in/wireless/average-phone-bill-per-month

    On newegg you can buy 8TV ram for $15.76 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=RAM+8gb&Submit=ENE&pageTitle=RAM+8gb&Order=1

    So yes, he's fucking right. Most people in the USA can afford 8GB RAM and if they cannot, they should consider looking into their expenditures.

    I'm speaking American since you're quoting Fox News... Because it seems you're so self aware you forgot other countries exist. But that's just you're average Lemmy user "I'm more woke than you" kind of bullshit.

    Fucking hell you people are so tiring. Nobody supports anything going against its own world view. You make me cringe so fucking much.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    I'm quoting Fox because the other mentioned US. Blame them for US centrism, but then please update your incomes and costs to somewhere like Somalia, or even Greece. But that would be too woke or something?

    Even if most people can, that doesn't mean that if you can't is because of bad decisions. That means being homeless is because of bad decisions. That means that those already on debt for medical issues made a bad decision.

    For a lot of people spending those 16 dollars on RAM is the bad decision.

    BTW, median income is absurd. You can have income and still spend on living expenses more than you earn. Now please tell me people needs to move to rural Ohio to maw grass to buy 8 gigs of RAM.

    Edit: somehow I've struck a nerve with people from programing.dev who created the account on the same day, never commented anything and saw my comment within a few minutes of one another. I think I've struck a nerve :)

    https://lemvotes.org/comment/lemmy.world/comment/23020915

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    What a fucking dumb hill to die on when factually proven wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You only prove the price of RAM on the US, while complaining about US centrism.

    I'm not trying to convince you, or disprove you. I'm just letting you show the absurdity of what you say, so that nobody is fooled by you. In that sense, this last message is enough to close this. Thanks.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't want to quote myself. Now piss off with your non argument and your dumb ideas. There's no need to discuss this further. You're only alienating people instead of fucking let it go and recognizing you had no idea what you were talking about. That would make people respect you and your ideas more.

    You're now blocked. Feel free to argue against the wind if you so wishes.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Oh no! Blocked! What a brave resort, only the smartest would think of that!

    If you fell antagonized by somebody not buying your shit, that's your problem. But I guess you're solution is to make a bubble to never have you "factually prove" anything.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Surviving off creditcards and buy now pay later.

    Something tells me you don’t exactly have your finger on the pulse of “average” America.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    It's not the one thing that's gone to hell. rent is on it's way up all over the world, unemployment is way up, food costs are up. Ram, SSD, Gas, Electricity. Over the past year, most things have gotten more expensive. Evevrything has gone up except salaries.

    Transport costs are about to skyrocket. That'll add several more percent on everything.

    From an indie dev standpoint, maybe you're just insulated more than most.

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    • [–] 49 points 7 months ago

    In this economy?

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    [–] 22 points 7 months ago

    Me with 16 GB on my computer

    (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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    [–] 59 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I don't immediately hate it. It's been a while since any laptops/prebuilds shipped with less than 8 GB, and there's distros out there far better suited to running on low power or legacy hardware.

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    • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    That's pretty much what a browser needs these days.

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    • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Fun thing, I just booted up an old computer. Started right up. It had Ubuntu 11.10 on it.

    Now, I obviously didn't connect the thing to the Internet. Updates would have probably failed hard. Not because it's missing over a decade of updates so there might be some complications on that front, but because it's a Pentium III with Definitely Not Even a Gigabyte of memory. (Oh and a Nvidia GeForce 2 MX. I'm pretty sure that's not supported by... any driver any more.)

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    • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Just use Debian

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    or if you can't get that to go (i had some hardware support issues) look to MX Linux or Linux Mint XFCE

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Mint is based on Ubuntu.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    yes but Linux Mint XFCE doesn't use all the heavy weight sytems that mean Ubuntu desktop needs 6 GB ram. for that matter, Xubuntu will, too, but fuck canonical.

    however, as much as i loathe canonical i'm not gonna attract people to more secure from bullshit solutions if i'm net willing to meet them where they are. i'd rather we all be on debian however if even i can't get my laptop to work properly with it, i'm gonna direct some people to mint just to get them a little farther afield.

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    • [+] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Modern UI development is such fucking shit. I have no idea why they went with all of these heavyweight shit frameworks.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Seriously, why do so many simple websites take more than and run worse that so many video games?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I thought part of the point was to have a website work more as an application: one update to a piece of information results in that information being near instantly updated across the site.

    Then I looked into the angular stuff the UI people were working on and yeah.... something like 10 (costly) requests for the same exact fucking JSON. They were talking about doing caching on the frontend to optimize it. What are we even doing?!

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    • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Shocked i got this far without someone blaming snaps

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