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Microsoft alternative: Nextcloud and Ionos develop open-source ‘Euro-Office’ (www.heise.de)
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Nextcloud, Ionos and other partners are developing an open-source office suite under the project name „Euro-Office“ as an alternative to the market-dominant Microsoft Office.

The two partners are not starting from scratch, but have forked the components of OnlyOffice available as open-source code and want to build on them. In the summer, the software is then intended to replace the previous office component Collabora in Nextcloud and the Ionos Nextcloud Workspace. A ‘technical preview’ is already available on GitHub.

While this is a good news, I think they should move from github, you know microslop copilot..

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[–] 5 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Probably more credibility if you actually give real, specific examples of what you cannot do on Libre Calc that you require?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Oh boy!

    Lack of proper table support.

    FILTER is borked.

    MAP functions and their ilk aren’t there.

    The DBASE functions have serious issues.

    Array formulas sort of work but often results in issues.

    Calculation speed is super slow. I’ve tried converting a pension forecast tool and it just ran so incredibly slowly.

    As someone self hosting my own Nextcloud with Collabora, I can tell you that living with LibreOffice is easy - but living with Libra Calc is impossible. It is not a workable, serious solution.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    The fact that you can't make real tables renders the software completely unusable. Tables are used in pretty much every spreadsheet.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think you might be thinking of databases… Access (barf), not Excel.

    I do think databases and tables are a useful thing but most database systems require over-specifying fields via esoteric “column types” while spreadsheets underspecify them via formatting (and extremely limited formatting at that)

    Some happy medium must exist out there, but I haven’t seen it. Notion and Google Docs (Format /Convert to Table) approach this but don’t quite get there.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    I appreciate you attempting expansion, I will say it is still difficult when you're asked for specific detail and your response consistently States generalities like:

    "lack of support" - meaning what, feature isn't there at all? Doesn't display existing tables from uploaded excel docs?

    "has serious issues" - meaning... what are they?

    "results in issues" - ...

    "...is borked" - c'mon

    and "incredibly slow " - relative to what? Double time of expected from excel? Triple? Extra two seconds per attempt?

    You're using subjective terms that mean people can't A) determine if you're problem will impact them as well and B) you're not describing your perceived issues well enough to allow experts reading along here, now or in the future, to offer you actual solutions or alternatives.

    That considered, it makes you come off as a person who doesn't want their perceived problem solved.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Alternatively, it comes off as a person who has tried this in earnest numerous times and is exhausted by people who assume that they haven't given things a genuine shot.

    And there are few things more grating than a tech person assuming the other person doesn't know what they are doing in earnest just because they were short with you from having already explained it elsewhere, numerous times over time, to the same result of what is, effectively, tone policing. "You didn't phrase this in a technical manner thus I assume you know jack shit." Not far off from sea-lioning really.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    You're bringing a lot of personal momentum to your responses obviously. My point was clear, state specific issues to allow the potential for specific answers. If you're moving in good faith, that's the approach.

    The perspective here is one of someone resistant to change, blaming FOSS as an easier scapegoat. Always simplest to blame the tool over the operator... And often, that "dumbshit, broken printer that won't print!!!" Just wasnt plugged in.

    Your rebuttal is borked.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    With the greatest respect, and trying my very best to not sound like an arrogant jerk, if you need to have Calc’s lacklustre FILTER function, which often just spits out Error 533 into cells and which can’t quite figure out if it wants to be an array formula, further explained then I dare posit that you may not be a heavy spreadsheet user and therefore spending a large amount of time explaining it does rather reverse the burden of proof. For goodness sake, try and do anything serious with FILTER is Calc and you’ll very, very quickly see what I mean.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I was able to duplicate a simple Excel spreadsheet in calc with functions and VBA. I'd love an example of what it can't do.

    Also, jobs that still require advanced usage of Excel with VBA pay well enough to have someone redo it in typescript or JavaScript.

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