Thank you for the links but they're about OnlyOffice, in your other comment you said OpenOffice, that's why I was confused.

Maybe liberation office, or just LibreOffice for short.

As a data consultant, I would say those companies already do question the process, and have done for decades.

Yes there are countless situations where a dedicated system or database could and should replace Excel, but there are just as many scenarios where Excel is ideal, and swapping out a spreadsheet for what would be potentially tens of separate applications across the business, or one absurdly expensive behemoth, to perform tasks that could be done rapidly and clearly in Excel is neither practical nor economically viable for most companies. A spreadsheet is perfect for plenty of situations.

My job is literally to help these companies move to appropriate database solutions, often transitioning away from Excel. But there’s no getting around that a spreadsheet solves (often simple) problems that are impractical with other tools. You can move a company to a supplier’s sector-specific solution and solve huge numbers of issues, but unless that solution exactly meets every aspect of the business requirements, there’s always going to be a fallback and it’s often Excel, for better or worse.

Exactly, spreadsheets themselves are the bottleneck, they worked back in the day but data and analytics have moved well beyond that, but companies refuse to migrate to a modern architecture because the dinosaurs in charge are afraid of change.

exactly this. Spreadsheets are so simple to understand that people think and communicate in spreadsheets. Managers don't understand how much they fucking love them. Its like a cult. They make everybody meet 5 times a week to look at various spreadsheets together. And don't see how ineffective they often are.

"we have a problem? Ok lets make a spreadsheet! Oh, the problem wasn't solved yet? Ok then look at the spreadsheet every week now!"

Yep, single most important difference in my view and the reason I pay an Office subscription.

I know, but capturing business logic in spreadsheets is a different error I didn't want to get into here... You do what you can.

It's one of the friendliest programming languages around. If you have written something in VBA then you'll do fine with Python, except for all the bad/outdated nonsense you'll have picked up from that language. And there's interactive interpreters you can just mess around in.

If this doesn't scare you then give it a look:

things = [4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42]
for number in things:
    print(number * 16)

64
128
240
256
368
672

it was partly made for mathematicians who did not know how to develop software, but also for education. so I guess it's a good starter language. but it allows doing way too much things that will be very confusing when overused

If you are running multiple databases you are already a "tech people"

Sharepoint is not a "database". Many people have made that mistake and it eventually comes back to bite you.

I would recommend learning SQL. It is made to be human readable, and we've been perfecting it since the 1960's.

Python let you run SQL on any file, and standard DB technology with a very small number of lines of code. Recommend reading about Pandas

I like to think of libreoffice calc as a spreadsheet program, it's for running calculations on cells, that's it.

Excel was, but is no longer, just a spreadsheet program. Many things have been smashed into it that could have been better implemented separately, but when you're trying to tie down all office work to your single office suite, a hammer's gotta hammer. So they hammered a lot of those uses into excel to keep office workers tied to it. Admittedly, that does make it easier for office work since you don't need to train employees in multiple programs, you give them excel and teach them functions as they need them.

Not if microslop can do anything about it, you thought regular excel was bad, now checkout the new "AI enhanced" excel

The fact that you can't make real tables renders the software completely unusable. Tables are used in pretty much every spreadsheet.

I appreciate you attempting expansion, I will say it is still difficult when you're asked for specific detail and your response consistently States generalities like:

"lack of support" - meaning what, feature isn't there at all? Doesn't display existing tables from uploaded excel docs?

"has serious issues" - meaning... what are they?

"results in issues" - ...

"...is borked" - c'mon

and "incredibly slow " - relative to what? Double time of expected from excel? Triple? Extra two seconds per attempt?

You're using subjective terms that mean people can't A) determine if you're problem will impact them as well and B) you're not describing your perceived issues well enough to allow experts reading along here, now or in the future, to offer you actual solutions or alternatives.

That considered, it makes you come off as a person who doesn't want their perceived problem solved.

Nextcloud uses GNU AGPLv3 and explicitly doesn't use a CLA: https://github.com/nextcloud/server/blob/master/contribute/HowToApplyALicense.md. They do this to prevent themselves from relicensing it. So they can't suddenly take the code and make it closed source.

Regarding OpenOffice. I used to be a big fan of OpenOffice more than a decade ago, but LibreOffice has become my open source office suite since then.

Apache OpenOffice (AOO) might still work, but there is no significant development (see commits of the last year https://github.com/apache/openoffice/graphs/contributors?from=2025-05-01&to=2026-04-02&type=c). Only one person is committing on a daily/weekly basis, but this person is in their own words not a developer (https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/202#issuecomment-2561915795). Most of the commits are 'cleanup' commits where whitespace or comments are changed https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commits/trunk/.

LibreOffice on the other hand is actively developed. Others who are actually involved explained this better than I can:

• https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/
• https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/10/12/open-letter-to-apache-openoffice/

web mail, calendars, contacts, etc

term for software that support multiple people working on it at the same time, a la google docs or figma