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[–] 137 points 8 months ago (13 children)

My evangelical aunt is extremely excited that there are signs the world might end. She's a huge Trump supporter and a big part of her support seems to stem from his Antichrist qualities. He is going to end the world with war so he is carrying out God's plan.

The whole thing is idiotic. If she wants to commit suicide, she should just do it herself. No need to take everyone else along with her.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    What making suicide a mortal sin does to a mf

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    They had to do that because it's a death cult. A Christian's goal is to die and go to heaven as quickly as possible, so if they let them commit suicide, then that's the fastest way to heaven.

    And then, of course, murder is a sin, or else the best thing a Christian could do is blow up a Christian church while it's full of worshipers.

    Actually, since murder can be forgiven, you'd think Christians would be killing each other left and right, just to help the other guy get into heaven faster without them committing suicide.

    Even if murder couldn't be forgiven, you'd think a Christian parent would want to kill their children right after they were baptized. Guaranteed ticket into heaven for the kids. Best thing for them. What loving parent wouldn't sacrifice their soul for their children's souls?

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's almost like it's a bunch of made up nonsense.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    You're not wrong. And they keep making up crazier and crazier nonsense.

    I remember when Operation Desert Storm was supposed to bring about Armageddon. And then it was W's war in Iraq. And now it's the war in Iran.

    Every time they move the goalposts, they also increase the stakes. It's terrifying.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Joining the hordes of followers of the beast of the sea because you think that the end of the world is awesome. I suppose there's a theoretical nobility of choosing hell so others can go to heaven, but this ain't it chief.

    Back when I was Christian I was so confused by these doom cultists. Like, the religion teaches that the gates of heaven are open. It's not like the saints are waiting in sheol. There's no benefit to the end of the world happening sooner from a theological perspective, and you aren't supposed to know when it's coming

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    This is a really common belief, and they have never been closer to making it happen. The Christianity Death Cult has aligned with the MAGA Death Cult which wants to reduce the population to 100 million people. Together they will happily kill millions of us for their own sick agendas.

    We have to stop them, obviously, but when it's over, we have to deal with both of those situations. MAGA will have to crushed, purged from government and society, prohibited from existing, and their leaders punished harshly for their crimes.

    Religion is a bigger problem, but the solution starts by ending any special privileges that churches get, and treating them like the businesses they are, including taxing them heavily, and regulating their activities.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Taxing churches just for being churches would be counter-productive. What needs to happen is the current set of rules regulating what counts as a church and what doesn't needs to be tightened and enforced. There are tons of shit people running churches as their own personal profit machines and those need shut down. The Methodist churches built in every town in America, for example, are only barely hanging on by a thread and bring more good to their neighborhood than they do harm; their loss would be tragic.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    We should do all that, but make no mistake, I'm not taxing churches because they're churches, I'm taxing them because they are businesses, and most of them are actually money laundering operations disguised as churches.

    So yeah, investigate which are real, and which are scams, but tax them ALL.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    This point of view seems to be what a lot of evangelicals fall back on whenever you somehow manage to score any points against their orange god.

    I've heard several of them admit that, "Oh well, the world world is awful, and it's fine if it ends." Who gives them the right to make that decision for the rest of us?

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  • [–] 73 points 8 months ago

    that's the beauty with religion... you can interpret it at your convenience

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Too bad he already got left behind. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago

    evangelical christian in beijing...

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  • [–] 61 points 8 months ago (40 children)

    God's plan, not likely, but a Chinese plan definitely.

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  • [+] 32 points 8 months ago* (16 children)
  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (15 children)

    The USA cannot be allowed to fall, not to Trump or any other despot, because even in its current state: China and Russia are worse and will leap, claws out, at any opportunity created by the fall of the USA.

    Just like Iran, the best outcome is that it must simply change.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

    Just like Iran, the best outcome is that it must simply change.

    The US and Israel MUST be allowed to bomb every school and hospital they want FOR THE GREATER GOOD

    Or perhaps the fascist imperial ambitions of the US and Israel are bad, actually

    Edit: to the people downvoting, the US and Israel have already bombed multiple hospitals and schools in Iran. They are using the exact same type of Dahiya doctrine, also known as the deliberate mass targeting and destruction of civilian architecture, as they did in Gaza.

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  • [+] -16 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    If the precision airstrike bombs that hit the elementary school turned out to be Iranian it wouldn't surprise me at all. Trump is only in power now because of Russian and Chinese election interference in the USA.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    That didn't happen.

    And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

    And if it was, that's not a big deal.

    And if it is, that's not my fault. <- you are here

    And if it was, I didn't mean it.

    And if I did, you deserved it.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    No, I do think it's the USA's fault

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    So your solution is what? Have another hostile (and worse) world power conquer them? Eradicate them, maybe? What?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    at this point, the USA is just as bad as any of the rest so I don't buy your position even if it were inevitable which it is not.

    The USA will implode, if not through war, at least economically and then, most likely, the EU would be the next in line

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    So your plan is to complain for the next 20 years, then bend over and wait for China to fuck you?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    If the precision airstrike bombs that hit the elementary school turned out to be Iranian it wouldn't surprise me at all.

    If you fell for that bs here, I bet you fell for that same bs when they did the same in Gaza.

    Trump is only in power now because of Russian and Chinese election interference in the USA.

    Trump won because Biden/Harris ran such a profoundly bad campaign that they lost votes to the couch. So bad that they're either staggeringly incompetent or deliberately fumbled.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Given that in the 80s and 90s it was well known that Trump had ties to the Russian mafia, it may not be a Chinese plan, or at least not a 100% Chinese plan. It might be a coalition of China and Russia working to destroy America and American politicians being bribed into going along with it.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    No one factor was the singular deciding one, no, but in the context of a brainwashed Chinese dad its the most topical one.

    The entirety of TikTok is a psyop and it led to the biggest shift right amongst youth ever recorded.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    If the Chinese are behind this, which I think is reasonably likely, they've played it beautifully. Their hands look pretty clean while they manipulate Putin to run all their campaigns through Russia.

    And the only real evidence we have is that nearly everything that happens benefits China.

    • Huge damage to America's soft power
    • Damage to America's military
    • Reduced power of the dollar
    • Weakening of NATO
    • Destruction of the US green energy production, especially EVs.
    • US operational security is the weakest it has ever been
    • Loss of moral authority to contest imperialism, such as Hong Kong and Taiwan
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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That's a list of benefits that benefits every other country that isn't the USA. Other than arguably the weakening of NATO, but other than that I would say that's not really the "evidence" you think it is.

    I think it's way more likely Trump is just a really shitty president with a highly incompetent cabinet and various other appointees. I mean he's also in bed with Russia but that's just on top of him being really bad at the job.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    There is a lot of evidence of Chinese exerting their influence in the USA. They directly and openly supported Trump via TikTok, they frequently run social media psyops and botnets (with zero subtlety, too), and they frequently are the source of cyberattacks on US industries and outlets.

    There is also a lot of evidence of their involvement directly with Iran and indirectly with Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel.

    It's not clever or beautiful, it's a bunch of dumb assholes having a proxy war and fucking things up for everyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    There is a lot of evidence of Chinese exerting their influence in the USA. They directly and openly supported Trump via TikTok, they frequently run social media psyops and botnets (with zero subtlety, too), and they frequently are the source of cyberattacks on US industries and outlets.

    And this is different from the USA peddling and forcing their stuff down everybody's throat because?

    I should also point out that none of that "influence" would have been effective if the USA had a working government that did do everything possible to keep its own people poor, sick and uneducated

    There is also a lot of evidence of their involvement directly with Iran and indirectly with Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel.

    Oh I see... of course, these are countries where the USA has never had any influence in... Now that I think of it, the USA rarely influences any foreign country

    It’s not clever or beautiful, it’s a bunch of dumb assholes having a proxy war and fucking things up for everyone.

    You mean the USA right?

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago* (11 children)

    Yes clearly microsoft selling you a software license is equivalent to you compromising millions of routers and using them as a botnet for taking various services down.

    You've opened my eyes. The USA is a great Satan. /s

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

    LOL like the USA has not been directly responsible for the destruction of democratically elected governments all over the world and the instigator or catalyst of every war the world have seen since WWII

    isn't your tongue dry from all the boot licking?

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Which boot are you insinuating I am licking? You're the one defending a Dictator's open hostility when we were in times of peace. You're the one trying to legitimize the Trump admin.

    Perhaps you might be projecting? A lot?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (8 children)

    Which boot are you insinuating I am licking?

    The USA's so in today's world it would be the Orange Pedophile's boot

    You’re the one defending a Dictator’s open hostility when we were in times of peace.

    I have not, that is all part of your weak strawman

    You’re the one trying to legitimize the Trump admin.

    Ok, you are either confusing the many people you are trying to troll or you have having a stroke

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Me saying China is worse is not the same as saying USA is good. Thats the problem with you fucking Tankies, you know your side is shit but you've somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (6 children)

    "mY sIdE, yOur SidE"… are you 12 years old?

    but you've somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side.

    you mean like when you say the USA must win no matter the cost? yes, that was particularly stupid of you

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Thats literally what I said to you

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    yes, and then go around complaining that "us tankies" (not sure who you are even talking about) "somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side"

    You can't even keep what you think is good or bad straight in this conversation

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It almost feels like you've forgotten the conversation so far, that I would need to reiterate "USA has to change not collapse because its collapse would create an even worse situation with Russia and China". That's why you come off as a fuckin Tankie, because you want what China wants.

    Reviewing your comment history, you've been critical of China in the past, so I guess you're the shortsighted anarchist.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's clear your reading comprehension is low... I have never said I want anything to do with China and I have repeatedly said I do not buy your premise that should the USA diminish, the world would find itself under China's or Russia's thumb

    I have not bought into your low level strawman (that means I do not believe your premise!)... and all attempts from you to keep putting my position as a China loving person are laughable (I guess to anyone but you since it seems to escape you over and over)

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    that checks if you replace god with Putin

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    [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    That makes more sense than whatever the fuck is going on right now.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    That makes so much more sense than the way evangelicals here attribute the mandate.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    trump might believe this as well

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The elites don't actually believe the religion talk, that's just one of their main vote-taking methods

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Check your Book of Revelations for interesting news about a charismatic leader who survives a terrible head-wound, marks his followers foreheads. There's also some stuff about an alliance with Israel...

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Remember "The man who saw tomorrow"?

    They specifically foreshadowed a purple turban, but I think a red hat is close enough.

    Google summary:

    The Third Antichrist: The film highlights a prophecy about a "King of Terror" wearing a blue turban, often associated with a Middle Eastern tyrant, destined to rise to power and cause global devastation. Context: The documentary interprets Nostradamus's quatrains, suggesting they predicted events like the rise of Napoleon and Hitler, with the final act focusing on this future warlord.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    ...............why is this post showing up twice in a row on my feed?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Broke: the Apocalypse is coming

    Woke: the Apocalypse has come and gone and come and gone numerous times and in each occurrence replaced our comfortingly benign world with something new and terrifyingly incomprehensible. The crystal temples of revelation have been both built and felled and will be built again, and the many marks of the beast have worked their way into our lives bit by bit as ID numbers and credit cards and smartphones and so neatly that few people will object when he comes time to implant them. The only certainty is that each successive apocalypse and the world that comes after will be be unthinkably more bizarre than the last.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    All of the (pre-election) Trump supporters I know also hate the US and want it destroyed. They've only changed their mind on being Trump supporters.

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