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[–] 143 points 7 months ago (11 children)

The actual details are bonkers

According to the Daily Caller, the executive order would require the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to compile a list of verified U.S. citizens in each state who are eligible to vote. DHS would undertake the effort with the Social Security Administration, the Daily Caller wrote, citing a White House fact sheet.

The U.S. Postal Service would then be required under the order to only send mail-in ballots to voters who appear on the list, according to the Daily Caller. Election authorities in each state typically send out mail ballots to voters, not the Postal Service.

Aside from being blatantly illegal, I bet if you dig into this you will find that the contracts have been given to all of Musk's friends, using all the SSA data they stole

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Remember during the 2024 election when Musk literally cried on stage at a Trump rally while he was begging people to vote for Trump because "if Trump loses I will get locked in prison".

    Yeah, Doge annihilating every enforcement and investigation organization in the government makes a lot more sense with that info, right?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Isn’t USPS set to collapse very soon? I was surprised when I got a flyer in the mail they were hiring. I live in a state that ONLY does mail in voting too so I’m double confused/worried about this

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    The USPS financial situation is complicated. It has a legal monopoly on first-class letter delivery, but that is less and less valuable every year as more simple communications move to the Internet. And it is also the only government agency that not only has to fund its own retirement benefits for its employees, but has to plan to put money away now to help cover retirement needs over the next 75 years.

    Take away that retirement funding mandate, which no other agency has, and the USPS is profitable most years.

    Making things worse is that the USPS has its own debt limit, separate from the Federal debt limit, which it is right up against right now.

    So yes, they lose money, but mainly due to constraints set by Congress, that no other agency has.

    Analysis here: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-us-postal-services-fiscal-crisis/

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    My local usps has had a broken front window for about 6 months. It’s covered with plywood with no signs of planned repair.

    The building was broken into about 2 months ago and a number of PO Boxes were severely damaged.

    They want to kill off everything except police enforcement.

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  • [–] 103 points 7 months ago (20 children)

    Bitch, YOU just voted by mail!

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    And his excuse was because work was important. Which is exactly why everyone else wants this.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Kinda makes you just want to beat the ever hating snott out of a fat overgrown adult oompa loompa, doesn't it?

    Now for legal reasons, I'm NOT advocating for violence against the president.

    Buuuuuut, hypothetically, just hypothetically, I imagine the fist to face ratio would deliver a very satisfying crunch on your knuckles, if you WERE to punch a 34x convicted felon. Hypothetically, you'd likely have an orange fist after the sun tan wipes off on your hand. Hypothetically, this unnamed 34x felon with bizarely orange suntan, would likely make a satisfying crumple onto the ground. But it's ok, because this unidentified unnamed hypothetical example is ALSO a pedophile, with pending sexual assault charges pending, involving minors. Hypothetically, this is a man who destroyed childrens innocence, took their childhood from them, and then was forced daily to see their abuser on tv facing no consequences. At times even bragging about their crimes. Hypothetically. So punching this hypothetical monster of a "human" would not only be justified, it would be a god damn patriotic thing to do, to confront someone who raped American children. So hypothetically, if you broke their nose while punching their face, I imagine you would instantly become a national hero and icon.

    ..........guys! I want to punch trump in his stupid face.

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    To be fair, Trump voting at all is super sketchy.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    He’s a felon, but they allow felons to vote in Florida.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    What? Felons should be allowed to vote, they are still citizens ..

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I agree in every case except Donald Trump.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    He led an insurrection against the United States government. To me, that is enough to lose all of your rights.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Incorrect. Felons are by default not allowed to vote in Florida. Only after a long and rarely granted process, hinging around the personal whims of a state panel that rarely grants it, are voting rights restored.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Trump is a Florida resident, and Florida law says that a person convicted in another state can vote in Florida if they are allowed to vote in that other state.

    - https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/can-trump-vote-now-he-has-felony-convictions

    So, we’re both right.

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  • [–] 59 points 7 months ago

    How 'bout them states rights? And small government? Lol

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  • [–] 90 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Trump has told Republicans that they will lose the November midterm elections if they don't pass the bill and crack down on mail-in voting.

    You know, any normal person might take such confidence that they'll lose an election as a sign that maybe they're doing the wrong things.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The notion that any aspect of a presidential election can be regulated through executive orders by the current sitting president would be laughed out of the room in any halfway functional democracy.

    Might as well do away with the charade and call them royal decrees

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago

    Good thing the constitution leaves it the states to conduct elections, not the federal government.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Congratulations! Welcome to... The List

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    It's times like these I'm glad I'm not on Reddit anymore.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah they’d be modded and banned for sure. That’s how I found this place! Here people can express their true opinions. I’m definitely on some lists myself haha. But seriously, it’s an opinion. He’s not actively calling for violence or anyone to actually do it, but I also agree he deserves to have his throat slit. He’s caused much more pain and suffering needlessly upon an innumerable amount of people. Those Epstein files, fucking disgusting. Throat slitting is the least of which he deserves. His crimes are beyond atrocious and treasonous.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I still hold the belief that prion disease (like CJD) is the best way for him to go. It has several advantages over getting his throat slit:

    • Someone with a slit throat will die on the spot. Someone with CJD will experience a slow and painful death over several months as they lose control of their body.
    • Trump no doubt has so much security that someone going for the throat is impossible. Prions can appear for anybody; it doesn't matter how careful you are.
    • Related to the above, Trump would spend his last months doing everything in his power to cure himself of prion disease. But literally nothing would be able to save him.
    • And when Trump dies of prion disease, his brain could be donated to science, so that scientists can research more on how prions work. I'm sure Trump would hate that.
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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Trump no doubt has so much security that someone going for the throat is impossible.

    Unless it's the security who does it...

    when Trump dies of prion disease, his brain could be donated to science, so that scientists can research more on how prions work. I’m sure Trump would hate that.

    Couldn't be donated without his consent, so no.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    What was that about states rights again?

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (10 children)
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    This is why theyre going to try and include wiggle room that it needs to be a certified letter shipped via a private 3rd party in exchange for another golden toilet provided happily by FedEx and UPS.

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  • [+] 1 point 7 months ago* (7 children)
  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    He also wasn’t allowed to run as president after getting a shitload of felony convictions

    There is no legal barrier that prevents a felon from running for President.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    What you say is completely true. But there is actually another law which should have prevented Trump from running in 2024.

    Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, known as the disqualification clause, bars anyone from holding federal or state office—including the presidency—if they previously took an oath to support the U.S. Constitution and then engaged in insurrection, rebellion, or gave aid or comfort to enemies of the U.S..

    Jan 6 2020 was an insurrection by Trump.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, but, technically he was never convicted of any of those things. It sucks, but, it's the way it is.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Being convicted of insurrection is not a requirement. The only reason Trump was not kept off the ballot was because the Supreme Court intervened, and effectively annulled the 14th amendment.

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  • [+] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I believe the law prohibits felons from holding public office , except for the positions of potus and vpotus as the constitution governs those

    This was obviously not what was intended, as it was assumed that a felon, while technically able to run, would never be voted in. How little the founding fathers knew...

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    How little the founding fathers knew…

    In Russia, Navalny was falsely declared the equivalent of a felon by Putin's corrupt judge. Preventing Navalny from running against Putin. Not having any formal requirement for President is absolutely the democratically correct choice. It is just that US voters are idiots.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

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    I recommend using an extension to automatically redirect AMP URLs to their non-AMP counterparts.

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    [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah. That’s not how Executive Orders work.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Hasn't stopped agencies from enforcing or following them, states from following them, or law enforcement from adhering to them.

    He is given the power the other branches of the government and states give him, and they all give him everything.

    Lots of the executive orders have no legal standing, where he has no authority over what they change. Yet here we are.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Republicans will lose so thoroughly in November that any attempt at casting doubt on the results of elections will be laughable, no matter the states propensity to vote Republican. We've already seen areas that went to tRump in 2024 by, like 23pts, go to Democrat candidates by a similar margin. That's a -40pt swing in some tRump country elections. That's not poling. Those are special election results.

    I think the war he started is only going to intensify the swing by then. At least that's the hope-ium I'm snorting off the toilet seat of this current timeline. In actuality, November will be the last hope for this dying republic and how far gone 1/3 of the population appears to be.

    All I know is every reporter that can put questions to tRump need to relentlessly call him out for his mail-in voting, his family's mail-in voting, and reduce any attempt by Faux 'News' to clip positive soundbites, impossible. Drive down into the states rights thought and hit back at Republican voters and candidates with their own arguments. Not to shame or berate them on their past voting choices, but to side with them against any Republican betraying the principles they claim to espouse.

    If we successfully vote in a super majority, we must relentlessly canvass communities and hound our reps to demand a change to the whole first-past-the-post method of voting. A lot of our political frustrations can be abated locally, all the way up to national, with this change! If they refuse to support it in any capacity, run progressive candidates to challenge these measured-opposition Democrats and forcefully remove the do-nothing Schumer's of this rotted party/system. No more capitulation to a party. No more hemming and hawing after they're sworn in. Nothing else can be fixed until we replace the system that's used to pick our elected leaders and we have given them ample opportunities to save this country and the party.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You know, I've heard this twice before, and I'm REALLY hoping you're right about this

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately I still think there is still too much Dem infighting. I expect a big painful loss for Dems this, and maybe even the next, election cycle. Perhaps after that there will be enough focused anger to unseat a Republican president.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Nah, the independents are pissed off and going blue. I expect the dems to gain ground in November but not as much as they should due to voter suppression.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Idk. People write off my neck of the woods, historically very purple, as racist and red af constantly...further driving the independents more and more to the right. It doesn't help that the Dems keep attacking sensible gun ownership.

    Over my life I keep watching many many normal middle of the road people pushed right by the Federal Dems. They either fall in rank with Republicans or just stop engaging with anything outside local elections. It's saddening but I've kinda just accepted it at this point.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    An EO that's worth less, legally, than the paper it's written on. If the states fight it.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Let's stop enabling him with headlines. He didn't "sign an executive order limiting mail-in voting," because executive orders can't legally do that. He attempted to limit mail-in voting with an executive order. Stop granting the premise. If it works, it won't be because of an EO, it'll be because the USPS broke the law. Trump's power requires others to treat it as absolute. We've got to stop agreeing to do so.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    He's signed a lot of EOs that weren't legal, but they take time to go through the courts and be disqualified. He just needs this one to last until arpund November's elections, so he doesnt care if its illegal or not, its just a delay tactic to help the Republicans during this election cycle.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    It's comforting in some ways to see Trump make these desperate moves. It really shows the pressure is taking a toll on him and Republicans know it too.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    His desperation makes me wonder if he'll do a big family annihilator thing before he's removed from power.

    "I won the 2028 election! It was ME! But those Radical Left judges in the SCOTUS said I'm ineligible! Therefore, I'm going to do what I was planning for my next term in only the next few months! Every living thing in Iran will be DEAD before the week is out! Same with the Radical Left cities like Chicago and Los Angeles! No survivors, no prisoners! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago

    Remember everyone, since voting won't magically fix everything that means it's worthless! That's why Republicans are trying so hard to suppress voters. For.... Reasons! /S

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Struck down by a court in 5... 4... 3...

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Mark my words: this will go to SCOTUS just slowly enough that they'll use it as an excuse to decide it after the election, or at least that it'll be "too close" to the election for the ruling to apply.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    If it goes to SCOTUS then there would be a stay issued preventing enforcement until a ruling is made.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    You really think so? This court has had a bad habit of not staying pro-Trump appellate court rulings while it deliberates. I'm not some sort of judiciary wonk so I can't think of that many examples off the top of my head, but one big one is how they let the regime keep collecting Trump's autocratic "emergency" tariffs right up until they released the ruling against them.

    I think that, unless there isn't a single fascist judge in the entire appeal chain and every ruling maintains a stay against the executive order, USPS etc. will proceed as if it's valid until SCOTUS issues a final ruling otherwise and the elections will be fucked.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The ballot drop boxes are not affected and can be used instead.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, but also fuck this noise:

    the executive order would require the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to compile a list of verified U.S. citizens in each state who are eligible to vote.

    And The Orange King just voted by mail himself.

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