I cook at home because of restaurant prices and tip culture. Driving everywhere sucks. Everything feels miles away so good luck walking.

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[–] 74 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What do you enjoy doing that’s not work and not “adulting”?

Find a hobby. Then find a group that shares that hobby. Clean up a park day, maybe.

Or find a charity or nonprofit that needs volunteers.

The local library probably has things going on, too.

Find a third space whether it’s the magic the gsthering shop and shop tournies or church or a knitting circle ran by the local yarn shop.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Museums too. There are a decent number that have “adults night” now.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    That's a great suggestion! They also tend to host specific exhibits and events that give good opportunities to meet people with similar interests.

    Plus they're just fun. One in a small city by me has an exhibit on local glass manufacturing techniques from the previous turn of the century and how some were invented locally, comparing them to ceramic techniques from across the globe and time. Absolutely fascinating stuff.

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  • [–] 50 points 8 months ago (27 children)

    Work and shared hobbies. I recently went to buy some hardwood from a work colleague. We don’t even work the same shift but they’re fond of asking what I’m building or showing me what they’re building because who else are they going to talk to about their hobby (I imagine).

    We’re not friends, but there’s this hobby. I get there and it’s not a mere business transaction nor do we talk work. It almost had a kid feel to it. Like when you crossed the hedge to the yard of the kid next door and he welcomes you because it’s more fun if you can show off and share your toys. Only as adults. Kudos on reclaiming a small piece of that.

    Adulthood is such a roadblock sometimes.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (26 children)

    Being an adult is hard, in so many different ways.

    I miss kindergarten.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (23 children)

    I love being an adult. It's amazing.

    I absolutely hated Kindergarten. Being subjected to the whims of clueless adults is miserable.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    Being subjected to the whims of clueless adults is miserable.

    Sounds exactly like adult life with a job when you phrase it that way.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago* (17 children)

    as an adult you can choose a job where you don't have to do that. I have one boss and he's competent.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    That is not a choice that everyone can make.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    yeah it is. nobody is forcing you to work a crappy job you don't like, other than yourself.

    lots of people choose that life, and pretend like they don't have any other choice. and settle into a life of bitterness and anger and usually a toxic coping mechanism that deprives them of what little disposable income they do have. like alcohol, gambling, or similar.

    if you want to improve your life you have to give up the coping mechanisms, save your money, and invest in yourself. but that is hard and most would rather daydream about a big magic pile of money falling from the sky.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Many people live in towns with fewer than five companies, with poor internet access. Many people have to keep odd schedules because of family care obligations. Many people are functionally illiterate. Many people have criminal convictions. There are a lot of things that can limit your ability to leave a job you already have.

    Many people do accept work conditions worse than they have to, but not every worker is flexible enough to choose their work.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    Then they have to move. They have to learn to read. They have to change their circumstances. Nobody is going to change it for them.

    I grew up in a small crappy town. I decided from a young age I would leave my community. It sucked. I hated my life there. It was a great motivation to get out, succeed, and never come back. I watched several of my friends make difference choices and move home even if they left and never leave and repeat the same miserable lives their parents lead.

    It's a choice. You can make excuses for yourself your entire life, or you can make choices to change your life.

    I felt trapped too when I was in that town. But I knew nobody was ever going to save me. but I could save myself, so that's what I did. And yes, i got punished by parents, my friends, by my former teachers, for being 'arrogant' and 'a douchebag' for wanting to improve my life and not settle for their miserable existences.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    I’m glad for you. It sounds like you were smart or skilled enough to be presented with opportunities to leave and had the foresight to take them and the dedication to fully benefit from them. Not everyone is or has those qualities and that’s not a moral failing.

    You overcame difficult circumstances, but that’s due to you being an exception, and whether that’s because of qualities inherent to you or luck is impossible to determine. The idea of it being luck is scary, but that doesn’t mean that everyone who doesn’t behave exactly as you did is to blame for their circumstances.

    Surely you know people from your hometown who earnestly tried, but were just too dumb to really keep up in school or with complicated conversations among friends. Do you think they would be able to achieve what you have? What about the smart kids with severe ADHD who were flaky due to no fault of their own? If so, what use is your intelligence or dedication?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I was not gifted with anything dude. I made choices. I didn't party, I studied. I didn't do drugs, I did clubs to pad my resume. I ignored all the shitty advice and pressure from my family and friends to be a losers like they were. I endured physical and verbal abuse for years because of my choices. But I never gave up. After college I focused on paying down by debts, getting into graduate school and working. I didn't spend years screwing around trying to 'find myself' buy going into massive debt traveling and partying, like so many of my peers did.

    No, I knew lots of people who are miserable assholes who blame everyone else for their shitty choices. Just like my parents did, just like their parents did. Nobody forced them to drive drunk, to work shitty jobs, to fail out of school. They chose that. Once I got out of school I never went back to that shitty town and my parents died anyways so I never had to.

    Everyone is smart and capable. Everyone has opportunities. Some people decide to piss them away and mock and deride people who made better choices. Nobody is dumb or flaky, they are just lazy and unwilling to put in the work. Sounds like you are talking about yourself? Blaming your 'bad luck' and using that as an excuse to never improve your life?

    The thing you are missing is that rich people get bailed out of their shitty choices. They aren't lucky, they are just rich. They can fuck up school, go into massive debt, and they get bailed out by their parents. Poor people don't get bailed out, so you have to be on the straight and narrow. I know lots of people like me, often they were immigrant kids who did the same thing because they also knew their only way out was working their asses off and they had no luxury to party or be lazy or relax. If you are poor and you choose to make bad choices, nobody is going to save you. Life isn't fair, but the only person who is in charge of your life is yourself.

    Go achieve your desires. Nobody is stopping you but yourself. if you want to sit around and whine about how ADHD ruined your life... then that is going to be your life... forever. Just sitting around whining and blaming and being bitter and jealous other people made better choices than you did.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Swing and a miss. I decided to leave my home country because it’s broken, so after a decade of working and saving my own money, I did what I want to do. I went to a state school that gave me a full ride instead of a private school that I’d have to take loans out for, so I didn’t have any student loans holding me back and I could go back to school and get a masters in my new country. I actually just started teaching full time after training for the last couple of years.

    I just have the empathy (and vicarious experience) to understand that not everyone is as fortunate as I am. It took a lot of hard work and diligence, but also a lot of luck. I wouldn’t assume that anyone who isn’t able to immigrate to a new country and begin teaching other new immigrants the language is lazy, likely to settle, or a failure. It’s difficult and like everything worthwhile in life, requires some luck to meet a lot of preparation at the right moment.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    Yes, lots of people let life pass them by. I’m in full agreement with that, but a lot of people do not have the flexibility to do much about their situations. It’s not a lack of agency, it’s a lack of freedom and safety to make changes.

    I understand your point to be this: everyone could have had a good life if they had correctly applied themselves and gone after what they wanted, so people who haven’t meaningfully changed their circumstances and are unhappy with their lives are themselves to blame. My point is this: many people could enjoy their lives more if they took control of their own choices, but not everyone can. Sometimes people just get dealt a shitty hand.

    Have I misunderstood your point?

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago

    And lots of people don't choose to do that. They choose to sit around and be miserable and blame other people for their failures and their lack of effort. Sorry, I don't regard it as empathy to sit around feeling bad for people who messed up their own lives by making bad choices and then refusing to correct them. Everyone makes mistakes, but you can define yourself by them, or learn from them and make an effort.

    I think you are missing my point entirely. I am condemning people who don't make any effort, or who give up. I have nothing against people who say, never leave their home town because they love it. What I am attaching is people who never leave their hometown and are consumed by bitterness towards others because they are so unhappy there and then complain they 'had no choice'. They always had a choice, they just refuse to make it because they are afraid of failure, and/or they refused to take responsibility for themselves and their bad choices.

    What you seem to think is that these people had any agency. People have agency. They just refuse to acknowledge it, and their agency is to sit around being unhappy and day-dreaming rather than making changes to their lives. Nobody forced my friends from my hometown to do drugs, to get in trouble with the police, etc. But if you listen to them... it was never their fault. They HAD to do drugs, the police were MEAN to them for arresting them for drunk driving... that person they crashed into while drunk was an ASSHOLE. And if you don't agree with them then you are a JERK. Oh and by the way can they borrow some money? They will totally pay you back! (If you ever ask for the money back you are SELFISH ASSHOLE).

    Lemmy is full of losers who just think life should hand them things, and in their own heads they are successful geniuses who deserve to be billionaires... No idea why you want to have empathy for such shitty people who think that way.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    If you genuinely believe this (i personally think you're trolling), then you need to take a step back, look at your situation, and recognize how privileged you are.

    A significant amount of problems in the world would be helped by The Privileged recognizing that their life is not representative of the lives of everyone else.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    Nothing is more privileged than expecting other people to improve your life for you. That's actually the philosophy of most wealthy people, that everyone else should do shit for them, while they sit around and jerk themselves off about how great they are.

    The irony of this whole discourse is that basically you think everyone should have the privileges of the wealthy, but you also think the wealthy shouldn't have the privileges they do. And you don't see the contradiction.

    I wasn't wealthy. I worked my ass off. I've also seen people with way more money than me piss their lives away. Most of the most bitter losers I have ever known had trust funds.

    What you don't understand is that the difference isn't money, or privilege. It's attitude. You want to shit on some hardworking aspring immigrant kid as a privileged twat for achieving their goals, and stupidly assume that the drugged party person somehow should have the same success in life, because nobody is responsible for themselves.

    Or maybe worse, you see people who worked their way out of the working-class drudgery into a secure middle-class or upper-class existence as 'traitors'. Yeah, my entire family and friend thought I was a traitor too when I was growing up, because I wanted something better than living in a rural backwater place.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    lol I'm not reading this novel.

    There are millions of people who work shitty factory jobs so we can order our trinkets off Amazon and i care much more about them and their problems than privileged idiots.
    Those people are the ones thay deserve life improvements, not the "grindset" "alpha males" that make the "bootstraps" talking points.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    And there are millions of immigrants working in farm labor under much worse conditions for musch worse pay, do you feel worse for them?

    From their POV the shitty factor job would be a huge upgrade.

    And for those factory works, being an Amazon picker would be a huge upgrade.

    Your issue is that labor exists, it sounds like.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    yeah but cookies and juicy boxes.

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    This might go without saying but to add to this you need to find a place to meet up with people with those hobbies somehow. I had hobbies but wasn't meeting anyone since I just did those hobbies alone. You essentially need to find a "3rd place" and hobbies is one way to achieve that. However you can also do things like volunteer and other things to find that 3rd place.

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  • [–] 41 points 8 months ago* (11 children)

    I'm guessing you don't want to hear "the bar".

    Hobby groups. For board games, hiking, sports, etc.

    You already have a shared interest, makes things easier.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    It's also just that it's easier to talk to people while doing things. Chatting over a task/project/activity is kinda just what people do

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    True! Making friends out of strangers isn't really all that difficult, but it does take some practice in being a normal human being and talking to people you just run into.

    The sense of community in America is really dying out hard as people isolate themselves further in their little islands of homes and apartments and only socially exist online. But it is possible to just chat with some person you meet in the park while going for a walk without being a weirdo, just many people have forgotten how.

    There's a group of guys I meet up with in the warmer months to fish for bass under a bridge. How'd I meet them? I was fishing for trout in a lake and one of em asked if I had any bites. We had a normal chat between fishers, asking about what we're targeting, what kinda bait and lures we're using, comparing successes and failures. I peppered in some info about myself, e.g. mentioned a local noodle bar I liked, mentioned my partner, he did the same, we felt we were similar enough, he invited me to join him and his friends and now we meet up every couple of weeks between April and October.

    You just gotta talk to people and not make it weird.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Yeah, it's a difficult and scary skill to learn, and it begins with the much maligned small talk. Small talk is just easy ways to feel out another person so you might become more comfortable with each other. You just practice it with strangers until you're comfortable doing it in general, and from there you can move to get better at conversing. It really is just a skill people can learn.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Plenty of people here are social. They just are not open to meeting new people, new ideas, let alone people that are different than them.

    They want everyone everything to be the same. That's what is super weird to me, personally. They get super hostile to you once they realize you aren't like them, even if you are polite and kind.

    I've had people try to start physical fights with me the past couple of years over differences of opinion or hobbies. That never happened to me ever in my life until recently. It sucks. The hostility is intense in a way that it never was before.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    This is how I did it. You just have to find the like minded individuals and put in the time to get to know them. I did it through meetup.com some, word of mouth of events from other friends, and just talking a chance and talking to someone who seemed chill from work. Some of my best friends now.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Coed recreational sports team. Lots of them are mostly social with a little bit of sports tossed in. And almost all of them are looking for more players.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    Sell the car. Move into a tiny 3br apartment with roommates in a walkable city.

    Date your roommate's friends. They'll date yours.

    Change roommates occasionally.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    Best answer I've ever had for this was 'find something to support.' It can be anything. Just find a space where you have people trying to do something for the benefit of others with some bare minimum cost of entry. The group coming from people trying to help others will bias it toward nicer people. The cost of entry, even something small like $5/mo or physically present volunteering, deters anonymous trolling.

    The other good option is classes. Doing things to improve your skills in something is generally worthwhile anyway, but it also puts you in contact with other people who share an interest.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Volunteer. Audition for community theater. Get a job. Join a hiking group. Take an adult learning class. Download a dating app. Get yourself out there.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    it's a good way to meet new people. i do many of those things. none of them are good for meeting young single women.

    where i live young single women are entirely focused on hanging out in bars, restaurants, and traveling. They don't do hobbies or volunteering. the women who do that stuff are usually older or married or lesbian.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You have to consider: Do you actually want to meet a young woman who hangs out in bars, restaurants and airports? Spend all night talking about her Gucci bag from Dubai or some shit?

    If those are the options you have, I'd choose the old married lesbian any day.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    No, you simple be alone and be happy pursuing your life rather than trying being with someone who looks down on you for not caring about Gucci bags and doing having a happy and socially positive life that isn't about crass materialism.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I was responding to OP asking about friends and relationships, so not just “young single women.” But I did also say try a dating app. Singles is pretty much all those are for.

    Obviously no one can give you town-specific suggestions but are bars and restaurants the only things women do you where you live? I’d be very surprised if that’s true.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The house next door is empty and up for sale. I happened to see a real estate agent and a couple in the driveway, and she waved to me, in a sort of inviting way, so I went over and helped her pitch the house a little, telling them that the previous people were really great, kept up the house nice, did lots of upgrades, the street is really friendly and meets at the neighborhood pool every morning, etc.

    The wife asked if there were any musicians, and I raised my hand. She asked what instrument, I said guitar, and she pointed to her husband, and said "So does he." I said " Please buy this house!"

    Yesterday, I heard the house is in escrow, and we'll have new neighbors soon. I hope it's the guitarist, I would love a guitar buddy, I literally have NOBODY to play with.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    This. I miss being in a band. Did this in high school and college. We played local clubs and bars. It was fun.

    But as an adult, who can find 3other people willing to play at all, or even commit to a 1 hour get together to practice..... Performing is probably never going to happen again.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I don't even need a whole band. I have a bunch of recording gear, so I'm always laying out a drum track, doing a rhythm guitar track offer that, then the bass line, then I usually go back and for a different rhythm track with the new bass line, then start soloing over that.

    So if I can find a buddy, we can lay down the drum, bass, and rhythm guitar track all at once, then start trading solos over that. Or maybe just acoustic duets. We'll figure it out.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Shared hobbies are your best bet. Either find a way to make your existing hobbies social, or get a new hobby you can do with people. 

    You can also try events at your local bars or meeting people at work, but both of those have serious drawbacks. 

    And if you are looking for people to date, the vast majority of options you have these days are online. You can try hooking up with strangers at a bar or meeting someone while engaging in a social activity, but statistically a tiny percentage of couple meet that way these days. 

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Get a hobby, go to events, find social circles, and drink at the sort of bars you can chat with strangers at.

    I met my wife at a dungeon, but I know that's not to most people's tastes.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Hey, I've also made long term friends from underground raves/sex dungeons. It's a totally valid way to make friends. Like so many other methods, you already have a shared interest, that's a springboard to explore if you're otherwise compatible as buddies.

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  • [+] 21 points 8 months ago (12 children)
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    you don't make friends on dating apps. you find dates.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Women tell men they want to be friends as a way to reject them softly. They don't mean it.

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    No, that's my life experience. No woman from a dating app has ever wanted to be my friend unless she was trying to get in my pants and I wasn't into her.

    You are a woman clearly, you have a lot more social luxury and I bet you 100% all the 'male friends' you met on dating apps are secretly hoping one day you will 'wake up' and date them.

    Men and women can be friends, but not from a dating app where the intention is attraction and sex. I have lots of female friends but I am not attracted to them.

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    So manipulate people I meet on dating apps to date their hotter friends?

    Now you're just arguing for dishonestly and manipulation. Nice. So upstanding.

    I'm not isolated from society. I just don't use people on dating apps or treat them like social commodities. The fact you think in such dicthomies is alarming. You're either socially isolated, or you need to use people.

    Where I stand I have honest and healthy relationships. I don't go around trying to acquire people like Pokemon and I certainly don't use dating apps for a social life.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    OP did say “get into relationships.”

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (15 children)

    For me, it was always through work. Meeting co-workers after work, and meeting other people that way.

    You do need to make an effort, though, instead of excuses.

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    Yep. I'm exhausted after work, but when I spend some time after work biking I find I'm less exhausted after work once I've gotten used to it. Then add social events and yeah, I might need a day of rest regularly, but I also need to get out and do stuff regularly.

    Also, learning to flirt is hard and vital. You will make an ass of yourself. Eventually though you get good at it. I'm an awkward dweeb with crap social skills, and yet after learning to flirt and years practicing I've managed to find myself making out with strangers on nights out every once in a while. The vital addendum is learning to chat with strangers and have a good time without it going further. Once again, awkward weirdo, but I've had so many lovely evenings out chatting with people I may or may not see again. It's fun and results in a good reputation.

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    I think starting flirting not expecting anything but practice is also valuable. I mostly flirt catch and release these days, and I think it's best to understand that the goal is to learn to have fun with it. Even when married you should be flirtatious with your spouse, so learn to love it.

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    Idk I find intentionality valuable in flirting, it's just that my intent is to flirt and if it goes from there well then that's fun. A sly smile with the compliment, then paying attention to see the tone of her response… it's a game and it's in some ways unique compared to telling a stranger I like their outfit (which I also do non flirtatiously).

    "What can I say to make them like me" is the far more juvenile framing. It's one I've seen especially beginners fall into. Instead framing flirtation as a (metaphorical) playful whisper of interest. It should be like a scent you wear: light, discretionarily used, inviting, and yourself. You're not casting a spell to make them like you, you're simply inviting them to come and see what could happen if they're interested.

    But all that is more the intermediate level. The only real secret is that people like spending time with people with whom they enjoy the time they spend with.

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    Oh absolutely, and I (also neurodivergent, but adhd and cptsd) totally get that, I just think it's valuable to be clear what the intermediate and advanced skill levels look like. Because I should be clear here: beginner skill level flirting as you described earlier can do the job when someone is already interested, but much like with many skills, if you're at the beginner level, sometimes you're going to see someone doing it at a higher level than you and think that they've got this magic skill that makes the results happen. In reality getting better at flirting is 90%+ getting better at regular social skills.

    And yeah most people can learn that interplay in some capacity. I've known people who can only do it with their fellow neurodivergent people, or their fellow neurotypicals, or both. But you learn it by hanging out in social situations and trying to have a good time chatting with people. You start to learn how to vibe off people and how to tell you'll be able to. It makes stuff like parties actually fun too. But you also are gonna fuck up, and you ask yourself what you did wrong ("why did it stop being fun to talk to me" is a great question) and you start to get better at not fucking up with practice. Even extroverted neurotypicals go through this, though it's typically younger, faster, and easier for them. And yeah from there higher skill level flirting is just flourishes and added bits.

    It's hard for those of us who actually want to help because the truth is, it's long, difficult, and doesn't make you feel cool. There's no secret manual, no special magic tricks, no guarantees even. It isn't a strategy game or an rpg, it's a roguelite where metaadvancement needs to complement what you rolled (the parts of your appearance and personality you like) and your natural playstyle because you're trying to get people to like the version of yourself you're working to become. What's the ideal build? Becoming the best version of yourself, learning how you best naturally socially interact, and building around it. You find hairstyles that show off your personality and your face, similar for clothes, interests, and topics of conversation. But you also gotta learn to play the game well.

    I think negging is a prime example of the distortion that a lot of these pua/redpill/etc influencer types do. Playful teasing is a medium risk medium reward move. You might come off as fun, irreverent, and playful (in which case you need to be prepared for a riparte), but you might hit a sore spot and if you're not able to do it well you will fuck it up. But these types took that and twisted it into a version meant to make the recipient feel insecure and vulnerable while trying to feel like the innocuous version. Each subsequent iteration of that crowd took ot further until you get the modern guys saying that being an overtly abusive asshole and raging misogynist is how you get girls. And to a man who is increasingly bitter towards women over not dating him it feels right.

    There's also a lot to be said for these guys feeling insecure at the power they perceive people they're attracted to having over them and lashing out against it (and it's not just men who do that). But yeah as you say it's gone disastrously for society.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I agree on this. I just commented on my AvPD, which makes social contacts ... complicated (just look in my comment history).

    I haven''t been without a partner since i was 18. Im 46 now, and newly out of a relationship (but we had a good run). I never actually tried to flirt with anyone. The only thing i really did is to listen well, make appropriate compliments and give my input. I don't even look good, I've been a fat fuck since childhood and a nerd on top. I've even had to turn down advances a few times.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Or you could live in a less urban area, specifically one where transplants are less common than people who grew up less than 30 min away. People who never left their home town, whose friend group also never left, still have all their friends from school and don’t need or want more. They don’t really want to be your friend even if you do click. You can meet them out dozens of times and have running jokes when you see each other, but they’ll never go out of their way to make or keep plans.

    Everyone who moves to my current area says basically the same thing about how difficult it is to make friends here. People much more commonly get their friends hired with them than make friends with new people who get hired, so even that hasn’t been a super fruitful endeavor. Only people I’ve managed to make lasting friends with have also been from elsewhere and struggled.

    That’s not to say people aren’t nice and welcoming, they are, they just aren’t welcoming into their social circles.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I've been told the same thing from my aunt, which moved into the countryside with her newlywed husband long ago. She only got to get friends after her firstborn got into school - the 8 years until that time were very isolating, even with work contacts.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Yep. my city is like this. it is very dense and urban... but incredibly insular.

    the only way to really connect with people is if they don't have a tight knit friend group. the only friendships I've made that have lasted are with people like that... the people who have the knit groups fro years ago just don't want to bother with anyone new or outside the group. i don't understand it at all, like people will only socialize with people they went to college with... 5, 10, 20 years later and if you didn't go to their college they don't want to be your friend because you can't sit around and reminisces about getting drunk together 10 years ago.

    in my city people are very insular about school, career, company etc. It's hard to find people who don't care about that stuff and are more interested in you here and now. Not what you did in the past.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Always gonna plug disc sports when threads like this pop up. Ultimate Frisbee is fun and if you live in even a minor city there's usually a rec league to join. Has the best culture of any sport IMO, full of the chilliest most accepting people who are always looking for more people to join and with rec leagues people will sometimes go out to the bar after to hang out.

    Disc golf is also great for meeting people if you're not as into cardio. Can join tournaments and they'll usually pair you up with people. Or just go solo to the course and occasionally someone else will offer to let you join their round or if you're waiting with another solo at a hole you can offer to let them join you.

    Both are also very cheap activities, Frisbee you just need cleats and to pay ~$50 for a rec league season. Disc golf is basically free once you get discs.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    yeah but not everyone likes sports or the cultures around them.

    when i was younger i did some frisbee but i wasn't down with the alcoholism associated with it. i liked drinking, but i didn't want to go out to a bar and get shitfaced after every event.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You don't need to get shitfaced at a bar. 1 drink per hour is under the legal limit for driving. I find it's enough to loosen up and if you politely decline further drinks nobody will bother you. And if they're pushy order a sprite with a twist on the rocks. So it looks like you're drinking alcohol but really you're staying sober

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Yeah, you do. If you want to be part of the group. Otherwise you are 'weird' and they don't like you.

    That's why I left. I was sick of being told I was 'weird' for not being a low grade alcoholic. Or the 'you are no fun' 'why are you so uptight' etc.

    You act like all people are reasonable and respectful and wonderful. They often aren't. A lot of people cannot respect someone who doesn't drink, or who doesn't get drunk. I drink, but I don't get drunk. People who like to get drunk don't like people who like being sober, because they are different than them and they see that as a threat.

    It doesn't even have to be about alcohol. Another reason I hated these groups is the gossip and drama. I don't like talking shit about other people behind their back, and that is happened almost every time after a game or practice. Other people think that is fun and it's the point of socializing for them to gossip and cause drama.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    This is my problem with meeting people, only I don't like to drink (or smoke for that matter). The smell drives me insane so I don't even like being around people who do it unless I'm getting paid for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Yeah it makes it difficult. I used to smoke and honestly it was much easier to meet people that way. Also binge drinking. Everyone is your friend when you have had 12 drinks in a single night.

    It's much easier to socialize when you engage in negative behaviors.

    This is my problem with meeting people, only I don’t like to drink (or smoke for that matter). The smell drives me insane so I don’t even like being around people who do it unless I’m getting paid for it.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Fuck if I know. I volunteer. I joined a community choir. I am mildly social at the coffee shop. There's a local bar/restaurant with picnic table seating and the culture is you can talk with anyone you are seated by as long as you're civil. People still go to churches. There's PTAs and stuff for your kids. Just a few ideas.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Imagine finding the perfect partner, getting married, moving in together etc.

    Now that you're married and that's all settled, where do the two of you go for fun? Where do the two of you go to get out of the house?

    Go there.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I’ve been wondering that too. There are always co-workers but none I really connect to. Lots of parents but now that kids are grown there’s nothing in common.

    Now I’ve really gotten into cooking but my kids are in college and I have no one to cook for. I have a smoker that can ditn30+ pounds of meat or 6 racks of ribs. Who’s hungry?

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    meetups, conventions, conferences, concerts, bars, hobbies, etc. It might be easier for me because I live in a very populous region, but I’ve found it pretty easy to meet people. 90%+ of those people don’t end up becoming long term friends, but that’s just how it is.

    Also, the easiest way to start a conversation is to ask a question. “Hey what’s that?” “What are you doing?” It takes time to get a good feel for whether or not someone is actually looking for a conversation based on their response, but it is a skill anyone can learn and there’s generally no harm in short chats with strangers in public spaces.

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