The creator of Nearby Glasses made the app after reading 404 Media's coverage of how people are using Meta's Ray-Bans smartglasses to film people without their knowledge or consent. “I consider it to be a tiny part of resistance against surveillance tech.”

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[–] 158 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Wasnt there a ton of outrage and such incl people not being allowed on planes, back when google glass was released?

Why is it all OK now?

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  • [–] 99 points 8 months ago

    Same reason our governments suck ass. Something unpopular tries to get passed again, and again, and again, and again, and eventually people get desensitized and worn out from trying to fight against it. That or it hits on the right time when people are distracted by something else bigger or more important.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Years of privacy violations going deeper and deeper under pretend of "progress" and "pRoTeCt the cHiLdReN". I am glad that people started rebelling against Flock, and some removed their Amazon cameras following the Superbowl's ads, but that's not even close to how much we should be mad at these mass surveillance actors.

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  • [–] 64 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I remember Google Glass itself receiving a ton of outrage actually: People hated it and anyone wearing one was made fun of ("glassholes" was a popular insult at the time).

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I’ll still use it for the meta garbage, but I think the reason is that the glasses are just inconspicuous enough for most normies to not notice they are being recorded. Till the moron wearing them starts staring off into space while reading tweets at least.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There's a window of attention for public discourse and there's fatigue. We, as a group, can only be upset about so much. It's a tried tactic to just try to distract us with some crazy shit, like Trump did with the alien files. If one crazy thing comes up in the news, other stuff will drop from our radar. And that's why people try shit again and again and again. Always in the hope that this time people are distracted by other stuff or are finally worn down enough.

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  • [–] 49 points 8 months ago

    Many years of indoctrination. When Google glass was introduced, it was just 'a neat idea'. Now it's a product, and therefore it's clearly more trustworthy because someone is profiting from it. (/s)

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It still isn't OK.

    It is just that the technology became so small, you can't differentiate with regular sunglasses anymore.

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  • [–] 284 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Admittedly, this is cyberpunk as fuck. 

    Should not be needed… but it’s a fucking cool solution. 

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Next step is for someone makes a version that hijacks the Bluetooth headphones and makes them play a loud shrill noise that makes the glasses too uncomfortable to wear in your pressence.

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  • [–] 106 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (13 children)

    Paywalled article. Here's the link to the app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.pocketpc.nearbyglasses

    Edit: it's licensed under a license I never heard of. I'm curious, I don't understand why it was needed.

    "Why draft new licenses? Until now, there has been no standardization of this kind of source code license, even though it has become increasingly common. This has resulted in confusing and overlapping licenses, which need to be analyzed one at a time. Lack of standardization has used up the time and resources of many in the software industry, as well as their lawyers. The objective of the PolyForm Project is standardization and reduction of costs for developers and users."

    Seems like that exact XKCD about standards.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    That license looks like Creative Commons Non-Comercial, which is not an open source license.

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  • [–] 60 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    This is an unpopular opinion, but using licenses to actively prevent commercial exploitation of voluntary communal labor is not a bad thing. I would even argue that allowing commercial exploitation of free, communally-maintained software is downright unethical. I don’t tolerate this pejorative “it’s not open source unless the rich and powerful can exploit it” bullshit.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Thank you, I see this so often and it always irks me.
    "oh but you're limiting your reach with this license because companies won't want to us— boo fucking hoo, maybe not everything is about market-share and having a morbillion downloads.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If you dont want corpos to exploit it, you go with GPL. Then they are forced to share back.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I like AGPL in theory, but in practice it never works like that. They are protected by a smoke screen — you don’t know if they are using something, how they are using it, or what they’ve built on it — and even if something did leak about their usage they are protected by money — the vast majority of FOSS projects won’t have the resources to pursue any kind of legal enforcement or reasonable remedy. In practice, they will use and build on A/GPL software while contributing nothing back in blatant violation of the spirit and intent of the license, because who is going to find out or enforce it?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I know, and yet the code is open source. Confusing.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    No, the code is available, which is not the same as open source.

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  • [–] 94 points 8 months ago (42 children)

    You know what sucks?

    In that AR glasses, in theory, are such an interesting technology with lots of potential, and certainly a piece of tech I would love to have and work with and on. Not to secretly record people, but to, well.. augment my field of view with whatever digital tools or displays I would like. It would be so useful

    It's honestly kinda saddening to me that it most likely will get completely ruined by our current toxic relationship to technology. A step towards our ever increasing cyberdystopia, and not towards enchanting our limited lives

    Obviously either way I don't trust Meta, but an open-hardware device running a FOSS AR system? It would be nice..

    I still hold out hope that this somehow could be resolved, and I would love to contribute to open software for these devices. Maybe one day soon-ish I will. My expertise should be well applicable, after all

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  • [–] 47 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    It would be incredibly useful in construction. Having a digital overlay telling you exactly where to put up the framing for a separating wall, or an overlay showing the correct distance between screws, or where wires and pipes are inside a wall? There are so incredibly many awesome possible uses for AR in construction.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I always wanted to build an AR app for inside data centers. Imagine looking at a server and being able to open a terminal or desktop that you can immediately interact with on the floor. or have it display resource information like hardware utilization, temps, network throughput and configuration, etc.

    it would make a difficult job just bit more manageable.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I really like the special tagged tape that could bring up AR tags and details about it. Organization and directions are so more useful.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Pretty sure that already exists.

    But it is mainly used for solving hardware problems where a technician can film whatever they are working on with their phone, and a remote technician can "draw" in AR on the image in real time to point towards the things that need manual interventions.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm in the AEC industry. Almost any implementation of on site augmentation sucks ass most especially because the tech nerds making them have a really hard time truly understanding the needs OF tradespeople and installers.

    Almost all of them are top down implementations meant to assess tooling and field quality rather than actually acting as an overlay aid in construction (which, like, 90% of tradespeople worth their salt don't actually need FYI).

    Also, I've found, most of these tech nerds making this shit don't know how to actually put a building together and are constantly flummoxed by the methodology.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I've worked in construction, and now work as a CAD specialist, so I know your pain, but the problem with "how to actually put a building together" is a very wide issue, also present with engineers and architects.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's already used in construction as a documentation device. Photos are big as a documentation tool and some inspectors already use wearable cameras as a tool.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    They are used for that kind of applications already. You put one of those on, and some technician remotely guides you in doing some maintenance while looking through your eyes. They can mark things in your fov, show you diagrams, whatever. Pretty neat actually.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Unneeded. We already have a tool for that it's called blueprints, they haven't failed in over 3000 years.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Blueprints don't fail, people really really often do though. People measure wrong, or build on the wrong side of the line they've drawn. It's not a question about "Is it essential", it's a question about "Will it make it easier, faster and less errorprone".

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (8 children)

    Drop the cameras and microphones and replace them with a couple accelerometers and gyros. Paired with your phone's GPS tracking, the glasses can tell where you're looking without actually seeing anything. You can get handy features like a floating 'turn here' sign over your exit while driving with GPS navigation without recording anyone or anything at any time. Better battery life, too.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Tbh I don't even mind cameras that much if they were entirely controlled by the individuals themselves. I have a much bigger issue with it when you're streaming my facial recognition data to Evil Megacorp 2™ servers that also feed directly to the "Not Spying.. Again" agency, though.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    What about a camera that is covered by a cap that can only be lifted if they press the mechanical button on the side of the glasses?

    You could still film things like posters to get more information about the event, while not filming everyone all the time.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I don't think that would work particularly well with AR: People get sick if movement isn't synced up properly, not having any sort of cameras or sensors at all would exacerbate that problem.

    If you are talking about a simple HUD, then that might be a lot more viable, but for AR and the tech we currently have, some sort of camera or sensor array is kind of a requirement practically speaking.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    See, I don't really want full AR. I want a HUD, a very small number of rudimentary AR features, like floating windows for text documents or videos, physical buttons on the arms of the glasses, small drivers by the ears for audio, and battery life that will last most of the day. I already have to wear glasses and if I'm paying more for extra features I want ones that will last the whole time I might want them, not just the six or so hours a day that the current offerings have.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago*

    Except that one cool thing with AR is being able to have it tell what you're looking at is. Not just positioning things in space. A lot of cool shit that could be done with AR, like real time text translation, object identification, etc needs some kind of camera, even if it just sees IR light. Lotta cool shit needs a microphone, too.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Using an AR display on those glasses with frames that thick is such a horrible idea. Google was on the right track with the HUD displayed on a frame-less prism that doesn't block half your vision.

    Last thing I'd want is to be in the middle of something with my hands full and the display bugs out, blocking the one eye, making me screw something up.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Last thing I’d want is to be in the middle of something with my hands full and the display bugs out, blocking the one eye, making me screw something up.

    Maybe don't cause your own problems.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, that was sorta the point of the comment...

    I don't like them and therefore, I won't be using them, ever. I'd get a less obstructing headset instead. And, I wouldn't get a headset just to play around with it, I'd actually want to use it and try to get to it help me doing things.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    It's only a matter of time before someone is arrested on suspicion of voyerism and there is evidence of him staring at some girl's boobs.

    Every guy does this, but "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. Ya get a sense of it and then you look away!"

    -Jerry Seinfeld.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    The truth is that we already are living in the surveillance state and people are just going to have to "get over" being recorded in public by anyone that walks by.

    I don't like it either. But that's the reality we're entering into, where privacy isn't a right but a privilege and that privilege does not exist save for some very select (if any at this point) places like your home ... Maybe.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    No, people do not have to get over that. People need to stand up for their rights. Being in a public space isn't justification to have your movements recorded and logged 24/7. Stop being the fucking knee you coward.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What does this even mean? You gonna punch every other person you see?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    You don't need to actively punch everyone you see. Just punch the Nazis. For the privacy part, what one could reasonably do once the tech becomes affordable is to eg.: wear passive EMP devices or something similar that disable cameras near you (at some point, the tech has to fit in a space too small for EMP shielding).

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    I'm just being realistic about the future. You already are carrying around a machine that's listening and watching. You're walking into and out of stores where you're on camera. Hell you're driving past however many cameras in your car or walking past them on the street, every business, every office, every space has cameras now.

    Thus, I think eventually more and more augmented reality devices will be seen because people will come to appreciate their uses outside of just being recording devices once that concern is overcome. In other words, wearing AR glasses won't get you default labeled as some perverted weirdo.

    You don't need to bend the knee but we're past the point where there should be any expectation of privacy in public spaces. I'm not saying I like it, I'm saying I expect our society to continue to move towards a surveillance model where privacy simply cannot be expected in any public space.

    Do I think it's dystopian and bad, yes, yes I do. I also think we need strong privacy protections for our private domiciles. That doesn't mean my opinion is aligned with what actually is going to happen in our world.

    I don't want it but it's what is going to happen and has been happening.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    While I agree that AR glasses will become widespread, there's still time to advocate for and implement privacy focused regulations. Especially early on as people are upset about the technology

    While not perfect solutions, enforcing stuff such as recording LEDs and such are steps in the right direction

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    AR glasses will become widespread

    I was picking up my new prescription glasses this week at a large mall. They had Ray Ban and Oakley Meta glasses and the clerk said they have not sold a single pair.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    "Here's a list of reasons why all hope is lost and you too should bend the knee."

    That's all I read. C.O.W.A.R.D.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    You're a silly person, aren't ya.

    Yeah fuck me for acknowledging AR glasses or other AR tech could be very useful but it's being limited by our privacy concerns that are basically theater at this point.

    Truly I am so cowardly Mr big internet man.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If you want to bend and spread, you do you. You don't have to tell us to "get over" it and share your fetish. That's a not-nice thing to do.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    I'm just being realistic about the future. You already are carrying around a machine that's listening and watching. You're walking into and out of stores where you're on camera. Hell you're driving past however many cameras in your car or walking past them on the street, every business, every office, every space has cameras now.

    Thus, I think eventually more and more augmented reality devices will be seen because people will come to appreciate their uses outside of just being recording devices once that concern is overcome. In other words, wearing AR glasses won't get you default labeled as some perverted weirdo.

    You don't need to bend over and spread but we're past the point where there should be any expectation of privacy in public spaces. I'm not saying I like it, I'm saying I expect our society to continue to move towards a surveillance model where privacy simply cannot be expected in any public space.

    Do I think it's dystopian and bad, yes, yes I do. I also think we need strong privacy protections for our private domiciles. That doesn't mean my opinion is aligned with what actually is going to happen in our world.

    I don't want it but it's what is going to happen and has been happening.

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  • [–] 48 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Open season on meta wearers when?

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    meta is all about surveillance cant expect anything less

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago* (8 children)

    Now you need a powerful laser pointer to ruin the glasses camera. Careful not to blind the wearer.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Apparently the lidar in some cars can damage cameras and are safe for eyes.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    why did mods remove this

    how is mentioning that cars are dangerous a "call for violence"

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    Perfect response. Record someone without consent, it should be the last time those glasses are wearable.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Breaking someone's legs requires excessive force, so no, you would not be within your rights to break someone's legs for punching you in the face. That would absolutely be an escalation of force and not legally defendable.

    In order to shoot someone in self defense, you have to prove that you feared for your life. Its not a get out of jail free card.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    I just re-watched Ghost in the Shell SAC Laughing Man last night, and wouldn't mind seeing these things get hacked with the Laughing Man logo replacing any face it was looking at, re-writing signs, etc.

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    I wonder if you could run it on a dedicated piece of gear like FlockYou...

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    It sucks that it seems like as time goes on the best thing my phone will be good for is alerting me to other nearby tech to avoid.

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