The new entry-level PC will be a cloud-based thin client subsidized by collecting every bit of data it can about you directly on a Microslop server where you will have zero user choice.
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Along with anything else costing less than $500.
I hope that they just fail in their half-assed attempts and the prices fall again.
Priced a full build yesterday. A 9800X3D and 9700XT build with 2TB storage, 32GB RAM, Noctua Cooler, basic mid case, and 750 PSU is about $2400 before tax and shipping.
I predict this research firm will not exist by 2030
New low end laptops have always sucked. I hope more people become open to used and refurbished devices. A 3 year old used business machine kicks the shit out of a new similarly priced POS. New low end laptops are born e waste.
Absolutely this! I just lucked out on a secondhand Thinkpad E14 for $400. It’s basically the same as my X1 except I can add more ram if I want. My husband gave me the side eye when I grabbed it but I just said it’s only going to get worse, having a spare laptop is imperative. Which reminds me, I need to get some ram for it while I can…
At this point, I'm starting to go full luddite and hope people just give up on PC/console gaming altogether and go back to games that require you to actually be in the same room as other people. I just don't see any future where everything electronic doesn't just enshittify further and further.
Hi, we (personally)'re various types of queer, and plural, and otherwise don't really have local """"""real-life"""""" community. The internet and such is crucial to our continued existence and we know literally nobody offline.
Don't throw out computers just because "oh Real Life is More Real".
(yes, you didn't technically say "throw out computers in general" but it feels like you're implying it with the "throw out games in general".)
Also singleplayer games exist and those are good too.
Games are not purely a means to be social to other people in the same room with you. They're still good for that! But societally we've moved way beyond that being the only reason.
(English could really use an inclusive and exclusive we, heh)
Games are actually among the LEAST enshittified regions of tech these days. And that's with all the shit Ubisoft and their ilk are pulling. Games are like the one category of proprietary software where you can update relatively safely and expect to not be screwed over. Most of the time.
-- Frost
(Okay, what the hell did Lemmy do to my quotes?? I used straight quotes for a reason! It just went and decided to guess opening vs. closing ones and totally scrambled them. If I want open/close quotes I'll type open/close quotes.)
This is the part people keep forgetting, or not caring about because they hate us
Might be time to make more browser games again. Doesn't have to be complex. Ohhh... If you get some old flash games, those might even run fairly well on a pi zero. And when they ban non ID verified internet we can trade games on SD cards.
I'm game for that :3
Holding on to stuff longer isn't necessarily a bad thing as the pc market was in a very wasteful state before all this. Still sucks though they way things have become :(
That's true, but I'm also dreading the day my ram breaks down or I need more storage.
It's not actually the "older hardware" that's responsible for security vulnerabilities, it's Microsoft chosing to end support for Windows 10.
That "older" hardware capable of running Windows 10 is more than capable of running any Linux distro which will keep on getting security updates for a long while (and you can just upgrade it again if that stops as Linux is nowhere as hardware demanding as Windows, especially the latest, Electron + AI, Windows).
For people who just use their PC for Office software, e-mail and browsing - who are the ones getting entry level PCs - hardware has been more than powerfull enough for 2 decades, and it's only Windows bloatware having grown to use the available computing power that has forced people to upgrade the hardware.
Also distros aren't the final step of availability.
There are forks like elks linux runnable with 256Kb RAM.
Oh, yeah.
I'm just thinking the more well known stuff with the "fancier" desktops and shipped with applications like LibreOffice and Firefox which are probably closer to familiar and don't look like a step back for Windows and Mac users.
If you really want to extend the life of your hardware to the max, well, whilst Linux has discontinued support for 486 and Pentium processors last year, any hardware newer than that (so, around 30 years or less) will still run the latest kernel and as you mentioned there are distros targeting machines with very little RAM and HDD space.
People believe it, I couldn't even convince my own father. He rather spend 600 bucks for a new laptop, for no reason.
Mac mini starts at $499 and has gone on sale for $479.
It’s not really for gaming, but for $500, neither is the Windows box. And the laptop is a lie, even with those bezels.
But let’s be real, you can get a decent PC for way less than $500! It won’t compete with the Mac, but it may yet be better for light gaming.
Light gaming, like Pong, or Breakout. Time to rediscover the classics!
I was restricted to my MacBook Air when I was in hospital, and that has the same specs as a 500USD Mac mini (m4, 16GB RAM). It plays 3D stuff like Valheim at 60FPS! The only issue is the more limited library compared to my Linux and Windows machines.
For £500 you are doing a lot more than pong. I am kinda curious how far back you have to go at different price points to play the majority of games from that era. Pretty sure £500 is still doing a lot of games 10+ years old.
Retro gaming on a Pi comes in at £50 or so, depends on which one you get though as more RAM does cost more. Downside here is ARM might limit your options a bit for some things not quite so old but it probably would otherwise be powerful enough for. Box86 + wine exists but that looks too much like 2010 Linux gaming that I would rather leave in the past. Some open source games could be compiled on it too.
Pi Zero could run a few games too and that is like £15. But your choices are going to be very limited for anything beyond retro gaming. CDDA should compile and technically run, slowly. Got a pinephone which has similar specs and can do it but compiling takes about an hour and I found out the game had loading screens I wasn't even aware of before trying to run it on specs like that.
This is around $250 (and that's the version for Europe, shipped from Spain and the price includes VAT).
Six months ago it was just $150, so the current RAM and SSD prices seem to be fully included in the device price.
I got one to replace an aging Windows 8 PC of a family member who only does web-browsing and e-mail and put Linux on it, and have another one at home working as a TV Box + Home server.
With Linux that's more than enough for browsing, e-mail and even office apps. Not a machine for gamers, but then again gamers aren't buying "entry level PCs".
AMD based mini-pcs with something like 680M or 780M are around 500. But they are out of stock lately.
"You'll never own another computer cheaper than $500"
Chinese tech firms produce high end computers for less than $500
"SANCTION! TARIFF! EMBARGO!"
Now do cars, lol
You will never own an EV for under $80k
The prices for tech on Taobao in China and in the US are nearly identical for the vast majority of tech items. So much is excluded from the tariffs that it's silly they even exist on paper. There are indeed some newer items only available there, but they're rarely on the affordable end of pricing.
Laptops and computer hardware in particular surprise me. I was hoping to get a new Huawei or Xiaomi laptop the last time I was in China since I got my parents a Huawei I've been jealous of in the US several years before they were banned. Absolutely nothing I could find on Taobao or in store was comparable value even to computers from Dell/HP/Lenovo.
Got myself a GTX 1660 for 460$ 5 months ago and I thought I paid too much for it, but now I'm glad I bought it Edit: GTX 1660 laptop
Well you probably overpaid slightly, and refurbished are about half the price, but prices are only going up so the best time to buy anything is going to always be months ago.
It’s probably all to plan, for controlling the masses. Subvert and destroy education. Control media.
Also. Remove unmonitored access to information (phones only, outside of work). Especially those Linux fuckers who build their own, can’t have that spreading.
Access to the information superhighway will be relegated to only those who can afford a yacht. /s
Full circle back to the first days of the internet that only universities and the rich could use. Also high storage prices again when we've had it dirt cheap for decades.
Nothing new.
the majority of people access the internet on their phones or smart devices. almost exclusively.
desktop computer internet is going the way of the doh doh in terms of traffic. it's for nerds.
Crazy isn't it!
I stand by, phones are for consuming, computers are for creation. Of course humans thirst for consuming is unending, like an insatiable Godzilla.
Yeah well i'm a social pariah for not being a phone person. I'm over here like it's 2002 consuming most of my internet on a desktop, not even a laptop! I spend maybe 15m a day on my phone.
Does anyone know how difficult it is to swap keyboards on ThinkPads? I wanna get one used but the problem is, most of them don't have US keyboards since I live in Japan.
Usually trivial to swap a keyboard, just gotta find the japan Lenovo FRU for the keyboard and order it. Sometimes you gotta buy the upper plastic too if the shape is different. If you have a model in mind I can find you the FRU and guide if you want.
My old work place used to buy refurbushed ThinkPads, and they slid rather easily by sliding a switch. I have one of the more recent models (also refurbished) at home as well, I'll try to see if it's still the same.
That would be super helpful. I was under the impression that the recent ones aren't swappable, it would be great if I could replace my surface with an actual laptop soon.
So, I've tried it with my T14 Gen1 (which, as I just found out is already 6 years old... Yeowza), and honestly... It's pretty hard to get the keyboard out of that one already.
It's nothing like I remember with older models, where you can take off the keyboard out by itself and slot a new one in, but now you need to pry off the mouse buttons of the trackpad, loosen screws under it and pry the keyboard forward to be able to get it out. The mouse buttons are also attached to it, which makes even more anxiety-inducing to get it out.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they removed the function overall in the most recent models, seeing as how it is with this model already.
I can't speak to the ease of the swap, but I do know lenovo is super great for letting you order parts.
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/parts-lookup
I had to swap out the cooling on one of our newer legions at work and their parts game is on point.
I haven't tried it myself, but at least iFixit has a bunch of guides: https://www.ifixit.com/Search?query=thinkpad+keyboard&doctype=guide
I did the same for realtively new Thinkpad(p14s gen 5, I think). Got original US keyboard from Aliexpress (lucky). It was pretty easy just a couple ofnscreews and had to be careful with folding the flex pcb/cable.
If ThinkPad, easy. If IdeaPad, watch out, might not be viable.
It's amazing how good Lenovo is about ThinkPad, and how crap they are about IdeaPad.
Do they even still exist?
Sure, but they tend to be low-end mini PCs with older CPUs, very weak iGPUs, a tiny SSD and something along the line of 8 GB RAM.
Here’s an 8-core N305 mini PC w/ 16GB DDR5 and a 512GB SSD for $400.
https://www.amazon.com/i3-N305-Desktop-Computers-Windows-Display/dp/B0DGGGQPH1
Similar build with the N305 swapped for a Ryzen 3500U available at the same price as well. Perfectly serviceable and capable of light gaming.
And sometimes even 10/100 ethernet cards assuming they still have an ethernet port.
I can't imagine how many 1/10ths of a penny Dell was saving on those POS.
And still blazingly fast for web-browsing, e-mail and office applications, as long as you don't put Windows 11 in it.
The ones I've seen have "i5 processor", but hide the generation. Those are generally quite old, and were a bad deal back then.
Checking second hand for my SO.
Yes but it's likely going to be a 5600g and no dedicated GPU at that price point.
edit: 5600g + cooler, Asus a520, 16gb 3200 ddr4, 1tb m.2, 500w psu and case for £400 over here which isn't far off the target. Entry level at best but it's all upgradable which is the point.
Shits gonna suck when even this option dissapears :(
besides discount pcs, you either have older desktop cpus being sold in a small package, or laptop apu mini pcs at sub 500.
phoenix/hawk point based mini pcs (8 core mobile zen 4 with 12CU rdna3, maybe around 1050ti performance) would be around the 500$ point
Can you even get one now?


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