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Might have been right (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works
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[–] 61 points 8 months ago (40 children)

God's plan, not likely, but a Chinese plan definitely.

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  • [+] 32 points 8 months ago* (16 children)
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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (15 children)

    The USA cannot be allowed to fall, not to Trump or any other despot, because even in its current state: China and Russia are worse and will leap, claws out, at any opportunity created by the fall of the USA.

    Just like Iran, the best outcome is that it must simply change.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

    Just like Iran, the best outcome is that it must simply change.

    The US and Israel MUST be allowed to bomb every school and hospital they want FOR THE GREATER GOOD

    Or perhaps the fascist imperial ambitions of the US and Israel are bad, actually

    Edit: to the people downvoting, the US and Israel have already bombed multiple hospitals and schools in Iran. They are using the exact same type of Dahiya doctrine, also known as the deliberate mass targeting and destruction of civilian architecture, as they did in Gaza.

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  • [+] -16 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    If the precision airstrike bombs that hit the elementary school turned out to be Iranian it wouldn't surprise me at all. Trump is only in power now because of Russian and Chinese election interference in the USA.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    That didn't happen.

    And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

    And if it was, that's not a big deal.

    And if it is, that's not my fault. <- you are here

    And if it was, I didn't mean it.

    And if I did, you deserved it.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    ditto

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    No, I do think it's the USA's fault

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    So your solution is what? Have another hostile (and worse) world power conquer them? Eradicate them, maybe? What?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Solution for what?

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    The USA.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    at this point, the USA is just as bad as any of the rest so I don't buy your position even if it were inevitable which it is not.

    The USA will implode, if not through war, at least economically and then, most likely, the EU would be the next in line

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    So your plan is to complain for the next 20 years, then bend over and wait for China to fuck you?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    If the precision airstrike bombs that hit the elementary school turned out to be Iranian it wouldn't surprise me at all.

    If you fell for that bs here, I bet you fell for that same bs when they did the same in Gaza.

    Trump is only in power now because of Russian and Chinese election interference in the USA.

    Trump won because Biden/Harris ran such a profoundly bad campaign that they lost votes to the couch. So bad that they're either staggeringly incompetent or deliberately fumbled.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Given that in the 80s and 90s it was well known that Trump had ties to the Russian mafia, it may not be a Chinese plan, or at least not a 100% Chinese plan. It might be a coalition of China and Russia working to destroy America and American politicians being bribed into going along with it.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    No one factor was the singular deciding one, no, but in the context of a brainwashed Chinese dad its the most topical one.

    The entirety of TikTok is a psyop and it led to the biggest shift right amongst youth ever recorded.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    If the Chinese are behind this, which I think is reasonably likely, they've played it beautifully. Their hands look pretty clean while they manipulate Putin to run all their campaigns through Russia.

    And the only real evidence we have is that nearly everything that happens benefits China.

    • Huge damage to America's soft power
    • Damage to America's military
    • Reduced power of the dollar
    • Weakening of NATO
    • Destruction of the US green energy production, especially EVs.
    • US operational security is the weakest it has ever been
    • Loss of moral authority to contest imperialism, such as Hong Kong and Taiwan
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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That's a list of benefits that benefits every other country that isn't the USA. Other than arguably the weakening of NATO, but other than that I would say that's not really the "evidence" you think it is.

    I think it's way more likely Trump is just a really shitty president with a highly incompetent cabinet and various other appointees. I mean he's also in bed with Russia but that's just on top of him being really bad at the job.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    There is a lot of evidence of Chinese exerting their influence in the USA. They directly and openly supported Trump via TikTok, they frequently run social media psyops and botnets (with zero subtlety, too), and they frequently are the source of cyberattacks on US industries and outlets.

    There is also a lot of evidence of their involvement directly with Iran and indirectly with Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel.

    It's not clever or beautiful, it's a bunch of dumb assholes having a proxy war and fucking things up for everyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    There is a lot of evidence of Chinese exerting their influence in the USA. They directly and openly supported Trump via TikTok, they frequently run social media psyops and botnets (with zero subtlety, too), and they frequently are the source of cyberattacks on US industries and outlets.

    And this is different from the USA peddling and forcing their stuff down everybody's throat because?

    I should also point out that none of that "influence" would have been effective if the USA had a working government that did do everything possible to keep its own people poor, sick and uneducated

    There is also a lot of evidence of their involvement directly with Iran and indirectly with Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel.

    Oh I see... of course, these are countries where the USA has never had any influence in... Now that I think of it, the USA rarely influences any foreign country

    It’s not clever or beautiful, it’s a bunch of dumb assholes having a proxy war and fucking things up for everyone.

    You mean the USA right?

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago* (11 children)

    Yes clearly microsoft selling you a software license is equivalent to you compromising millions of routers and using them as a botnet for taking various services down.

    You've opened my eyes. The USA is a great Satan. /s

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

    LOL like the USA has not been directly responsible for the destruction of democratically elected governments all over the world and the instigator or catalyst of every war the world have seen since WWII

    isn't your tongue dry from all the boot licking?

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Which boot are you insinuating I am licking? You're the one defending a Dictator's open hostility when we were in times of peace. You're the one trying to legitimize the Trump admin.

    Perhaps you might be projecting? A lot?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (8 children)

    Which boot are you insinuating I am licking?

    The USA's so in today's world it would be the Orange Pedophile's boot

    You’re the one defending a Dictator’s open hostility when we were in times of peace.

    I have not, that is all part of your weak strawman

    You’re the one trying to legitimize the Trump admin.

    Ok, you are either confusing the many people you are trying to troll or you have having a stroke

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Me saying China is worse is not the same as saying USA is good. Thats the problem with you fucking Tankies, you know your side is shit but you've somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (6 children)

    "mY sIdE, yOur SidE"… are you 12 years old?

    but you've somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side.

    you mean like when you say the USA must win no matter the cost? yes, that was particularly stupid of you

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Thats literally what I said to you

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    yes, and then go around complaining that "us tankies" (not sure who you are even talking about) "somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side"

    You can't even keep what you think is good or bad straight in this conversation

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It almost feels like you've forgotten the conversation so far, that I would need to reiterate "USA has to change not collapse because its collapse would create an even worse situation with Russia and China". That's why you come off as a fuckin Tankie, because you want what China wants.

    Reviewing your comment history, you've been critical of China in the past, so I guess you're the shortsighted anarchist.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's clear your reading comprehension is low... I have never said I want anything to do with China and I have repeatedly said I do not buy your premise that should the USA diminish, the world would find itself under China's or Russia's thumb

    I have not bought into your low level strawman (that means I do not believe your premise!)... and all attempts from you to keep putting my position as a China loving person are laughable (I guess to anyone but you since it seems to escape you over and over)

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