"It is not a mild infection, it is not a mild virus; it is a severe illness. And they kept on telling me they wish they'd known beforehand how bad measles was, so that they could have protected their family," she said.

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[–] 307 points 8 months ago (27 children)

You see, the reason you didn't know was because we had eradicated it before you morons decided you were smarter than the entire science and medical community because you watched some youtube videos

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  • [–] 123 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    Algorithmic engagement prioritized this shit over established medical science. Big Tech undermined all the pillars of society. What a fucking mess.

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  • [–] 49 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Capitalism. Capitalism caused this. Big Tech is just a vessel that is used by capitalists to further their agenda.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Big Tech is a force multiplier. It amplifies the scale and scope of the damage. To make an analogy, it's like replacing muskets with machine guns. Capitalism was headed this direction long before tech came along, but with tools like these in their pocket, the scale of the disinformation went from "a serious problem" to "an existential crisis", and the tools we have to resist it are simply incapable of holding the line against the firehose of BS.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    At the end of the day those people chose to believe some random blog over medical journals, university publications, and the advice of doctors. There is no other word for that than stupidity, algorithms or no.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Blaming stupidity itself fails to address those who seek to exploit it.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    No matter the cause or effect, stupidity is the root of the problem. You can't exploit a weakness that doesn't exist.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately, I was reading somewhere recently (I think it might have been a t-shirt?) that, "you can't fix stupid."

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  • [–] 83 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I once had a neighbor tell me they "didn't agree with liberal views on vaccines."

    You know, like germs give a flying fuck about your political views.

    The irony? This person is a nurse.

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  • [–] 62 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I worked in nursing for a while

    I worked with a few excellent people, many average people, and a horrifyingly large number of absolute fucking halfwits

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That's my experience with the medical field as well. It breaks my heart, I used to trust doctors, but after some interesting experiences I am now convinced it's all a minstrel show held together with bailing wire.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I worked in a nursing home during Covid, including when the vaccine came out and it became mandatory for employees. Despite going through school to become nurses or aides, as well as witnessing all the horrors of Covid with their own eyes, some people chose to quit instead of get the vaccine.

    I had no words, and I still have no words.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    we had eradicated it

    Clearly we hadn't.

    We horded the vaccine domestically, patented efficient methods for manufacturer and distribution, and curtailed it's use in states we considered too poor or too evil.

    Some of the highest rates of measles today can be found in Yemen, a country we've been bombing since the early '10s.

    We didn't exterminate the disease. We incubated it. And now we're reaping what we've sown.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    we also curtail other vaccines too, like HPV limited to women MOSTLY unless some how you can convince your doc/insurance to approve it, Meningicoccal menigitis vaccine, we know majority isnt "susceptible" enough to be eligble but still.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    There's also the shingles vaccine, which (at least, in the US) is typically reserved for those 50+. I could understand if they limited the vaccine for those young enough to have been immunized against chicken pox. However, that vaccine wasn't released here until 1995, well after many of us (particularly Millennials and younger Gen X) already caught the disease. This leaves those of us under 50 in a vulnerable gap, where we're susceptible to shingles, but not allowed to be vaccinated against it. Of course it's especially dangerous for older folks, but that doesn't mean shingles won't kick the ass of an otherwise healthy 35 year old.

    I personally fall into this gap, and I'm pretty pissed about it. I know people younger than me who've already experienced shingles, and it's frankly terrifying.

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  • [–] 104 points 8 months ago

    NO SHIT ITS NOT A MILD INFECTION.

    The entire world came together to eradicate a disease that we knew could not only debilitate but kill.

    We spent years to formulate a preventative treatment that allows our bodies to survive infections, but some looneytunes sounding twat decides that vaccines are the devil and now that very same disease has open and unprotected vectors to be spread through.

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  • [–] 81 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

    Antivax parents are the worst kind of stupid - well intentioned stupid. And children are paying the price. Some of those parents even refuse to change their stance because the cognitive dissonance of admitting they were wrong about their beliefs is worse to them than the knowledge that they tortured and possibly killed their and others' children. These people need to be committed.

    Edit, typo

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Happened with a lot of that group during the pandemic. Loved one would die, but they'd still bitch about the vaccine.

    Also, just a heads up if you care. You wrote "partying" when you meant "paying". I'm pretty sure.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    but they’d still bitch about the vaccine.

    My favorite were the ones that refused the vaccine, mocked others for getting "the jab", posted daily on social media how the government was evil for mandating vaccinations (which it wasn't). And then, after they contracted covid and at the 11th hour dying from the infection, they beg for the vaccination (which would be like throwing a cup of water on a wild fire) and cry about the unfairness as they wither away and die.

    Fuck anti-vaxxers

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Idk, fuck anti-vaxxers and all, but watching anyone wither and die as they beg... is pretty fucked up for anyone to see. I do ICU nursing, and the pandemic left me with some ptsd; 10/10 wouldn't recommend

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Thanks, and yeah I remember. One older guy was dying in the hospital because his lungs were practically melting and he was asked if he regretted not getting the vaccine. He replied that not only did he not regret it, but that he'd do the same thing again given the chance. He literally died rather than change his mind. It's the definition of insanity.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's a cult and it is so freaking weird.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Life is tough.

    If you follow me, ill tell you why those other people are worse than you.

    Then we can take their stuff together.

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    It was called the Southern Strategy, then they repeated the pattern ad nauseam.

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  • [–] 77 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Isn't measles considered bad because it's INSANELY contagious? Like covid made immunologisys freak out because the infection rate was over 2? Measles is like 12 or 18.

    Lingers in the air for hours too... Good luck american morons and their neighbours...

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  • [–] 59 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I had measles as a kid, I wasn't vaccinated, i remember it as if it were yesterday, it was so traumatic, i genuinely thought I was going to die, I genuinely felt my mortality, at like 7 or 8yo. the pain was more than I could cope with. My mother was (and still is) an antivaxer. As deranged (and narc) as they come. I got my kids vaccinated. It's ripping my heart out, knowing what these kids are, entirely unnecessarily, being put through.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I don't want to pull on any strings that are too painful or nothing but ... did you tell your mom that you vaccinated your kids? if you did, how did she handle it?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    She's only become very vocal about her beliefs since the covid vaccine propaganda has been going around. I always thought she didn't vaccinate us because she just didn't care. It was rare for her to care about any of our (me and my siblings) physical ailments, or illnesses. And we don't really speak, even when we do talk, there's never any conversations where we talk about things, so I wouldn't have ever spoken to her about getting my babies vaccinated. She's a full blown narcissist, so conversations with my mother look like, her running some spiel about how amazing she is, how much better she is at literally everything, how much of a burden and annoyance everyone in her life is, because they are lazy or some such and make so much work for her, (even though she never lifts a finger to do anything, it's all done by these people for her). And I'm the black sheep, she's hated me the most for as long as I can remember, she diminishes and ridicules everything I say, or outright ignores me, randomly pretends I don't exist and she can't hear anything i say. All that to try to explain, we've never really talked, like ever.

    Partially she hated me the most because from teen years on i always called her out on her shit. Sometimes just by asking simple questions, sometimes by outright stating the ways , what she was saying didn't make sense. Lately I've been calling her out on the covid bullshit, but she makes such idiotic statements, I'm starting to feel like what's the point. She doesn't listen to or consider what I'm saying. I'm feeling like it's a waste of my energy. None of us believe her bullshit. The last time she started on her vaccine rants, it was that "covid vaccine caused all those deaths" spiel. I explained to her, painstakingly, that more people will die without the vaccine. She said that doesn't matter, any deaths are too many. There's nothing rational going on up there.

    I feel like She just likes to rage about something, it doesn't matter what, but it has to be something right wing type. To distract from the massive ego vs reality imbalance, rife inside narcissistic types. Their beliefs don't match reality, about themselves, so they're constantly having to either try and create that fantasy reality by tearing others down, in an attempt to assert the hierarchy, therefore being able to see themselves as better than those they tear shreds off, in some twisted logic, or distracting themselves with some injustice (usually a bourgeois injustice, as they see themselves as the top 1%. Regardless if that matches reality).

    I had a friend who was an antivaxer, too. She wasn't a crazy narcissist, like my mother. She just fell for the propaganda. She was respectful about it, we just didn't talk about it at all. But if we did accidentally come upon the subject in conversation, she still wouldn't say anything. She didn't ever try to convince me, none of that. We drifted apart, busy lives.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Even europeans, asians, will have to be more careful the next tens of years, thanks to some deranged conspiratists in power.

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  • [–] 53 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I fucking wonder why there was such a concerted effort to create a :: checks my notes:: fucking vaccine!!!

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    A society that doesn't know how to pass common knowledge from generation to generation is doomed.

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  • [–] 41 points 8 months ago

    Antivaxxers should love measles because there’s a chance it can completely wipe out your immune system which is like a human factory reset.

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  • [–] 66 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    And they kept on telling me they wish they'd known beforehand how bad measles was, so that they could have protected their family

    We've been trying to tell you, but you stuck your fingers in your ears and insisted you knew better. And once you're over the measles, instead of using this newly-acquired realization to revisit some of your positions, you'll stick your fingers right back in your ears and refuse to listen to us about anything else you're wrong about. So enjoy your measles, and all of the diseases you're going to catch again because measles reset your immune system, and I fucking hope you get shingles.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Sadly, it's not usually those that make the decision not to vaccinate that are infected. It's their children. Most parents have had mandatory vaccination.

    I think that puts an additional degree of ick to the whole thing. You can do your "research" and decide that "the vaccine is worse than the disease it prevents," but don't do so while you are protected, endangering others that you claim to love.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago

    Measles is worse than the actual illness, which bad and kills. It resets the immune system so the immunity that is built up over a lifetime is lost. Definitely don’t get it as an adult.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    At what point should other countries ban travel from the US?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I mean, you can, but the cases in the US were imported from elsewhere: the ones in the Northeast are generally from heavily Orthodox Jews traveling to or from Israel; the cases in the southwest started among the Mennonite community and was imported from Mennonites in Mexico. Unfortunately, vaccine resistance is pretty high among both groups.

    The better way to handle it would be to require that travelers to your country have been vaccinated, and that refugees and asylum seekers are kept in quarantine and given vaccinations before they're paroled to the general public. There'll still be people who slip through the cracks - immigrants who manage to avoid processing, people traveling on small boats or small planes, etc - but it would be a start. Unfortunately, I don't know how well that plays with all the various "free travel" rules.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Since 2021 (when Covid19 vaccines were rolled out in the "Western" world and normal life gradually returned). Maybe already earlier, but travel was restricted anyhow.

    Good reasons have only been mounting since then.

    Add travel advisory warnings for people going there.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Translation: " boy, are we STUPID"

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago*

    not just stupid but dangerous to the immunocompromised who can't get vaccinated.

    I'm starting to think Cipolla was right

    These are Cipolla's five fundamental laws of stupidity:

    1. Always and inevitably, everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.

    2. The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.

    3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.

    4. Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular, non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places, and under any circumstances, to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.

    5. A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    If only there was some way to protect yourself. /s

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    I had measles as a kid in the 80s, either before I was old enough for the vax or a breakthrough case, unclear which as idk the recommended schedules from the 80s. I was in the hospital for weeks. I take vaccination very seriously, get every single one I can, and was quite pleased to have gotten all my childhood vaccinations a second time as an adult, just to be absolutely sure (my records went missing and it was required for my job).

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    RFK Jr. and all the antivaxxers need a Nuremberg-style trial...

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    "Most people survive measles, though in some cases, complications may occur. About 1 in 4 individuals will be hospitalized and 1–2 in 1,000 will die. Complications are more likely in children under age 5, adults over age 20, and pregnant people.Pneumonia is the most common and accounts for 56–86% of measles-related deaths.

    “Possible consequences of measles virus infection include laryngotracheobronchitis, sensorineural hearing loss, and—in about 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 300,000 cases—panencephalitis, which is usually fatal. Acute measles encephalitis is another serious risk of measles virus infection. It typically occurs two days to one week after the measles rash breaks out and begins with very high fever, severe headache, convulsions and altered mentation. A person with measles encephalitis may become comatose, and death or brain injury may occur.

    “For people having had measles, it is rare to ever have a symptomatic reinfection.

    “The measles virus can deplete previously acquired immune memory by killing cells that make antibodies, and thus weakens the immune system, which can cause deaths from other diseases. Suppression of the immune system by measles lasts about two years and has been epidemiologically implicated in up to 90% of childhood deaths in third world countries, and historically may have caused rather more deaths in the United States, the UK and Denmark than were directly caused by measles. Although the measles vaccine contains an attenuated strain, it does not deplete immune memory.”

    —Wikipedia

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    For the parents. I feel bad for the kids.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Mormons believe that their children are pre-selected in the pre-earth life, so the children chose to come to that family in their theology.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I have to agree here. Those bairns didn't ask to run the risk of lifelong complications like blindness, deafness, brain damage, loss of motor control of a body part, lung damage, immune system damage and a whole slew of others I needn't list to labour a point.

    The parents should be no longer so, but condemning those kids to yet more abuse at the hands of the system strikes me as nothing short of sadistic.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    Darwin fish > Jesus fish again.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Erases your fucking immune system essentially and can leaf to a brain infection that kills. Go read about Roald Dahl's daughter. Bad guy, but a horrible fate for that innocent girl.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Roald dahl wasn't a good guy? I always loved his books as a kid. I even had a lot of sympathy for him after reading the partial biography about his experiences in boarding school.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    I loved the stories too for the most part. But we grow and there's some real shit to be reckoned with...

    • He cheated on his wife, had a years-long affair that would eventually end their marriage with a friend of hers.

    • He was an admitted anti-Semite. In 1983, he announced in the New Statesman that Hitler had his reasons for exterminating six million men, women and children. "There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity," he said. "I mean, there's always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker like Hitler didn't just pick on them for no reason." In the August 1983 edition of the British periodical Literary Review, Dahl wrote, in reference to Jewish people, “Never before in the history of man has a race of people switched so rapidly from being much-pitied victims to barbarous murderers.” He made reference to “those powerful American Jewish bankers” and asserted that the United States government was “utterly dominated by the great Jewish financial institutions over there.” A few months before his death in 1990, Dahl stated outright that he was anti-Semitic in an interview with The Independent.

    • The British Royal Mint officially decided against issuing a commemorative coin to mark the 100th anniversary of his birth, noting that Dahl was "associated with anti-Semitism and not regarded as an author of the highest reputation"

    • After his death, the Dahl family issued a public apology for the hurt caused by his anti-Semitic statements. Dahl’s family “apologized unreservedly for the hurt and suffering" caused by Dahl and said, "Those prejudiced statements are in marked contrast to the values of kindness and inclusivity at the heart of Roald Dahl’s stories.”

    • Dahl’s children’s books aren’t considered notably anti-Semitic. However, his publishers—especially longtime editor Stephen Roxburgh—are credited with cutting racist and misogynistic content from some of his most famous stories, including The Witches, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and The BFG. For example, Dahl’s original portrayal of the Oompa-Loompas depicted them as African pygmies that Willy Wonka shipped to England “in large packing cases with holes in them,” Wonka explains that he found the Oompa-Loompas ‘in the very deepest and darkest part of the African jungle where no white man had ever been before.’ They were near starvation, living on vile caterpillars, so Wonka smuggled them to England for their own good,” The NAACP began protesting this depiction of the Oompa-Loompas, Dahl was apparently reluctant to rewrite the characters. But he did eventually revise the book, reimagining the Oompa-Loompas as “long-haired, rosy-cheeked, and white, hailing from the island of Loompaland.”

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    Recent exposures have been linked to large school events in January and February — including state wrestling championships at Utah Valley University, which resulted in multiple people being diagnosed with the illness.

    Three new cases confirmed in eastern Utah were also connected to a high school wrestling tournament last month, the Tri-County Health Department in Vernal announced Thursday.

    What I find baffling is that they aren't banning wrestling.

    Wrestling is obviously the issue here, not vaccines.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I thought the same thing when reading that. The way people like anti-vaxxers connect unrelated dots to the point of absurdity, seeing two wrestling events cause outbreaks is probably raising somebody's eyebrow.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Well, we had politicians doing covid parties, dumb christians doing retreats, fucking foolish rejects crying that they were told to stay home for two weeks because it was just so important that they can make the run to their local hardware store to pick up the 5 gallon bucket to fill with their carbonated and sugary beverages...

    When people can override basic logic about avoiding contagion because it 'owns the libs,' then it's definitely going to be overridden when it's something that 'means something' in their life, such as a kid's competitions.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Had to take my toddler to the ER last Sunday to rule out a TBI (stumbled into the wall, was fine but then vomited later; no TBI, but did have several days of a stomach bug!), and there are signs up in the hospital to watch for symptoms of measles. Both of my kids are on schedule with all vaccines, all the same I was wondering if we really needed to be there 😬

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    we had an unusual virus going around like a few weeks ago, it dint fit flu or cold, no coughing, just some nausea some headache slight fever and runny nose, i suspect it was rsv we all got at work. it did not fit symptoms of covid.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I thought chiropractors and ivermectin were a miracle cure. Whattup with that, MAGAs? You lot shouldn't be sick, yeah?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    They're clearly invulnerable / invincible. They'll live forever, just like the pieces of shit in USA government.

    My father almost died from polio as a kid. I care a lot about vaccines. I hope all these people die before they can do further harm to the rest of us. There will be no such luck.

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    It was the fuck aroundest of times It was the find outest of times

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